Re: Function w32_abort not defined

2006-01-07 Thread Eli Zaretskii
 From: Richard M. Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org
 Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 23:23:20 -0500
 
   but why have you taken your code out of the conditional?
  
  Because it didn't work inside the conditional in GDB 6.3, 6.4, and a
  recent snapshot of the GDB CVS.
 
 GDB 6.2 also exhibits this problem.  GDB 6.1 works okay.
 
 Could you please send a GDB bug report?

I will, once I debug this enough for me to understand what is going
on.  I get weird error messages, which are different in different
builds of the same GDB version, and sometimes no message at all.  I
need to figure out what the heck is happening.


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Re: State button in Customize is not a button

2006-01-07 Thread Bill Wohler
Drew Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 The State button in Customize is not a button but a pulldown list
 (menu).

Your observation applies to the Value Menu as well. Sounds like
changing the text of the State menu from State to State Menu would be
a good choice as long as the widget still looks like a button.

 In general, however, pulldown menus are not a good UI idea.

Disagree in general. They are fine in menu bars and context menus.

 Because it is too easy to not notice that they are menus (i.e
 represent choices).

I agree. The menus should not look like buttons. I am at a loss of how
to make a standalone menu though as menus are usually associated with
menu bars. And these are menus, not comboboxes, since they perform
actions, not just represent choices.

Now that I think of it, the Value Menu is not a menu, but a combobox.
Oy, we probably should postpone creating different widgets for menus
and comboboxes until after the release.

 It is a bad idea for the closed state of a menu to
 represent one of the possible menu choices.

True, but you'd use a combobox widget in this case and it doesn't
apply to the State menu anyway.

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Re: :link is ignored in defface - contradicts Elisp manual

2006-01-07 Thread Richard M. Stallman
BTW, it seems that Show Value and Show Face show more than the value/face.
IOW, someone might not guess that it is by clicking Show Value that he will
see the other stuff.

I don't think that is a problem.  It is too much to ask
that menu items be precise explanations of what they do.
All they can be is overall summaries.


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Re: State button in Customize is not a button

2006-01-07 Thread Richard M. Stallman
The State button in Customize is not a button but a pulldown list
(menu). That is, it opens a menu; it does not effect an action. It
should not look like the other buttons. A pulldown menu label
(button) often has a small triangle next to the text, to indicate
that it is a pulldown menu.

I've seen those small triangles.  They are a pain in the neck to put
the mouse on.  We certainly won't do that.

I do not want to consider changing this now.


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Re: mouse-1-click-follows-link does not affect Customize buttons

2006-01-07 Thread Richard M. Stallman
Click mouse-1 on any button in the Custom* buffer. The button is activated.

Many such buttons (e.g. :link) are really links, and should be shown
as such

Tough luck.


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RE: State button in Customize is not a button

2006-01-07 Thread Drew Adams
The State button in Customize is not a button but a pulldown list
(menu). That is, it opens a menu; it does not effect an action. It
should not look like the other buttons. A pulldown menu label
(button) often has a small triangle next to the text, to indicate
that it is a pulldown menu.

I've seen those small triangles.  They are a pain in the neck to put
the mouse on.  We certainly won't do that.

FWIW, the triangle I'm talking about is part of the pull-down menu label.
There is no need to put the mouse on the triangle itself - just as now, the
mouse works anywhere on the label (State) or the triangle - that is,
anywhere on the button. The triangle (or maybe a V) is just an
indication that the label hides a menu.

At any rate, as I said, pull-down lists are a bad idea altogether, whether
or not they have some extra annotation (e.g. triangle) to indicate that they
are menus.

I do not want to consider changing this now.





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