Re: Ugly W32 display bug - fontified letters chopped on right
If not, is this documented in PROBLEMS or somewhere suitable? The problem and workaround are documented in PROBLEMS. That is good. It looks like we can't do better than that. ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
Re: Ugly W32 display bug - fontified letters chopped on right
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:58:37 +0200 From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eli Zaretskii wrote: Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:53:18 +0200 From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kim F. Storm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe it would help users and save developers some time if the problems specific to common fonts where mentioned too? What problems are those? I mean those specific cases that has been discussed here lately. AFAIR, they were all related to ClearType, right? ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
Re: Ugly W32 display bug - fontified letters chopped on right
The Windows system was using ClearType. Changing that setting fixed the problem. Thanks Eli. Should Emacs users always turn off use of ClearType? If so, can Emacs do it automatically? If not, is this documented in PROBLEMS or somewhere suitable? ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
Re: Ugly W32 display bug - fontified letters chopped on right
Richard Matthew Stallman wrote: The Windows system was using ClearType. Changing that setting fixed the problem. Thanks Eli. Should Emacs users always turn off use of ClearType? If so, can Emacs do it automatically? If not, is this documented in PROBLEMS or somewhere suitable? No, unfortunately there are cases where it should be turned on instead. ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
Re: Ugly W32 display bug - fontified letters chopped on right
On 4/11/07, Richard Matthew Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Should Emacs users always turn off use of ClearType? No. ClearType improves readability, and the problems depend on the font used and perhaps other factors. In my setup, for example, ClearType is quite usable. If so, can Emacs do it automatically? ClearType cannot be deactivated for specific apps, but it can be for specific fonts, so we could fix it in w32_load_system_font. That'd be overkill IMO. If not, is this documented in PROBLEMS or somewhere suitable? The problem and workaround are documented in PROBLEMS. Juanma ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
Re: Ugly W32 display bug - fontified letters chopped on right
Richard == Richard Matthew Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Richard Should Emacs users always turn off use of ClearType? If Richard so, can Emacs do it automatically? Ugh. ClearType is a pretty nice feature, and it'd be very frustrating if using Emacs caused it to be turned off. Richard If not, is this documented in PROBLEMS or somewhere Richard suitable? It is indeed in PROBLEMS, and I think that's the best way to go; what I saw of the problem was not very annoying, so I don't think there's a need to take drastic measures like turning off ClearType. -- ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
Re: Ugly W32 display bug - fontified letters chopped on right
Juanma Barranquero wrote: On 4/11/07, Richard Matthew Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Should Emacs users always turn off use of ClearType? No. ClearType improves readability, and the problems depend on the font used and perhaps other factors. In my setup, for example, ClearType is quite usable. If so, can Emacs do it automatically? ClearType cannot be deactivated for specific apps, but it can be for specific fonts, so we could fix it in w32_load_system_font. That'd be overkill IMO. If not, is this documented in PROBLEMS or somewhere suitable? The problem and workaround are documented in PROBLEMS. Maybe it would help users and save developers some time if the problems specific to common fonts where mentioned too? ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
Re: Ugly W32 display bug - fontified letters chopped on right
Richard Matthew Stallman wrote: The Windows system was using ClearType. Changing that setting fixed the problem. Thanks Eli. Should Emacs users always turn off use of ClearType? These problems are not apparent with most fonts. I can only see them with some fonts if I reduce the size to 9 point, but it probably depends on screen resolution. If so, can Emacs do it automatically? Yes, this was my solution to Cleartype problems some time ago, but it was an unpopular one. We could add a user option. If not, is this documented in PROBLEMS or somewhere suitable? Eli just added it back, it had been previously removed because someone submitted some patches that was supposed to fix the problems. ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
Re: Ugly W32 display bug - fontified letters chopped on right
Juanma Barranquero wrote: ClearType cannot be deactivated for specific apps Yes it can. ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
Re: Ugly W32 display bug - fontified letters chopped on right
On 4/12/07, Jason Rumney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes it can. Cool. How? (I searched Microsoft's docs, but they are less than clear sometimes and I didn't find anything which seemed to imply app-specific settings of ClearType...) Juanma ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
Re: Ugly W32 display bug - fontified letters chopped on right
Juanma Barranquero wrote: On 4/12/07, Jason Rumney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes it can. Cool. How? (I searched Microsoft's docs, but they are less than clear sometimes and I didn't find anything which seemed to imply app-specific settings of ClearType...) You can specify the antialiasing you want when you load fonts, using the lfQuality element of the LOGFONT struct. ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
Re: Ugly W32 display bug - fontified letters chopped on right
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:53:18 +0200 From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, Kim F. Storm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe it would help users and save developers some time if the problems specific to common fonts where mentioned too? What problems are those? ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
Re: Ugly W32 display bug - fontified letters chopped on right
Eli Zaretskii wrote: Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:53:18 +0200 From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kim F. Storm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe it would help users and save developers some time if the problems specific to common fonts where mentioned too? What problems are those? I mean those specific cases that has been discussed here lately. ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
Re: Ugly W32 display bug - fontified letters chopped on right
Eli Zaretskii [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kim F. Storm) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 00:45:09 +0200 If I put this in the file xx.htm: TD class=... TD class the rightmost pixels of the first D are lost as can be seen by the tiny screen-shot at the end of this message. The second D is shown normally. I cannot reproduce this on my machine. Does that Windows box have some non-default display features enabled, like ClearType? If so, could you turn that off and try again? (To turn off ClearType, right-click on the desktop, select Properties, then click the Appearance tab, click Effects, and under Use the following method to smooth edges of screen fonts, make sure that the setting is NOT Clear Type.) I don't have access to that Windows PC right now. I'll check when I get my hands on it again. BTW, it doesn't happen when I try on the other Windows XP system that I have at work. So I guess it is not a big problem - and we can ignore it for the 22 release. Content-Type: image/gif; name=emacs-err.gif Content-Disposition: inline; filename=emacs-err.gif Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Yuck! GIF image... Many Emacs users will be unable to see it, as GIF library is unavailable in many installations. I'm not an expert XP user, so I used what the screen grabber suggested. I didn't want to spend more time on this than necessary :-) -- Kim F. Storm [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cua.dk ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
Re: Ugly W32 display bug - fontified letters chopped on right
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kim F. Storm) writes: I had to edit a simple html file on Windows XP, so I got the latest unpatched Emacs 22 pretest from Lennart's site (thank you). If I put this in the file xx.htm: TD class=... TD class The Windows system was using ClearType. Changing that setting fixed the problem. Thanks Eli. -- Kim F. Storm [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cua.dk ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
Re: Ugly W32 display bug - fontified letters chopped on right
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kim F. Storm) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 00:45:09 +0200 If I put this in the file xx.htm: TD class=... TD class the rightmost pixels of the first D are lost as can be seen by the tiny screen-shot at the end of this message. The second D is shown normally. I cannot reproduce this on my machine. Does that Windows box have some non-default display features enabled, like ClearType? If so, could you turn that off and try again? (To turn off ClearType, right-click on the desktop, select Properties, then click the Appearance tab, click Effects, and under Use the following method to smooth edges of screen fonts, make sure that the setting is NOT Clear Type.) Content-Type: image/gif; name=emacs-err.gif Content-Disposition: inline; filename=emacs-err.gif Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Yuck! GIF image... Many Emacs users will be unable to see it, as GIF library is unavailable in many installations. ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
Re: Ugly W32 display bug - fontified letters chopped on right
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kim F. Storm) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 01:46:26 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kim F. Storm) writes: I had to edit a simple html file on Windows XP, so I got the latest unpatched Emacs 22 pretest from Lennart's site (thank you). If I put this in the file xx.htm: TD class=... TD class the rightmost pixels of the first D are lost as can be seen by the tiny screen-shot at the end of this message. The second D is shown normally. The image was corrupted Arrived at my place intact, and displayed okay. and the gnu mailserver refuses my posts with attached gif files I got it (via the GNU mailserver) without any problems. ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
Re: Ugly W32 display bug - fontified letters chopped on right
From: Eric Hanchrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:35:43 -0700 I'm clearly seeing it myself, for what that's worth, using Bitstream Vera Sans Mono at 12 pixels. Do you have ClearType turned on? If so, does the problem go away if you turn it off? Do you see the problem with the default font selected by Emacs in emacs -Q? ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
Re: Ugly W32 display bug - fontified letters chopped on right
Eli == Eli Zaretskii [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm clearly seeing it myself, for what that's worth, using Bitstream Vera Sans Mono at 12 pixels. Eli Do you have ClearType turned on? I did. Eli If so, does the problem go away if you turn it off? It did indeed. Eli Do you see the problem with the default font selected by Eli Emacs in emacs -Q? Yes, if ClearType is on. -- Raffarin said he wants to see secure Internet voting in France by 2009, and he said if he had a homosexual son, he would love him ... -- from the Chicago Tribune ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
Re: Ugly W32 display bug - fontified letters chopped on right
Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org From: Eric Hanchrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 00:24:24 -0700 Eli == Eli Zaretskii [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm clearly seeing it myself, for what that's worth, using Bitstream Vera Sans Mono at 12 pixels. Eli Do you have ClearType turned on? I did. Eli If so, does the problem go away if you turn it off? It did indeed. Thanks. I added an entry to PROBLEMS about issues with ClearType. ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
Ugly W32 display bug - fontified letters chopped on right
---BeginMessage--- #multipart type=mixed #part type=text/plain charset=ISO-8859-1 format=flowed nofile=yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary-=-= I had to edit a simple html file on Windows XP, so I got the latest unpatched Emacs 22 pretest from Lennart's site (thank you). If I put this in the file xx.htm: TD class=... TD class the rightmost pixels of the first D are lost as can be seen by the tiny screen-shot at the end of this message. The second D is shown normally. If I move the cursor with the keyboard over the T D SPC, the D is shown correctly, but if I redraw the screen with C-l, the D is chopped again. It does not happen with a normal D, only the D with the font-lock face. The space after the D has the following property; I also took a dump of the properties at the D itself, but I've lost that info, and I don't have access to that window system right now, so I cannot reproduce it. IIRC, it was a font-lock-function-name-face. character: SPC (32, #o40, #x20, U+0020) charset: ascii (ASCII (ISO646 IRV)) code point: #x20 syntax: which means: whitespace category: a:ASCII graphic characters 32-126 (ISO646 IRV:1983[4/0]) l:Latin buffer code: #x20 file code: #x20 (encoded by coding system iso-latin-1) display: by this font (glyph code) -outline-Courier New-normal-r-normal-normal-13-97-96-96-c-*-iso8859-1 (#x20) --===-=-= There are text properties here: fontifiedt In GNU Emacs 22.0.97.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2007-04-04 on LENNART-69DE564 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4) --cflags -Ic:/g/include' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: DAN locale-coding-system: cp1252 default-enable-multibyte-characters: t --===-=-= Content-Type: image/gif; name=emacs-err.gif Content-Disposition: inline; filename=emacs-err.gif Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 R0lGODlhZwAlAHAAACH5BAgAAP8ALABnACUAhwAASAAAdABISEgAAHQAAHQASHQAdHR0 SAAA/wBInAB0vwB0/0gA/3QA/0hInHRInEic30ic/3S//5xIAL90AJxISJxI/790/9+cSP+/dL+/ /5zf/7///9+c//+fnP//v//f/+zp2PLy8v///wAA AAj+AEcIHEiwoMGDCBMqXMiwIcMSECNKnEixosWLGDNq3KiRhMePJDiKHEmy5EiQH02qXMmSI0qP LWPKjPky5MybOF2+tOghgc+fHEQ0+Jmgw8wMAABEyKkT5cQMAkp4kFACw4QSFziU+MAA4ocEODMs nRmiwNiMNSOCIKBgolWJXCN6MFkhqQILWiGKlaghqVKJFJIOeBAxMIDBhQPkvZi2BAXFFN9GjOu1 ZIUFeiHrPVsixAaIFK6W2FuiQtvRY01LXHvaYk2knCVK9tq18sgQEC6ShrjWr+iySQUY7Vwg+HCJ sF3vdBwb4uyttaWSxK37bAgDeTOI5ts6oobuo8H+T2zsWHPE55RLOLA8tuz23SEOGF0rGi9EDZhL 2C+BXy1btMvx9p9URBklFFHbjWQYAFcB55dwoyUVAAIMOvbgcAtCWJZ5jAXI1IcgkgfiiDiJSOKJ LZmI4oolqciiSn7FCABNHr640owT4ciSizaSpGNEP6rEY48iBVmCkS2+hFSMivVmXElLNncjRUiS 9NpSFVxlX3/8QQillDBSSaNTEGXJV36oYVQXAHcttht/fnFmGGKgCUaYkVWeFKCZ3qHJZUWXZeYm Z56BJhppqqVZWlt4jglSRHze5yeaE1Fn0ZtOVkjck5sCAGGjKe6Z4J9vSmRpRfBhp1eC94n33ZFh YoZKZmmj5hffcRRV0F4B71knXwn0QbQfl8NiBuqOOy3p6XwExMgqRQs2WNyFEQIwYYUZYkjtsSsN SeRG3ApZ47cjhWuSt+RiZG6Ss6ZbroxJOZqSu/RChG69K96L74kBAQA7 --===-=-=-- ---End Message--- -- Kim F. Storm [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cua.dk ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
Re: Ugly W32 display bug - fontified letters chopped on right
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kim F. Storm) writes: I had to edit a simple html file on Windows XP, so I got the latest unpatched Emacs 22 pretest from Lennart's site (thank you). If I put this in the file xx.htm: TD class=... TD class the rightmost pixels of the first D are lost as can be seen by the tiny screen-shot at the end of this message. The second D is shown normally. The image was corrupted, and the gnu mailserver refuses my posts with attached gif files, so I cannot post it here: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org: host mx10.gnu.org[199.232.76.166] said: 550 Bad attachment (in reply to end of DATA command) If someone wants to see it, I can send it directly. -- Kim F. Storm [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cua.dk ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
Re: Ugly W32 display bug - fontified letters chopped on right
I'm clearly seeing it myself, for what that's worth, using Bitstream Vera Sans Mono at 12 pixels. If I enlarge the font a lot, to like 24 pixels, I don't see it. -- That sounds like a bunch of baloney, [Feynman] said. Give me something real to do. So we sent him out to buy some office supplies. -- Danny Hillis ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
