Re: doc string for `yank' should mention paste
Eli Zaretskii [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: Drew Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] You're right, Eli. Once created, however, it normally exists forever, no? Yes, AFAIK. well, at least until the next (set-mark nil). thi ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
RE: doc string for `yank' should mention paste
A detail: The region exists always. No, it doesn't. When a buffer is created, at first it has no mark, so there's no region. (Try e.g. C-x C-x in a freshly created buffer, and you will see an error message saying there's no region.) You must set the mark once to define the region. You're right, Eli. Once created, however, it normally exists forever, no? Anyway, as I say, this detail can be ignored here. It *might* be worth pointing it out as a difference in terminology somewhere - a selection is indeed thought of as something that is created each time you select text. The language used to talk about the region is a bit different. ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
Re: doc string for `yank' should mention paste
From: Drew Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:02:14 -0800 A detail: The region exists always. No, it doesn't. When a buffer is created, at first it has no mark, so there's no region. (Try e.g. C-x C-x in a freshly created buffer, and you will see an error message saying there's no region.) You must set the mark once to define the region. You're right, Eli. Once created, however, it normally exists forever, no? Yes, AFAIK. It *might* be worth pointing it out as a difference in terminology somewhere - a selection is indeed thought of as something that is created each time you select text. The language used to talk about the region is a bit different. Right. ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
Re: doc string for `yank' should mention paste
Similarly, some basic operations on the region should mention the term selection as being synonymous with region. `M-x apropos-documentation region', then search for `selection' finds nothing. How about this? *** simple.el 11 Mar 2006 19:19:15 -0500 1.794 --- simple.el 12 Mar 2006 19:57:42 -0500 *** *** 3196,3201 --- 3196,3204 \\[universal-argument] \\[set-mark-command], unconditionally set mark where point is. + Setting the mark also creates a \region\, which is the Emacs + equivalent of what is called a \selection\ in some other editors. + Novice Emacs Lisp programmers often try to use the mark for the wrong purposes. See the documentation of `set-mark' for more information. (interactive P) ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
RE: doc string for `yank' should mention paste
Similarly, some basic operations on the region should mention the term selection as being synonymous with region. `M-x apropos-documentation region', then search for `selection' finds nothing. How about this? + Setting the mark also creates a \region\, which is the Emacs + equivalent of what is called a \selection\ in some other editors. Perfect. Thanks. (A detail: The region exists always. Setting the mark just redefines its boundary; it doesn't really create a region. This is one difference in terminology, which perhaps needs to be pointed out at some point, so people will understand language like the region. Selecting text creates a selection, and it redefines the region to be that selection (the selected text).) ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
Re: doc string for `yank' should mention paste
From: Drew Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:51:49 -0800 A detail: The region exists always. No, it doesn't. When a buffer is created, at first it has no mark, so there's no region. (Try e.g. C-x C-x in a freshly created buffer, and you will see an error message saying there's no region.) You must set the mark once to define the region. ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
Re: doc string for `yank' should mention paste
Drew Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The doc string for `yank' should mention the commonly understood paste operation as a (rough) synonym. Yanking is more than pasting, but at a first approximation they are the same thing. Users should be able to find `yank' when they do `M-x apropos-documentation paste'. Similarly, the doc for `kill-region' should mention cut and the doc for `kill-ring-save' should mention copy. We should provide a bridge between the vocabulary that many people are used to and the features and vocabulary of Emacs. We make this vocabulary effort in the Edit menu (but without bridging to the Emacs jargon); we should also do so in the doc strings of our basic commands that are similar to commands used in other apps. Did you actually try to do M-x apropos RET paste RET ? The apropos command has a list of aliases, e.g. paste = yank. It works for apropos-documentation as well. I The list doesn't include selection = region, but I will add that. -- Kim F. Storm [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cua.dk ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
RE: doc string for `yank' should mention paste
The doc string for `yank' should mention the commonly understood paste operation as a (rough) synonym. Yanking is more than pasting, but at a first approximation they are the same thing. Users should be able to find `yank' when they do `M-x apropos-documentation paste'. Similarly, the doc for `kill-region' should mention cut and the doc for `kill-ring-save' should mention copy. We should provide a bridge between the vocabulary that many people are used to and the features and vocabulary of Emacs. We make this vocabulary effort in the Edit menu (but without bridging to the Emacs jargon); we should also do so in the doc strings of our basic commands that are similar to commands used in other apps. Similarly, some basic operations on the region should mention the term selection as being synonymous with region. `M-x apropos-documentation region', then search for `selection' finds nothing. These are the only terms that really need bridging: region, kill, yank, kill-ring-save. They are the ones pointed out in the jargon-translation table at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/CategoryGlossary. The others there are frame and key-sequence, but I don't think it makes sense to bridge those via doc strings. ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
RE: doc string for `yank' should mention paste
Did you actually try to do M-x apropos RET paste RET ? Yes. The apropos command has a list of aliases, e.g. paste = yank. Yes, that is helpful. It works for apropos-documentation as well. But when you scan through the 1600-line *Apropos* buffer (for `apropos-doc yank'), and you come to `yank', and you read its doc string, you do not see the word `paste'. There is nothing that says that `yank' performs pasting (in my 6/2005 snapshot on MS Windows, at least). Finding it and showing it doesn't point out that this is it: command `yank' is what you are used to calling `paste'. The list doesn't include selection = region, but I will add that. Thanks. ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
Re: doc string for `yank' should mention paste
The doc string for `yank' should mention the commonly understood paste operation as a (rough) synonym. Yanking is more than pasting, Thanks. ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
RE: doc string for `yank' should mention paste
The doc string for `yank' should mention the commonly understood paste operation as a (rough) synonym. Yanking is more than pasting, but at a first approximation they are the same thing. Users should be able to find `yank' when they do `M-x apropos-documentation paste'. Similarly, the doc for `kill-region' should mention cut and the doc for `kill-ring-save' should mention copy. We should provide a bridge between the vocabulary that many people are used to and the features and vocabulary of Emacs. We make this vocabulary effort in the Edit menu (but without bridging to the Emacs jargon); we should also do so in the doc strings of our basic commands that are similar to commands used in other apps. ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug
