Re: [Emc-developers] Web site download docs
So this one is not to do with tilt sensors. The headings on the buildbot page still say 2.7 Wheezy is the stable branch and 2.8 is next release, being stabilised. Rod Webster *1300 896 832* +61 435 765 611 VMN® www.vmn.com.au On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 at 09:56, Robert Murphy wrote: > Yeah I noticed that as well, but after I thought about it, it kinda of > made sense the way it was. It just wasn't totally clear. > > On 13/9/20 8:53 am, Rod Webster wrote: > > Quite clearly, there is an issue with a southern hemisphere native > > interpreting content written in the northern hemisphere. > > > > I now see my tilt sensor has been triggered by the use of indents. I am > > accustomed to reading a heading followed by indented content but this > page > > is written with the content followed by an outdented heading. Very > > clearly back to front on my side of the world and probably elsewhere too. > > > > Better and more normal layout would be to have the content pertaining to > > Wheezy for example below the bullet point referring to the Wheezy > download. > > Instead we have content relating to Debian Stretch under the Wheezy > heading. > > > > I was taught in communications its the responsibility of the sender to > > ensure the receiver understands the message. > > If I am confused, surely other readers will be too. > > > > Perhaps the bullet points need to be moved to above their content to > > provide more clarity... even if they have probably been that way forever. > > > > > > Rod Webster > > *1300 896 832* > > +61 435 765 611 > > VMN® > > www.vmn.com.au > > > > > > > > On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 at 05:01, Robert Murphy > wrote: > > > >> Nah it's you guys who are the wrong way, you Northocentric Luddites. ;) > >> > >> If the natives of Down Under had of advanced further technology-wise > >> than the Stick things would be different. > >> > >> On 12/9/20 11:50 pm, N wrote: > >>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 12:49:29 +0100 > >>> andy pugh wrote: > >>> > On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 at 12:18, John wrote: > > Can you be more specific, I'm not seeing what your referring to. > He's an Australian and reading it upside down. :-) > >>> Once made an Australian variant of a tilt sensor then I accindetaly put > >> it in the wrong direction. > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> Emc-developers mailing list > >>> Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers > >> > >> ___ > >> Emc-developers mailing list > >> Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers > >> > > ___ > > Emc-developers mailing list > > Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers > > > ___ > Emc-developers mailing list > Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers > ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] Web site download docs
Yeah I noticed that as well, but after I thought about it, it kinda of made sense the way it was. It just wasn't totally clear. On 13/9/20 8:53 am, Rod Webster wrote: Quite clearly, there is an issue with a southern hemisphere native interpreting content written in the northern hemisphere. I now see my tilt sensor has been triggered by the use of indents. I am accustomed to reading a heading followed by indented content but this page is written with the content followed by an outdented heading. Very clearly back to front on my side of the world and probably elsewhere too. Better and more normal layout would be to have the content pertaining to Wheezy for example below the bullet point referring to the Wheezy download. Instead we have content relating to Debian Stretch under the Wheezy heading. I was taught in communications its the responsibility of the sender to ensure the receiver understands the message. If I am confused, surely other readers will be too. Perhaps the bullet points need to be moved to above their content to provide more clarity... even if they have probably been that way forever. Rod Webster *1300 896 832* +61 435 765 611 VMN® www.vmn.com.au On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 at 05:01, Robert Murphy wrote: Nah it's you guys who are the wrong way, you Northocentric Luddites. ;) If the natives of Down Under had of advanced further technology-wise than the Stick things would be different. On 12/9/20 11:50 pm, N wrote: On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 12:49:29 +0100 andy pugh wrote: On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 at 12:18, John wrote: Can you be more specific, I'm not seeing what your referring to. He's an Australian and reading it upside down. :-) Once made an Australian variant of a tilt sensor then I accindetaly put it in the wrong direction. ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] Web site download docs
Quite clearly, there is an issue with a southern hemisphere native interpreting content written in the northern hemisphere. I now see my tilt sensor has been triggered by the use of indents. I am accustomed to reading a heading followed by indented content but this page is written with the content followed by an outdented heading. Very clearly back to front on my side of the world and probably elsewhere too. Better and more normal layout would be to have the content pertaining to Wheezy for example below the bullet point referring to the Wheezy download. Instead we have content relating to Debian Stretch under the Wheezy heading. I was taught in communications its the responsibility of the sender to ensure the receiver understands the message. If I am confused, surely other readers will be too. Perhaps the bullet points need to be moved to above their content to provide more clarity... even if they have probably been that way forever. Rod Webster *1300 896 832* +61 435 765 611 VMN® www.vmn.com.au On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 at 05:01, Robert Murphy wrote: > Nah it's you guys who are the wrong way, you Northocentric Luddites. ;) > > If the natives of Down Under had of advanced further technology-wise > than the Stick things would be different. > > On 12/9/20 11:50 pm, N wrote: > > On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 12:49:29 +0100 > > andy pugh wrote: > > > >> On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 at 12:18, John wrote: > >>> Can you be more specific, I'm not seeing what your referring to. > >> He's an Australian and reading it upside down. :-) > > Once made an Australian variant of a tilt sensor then I accindetaly put > it in the wrong direction. > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-developers mailing list > > Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers > > > ___ > Emc-developers mailing list > Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers > ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] Web site download docs
Nah it's you guys who are the wrong way, you Northocentric Luddites. ;) If the natives of Down Under had of advanced further technology-wise than the Stick things would be different. On 12/9/20 11:50 pm, N wrote: On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 12:49:29 +0100 andy pugh wrote: On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 at 12:18, John wrote: Can you be more specific, I'm not seeing what your referring to. He's an Australian and reading it upside down. :-) Once made an Australian variant of a tilt sensor then I accindetaly put it in the wrong direction. ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Install from Buildbot
I've just seen the same with the packages in my Mint repo. For some reason the docs are in "Other". This is on Mint 19.2 XFCE On 13/9/20 4:49 am, John Thornton wrote: I would assume that all the desktops that are available for Debian use the same standard. JT On 9/12/2020 9:37 AM, andy pugh wrote: On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 at 15:25, John wrote: Booting from the livedvd the menus are interestingly different than in the past. Documentation leads to a large list of all documents, quite impressive but perhaps that trickery only works with the XFCE desktop. I only use Mate. It's done according to the FreeDesktop specification, which is a requirement of Debian standard 3.9.8 ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Install from Buildbot
I would assume that all the desktops that are available for Debian use the same standard. JT On 9/12/2020 9:37 AM, andy pugh wrote: On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 at 15:25, John wrote: Booting from the livedvd the menus are interestingly different than in the past. Documentation leads to a large list of all documents, quite impressive but perhaps that trickery only works with the XFCE desktop. I only use Mate. It's done according to the FreeDesktop specification, which is a requirement of Debian standard 3.9.8 ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Install from Buildbot
On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 at 15:25, John wrote: > > Booting from the livedvd the menus are interestingly different than in > the past. Documentation leads to a large list of all documents, quite > impressive but perhaps that trickery only works with the XFCE desktop. I > only use Mate. It's done according to the FreeDesktop specification, which is a requirement of Debian standard 3.9.8 -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics." — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Install from Buildbot
Booting from the livedvd the menus are interestingly different than in the past. Documentation leads to a large list of all documents, quite impressive but perhaps that trickery only works with the XFCE desktop. I only use Mate. JT On 9/12/20 8:59 AM, andy pugh wrote: On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 at 14:08, John wrote: On a debian 9 pc I lose the entire cnc menu... What do you get with a download from www.linuxcnc.org/ ? (ie the released 2.8 version) (I am trying to gauge to what extent I need to panic) ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Install from Buildbot
On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 at 14:08, John wrote: > > On a debian 9 pc I lose the entire cnc menu... What do you get with a download from www.linuxcnc.org/ ? (ie the released 2.8 version) (I am trying to gauge to what extent I need to panic) -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics." — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] Web site download docs
On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 12:49:29 +0100 andy pugh wrote: > On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 at 12:18, John wrote: > > > > Can you be more specific, I'm not seeing what your referring to. > > He's an Australian and reading it upside down. :-) Once made an Australian variant of a tilt sensor then I accindetaly put it in the wrong direction. ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] Web site download docs
I've cleaned up and sorted the 2.8 downloads section and it looks clearer to me... JT On 9/12/20 6:49 AM, andy pugh wrote: On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 at 12:18, John wrote: Can you be more specific, I'm not seeing what your referring to. He's an Australian and reading it upside down. :-) Arguably the indentation is confusing. ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Install from Buildbot
On a debian 9 pc I lose the entire cnc menu... JT On 9/12/20 6:51 AM, andy pugh wrote: On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 at 12:19, John wrote: When I upgraded the docs from 2.8 pre to 2.8.0 they disappeared from the menu. I uninstalled and reinstalled and still no Documentation entry in any menu. English docs presumably? Do you get anything if you install the Spanish docs? ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Install from Buildbot
Yes the en docs and no after adding the es docs they still are missing from the menu JT On 9/12/20 6:51 AM, andy pugh wrote: On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 at 12:19, John wrote: When I upgraded the docs from 2.8 pre to 2.8.0 they disappeared from the menu. I uninstalled and reinstalled and still no Documentation entry in any menu. English docs presumably? Do you get anything if you install the Spanish docs? ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] Web site download docs
Ok I see the cornfusingness JT On 9/12/20 6:49 AM, andy pugh wrote: On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 at 12:18, John wrote: Can you be more specific, I'm not seeing what your referring to. He's an Australian and reading it upside down. :-) Arguably the indentation is confusing. ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Install from Buildbot
On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 at 12:19, John wrote: > > When I upgraded the docs from 2.8 pre to 2.8.0 they disappeared from the > menu. I uninstalled and reinstalled and still no Documentation entry in > any menu. English docs presumably? Do you get anything if you install the Spanish docs? -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics." — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] Web site download docs
On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 at 12:18, John wrote: > > Can you be more specific, I'm not seeing what your referring to. He's an Australian and reading it upside down. :-) Arguably the indentation is confusing. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics." — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
[Emc-developers] 2.8 Install from Buildbot
When I upgraded the docs from 2.8 pre to 2.8.0 they disappeared from the menu. I uninstalled and reinstalled and still no Documentation entry in any menu. JT ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] Web site download docs
Can you be more specific, I'm not seeing what your referring to. JT On 9/12/20 2:25 AM, Rod Webster wrote: I think the docs on the download page need some tidying up. We are referring to Stretch under the Wheezy heading... See https://linuxcnc.org/downloads/ Rod Webster *1300 896 832* +61 435 765 611 VMN® www.vmn.com.au ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
[Emc-developers] Web site download docs
I think the docs on the download page need some tidying up. We are referring to Stretch under the Wheezy heading... See https://linuxcnc.org/downloads/ Rod Webster *1300 896 832* +61 435 765 611 VMN® www.vmn.com.au ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
