Re: [Emc-developers] Sserial bit type parameters
On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 at 18:45, Peter C. Wallace wrote: > How difficult would it be to add bit type parameters > to the sserial driver? (they are ignored currently) I imagine that it would be nearly trivial, and if they are currently ignored then it can only have been an oversight on the part of the driver author. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics." — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
[Emc-developers] Sserial bit type parameters
How difficult would it be to add bit type parameters to the sserial driver? (they are ignored currently) Peter Wallace Mesa electronics ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] Using `main` instead of `master` branch
On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 at 00:27, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: > The buildbot and surrounding scripts will need minimal updates to > implement this change. A more diffuse concern are the various forum posts, tutorials, wiki pages etc which give instructions containing the branch name. (94 instances of "checkout master" on the forum, for example) -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics." — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] Using `main` instead of `master` branch
> On 30. Jul 2021, at 19:01, Michael Freudenreich wrote: > > I would rather like to see a new feature in software, like the variables > which provide machine coordinates as discussed in the other thread. That’s already in master. ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] Using `main` instead of `master` branch
As Rod said, being a Master, like a master of a trade, is not a bad thing. Where it gets bad is the slavery part, so I can fully understand that one wants to get rid of all master/ slave namings. In case of the branch name “master”, I don’t see any branch’s named slave, so where’s the connection from master to slavery. From a technical point I can only agree to the others. Changing names in software is often a pain. If names within code are changed it can at least improve readability. But the branch name doesn’t change much… I would rather like to see a new feature in software, like the variables which provide machine coordinates as discussed in the other thread. Michael > On 30. Jul 2021, at 16:36, Rod Webster wrote: > > i'm with Les. Slavery has not been a feature of our culture. Heck his > country shipped us off as convicts! > In this case, the minority are taking a very narrow minded definition > to suit their own purposes. > > It would mean I could no longer be a jack of all trades and master of none. > I could not train to be a Master Chef or become a Plumber and join the > Master Plumbers Association > How could I master the art of Kung Fu? > And I would lose fond childhood memories about the excitement of receiving > a letter addressed to > Master R Webster as it inferred somebody thought I was becoming a young man > instead of the old one I've now become! > > There are far more definitions of master that the minority would have us > believe. > Its clear to me that its possible to be a master without any slaves to do > your bidding as demonstrated above. > It seems software is one of them. > > Rod Webster > *1300 896 832* > +61 435 765 611 > Vehicle Modifications Network > www.vehiclemods.net.au > > >> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 at 23:40, Les Newell wrote: >> My personal opinion is that this sort of thing is taking PC to extremes >> and if anything it's a backward step. Trying to bury the words doesn't >> change what has happened and is still happening around the world. Just >> trying to forget and pretend slavery never happened isn't the way to go. >> However this is personal opinion and I don't feel strongly enough about >> the change to object either way. >> Trying to be too PC can actually be offensive to minorities. I live in a >> predominantly white area and have a black friend. One thing he really >> hates is when people tiptoe around him due to his colour. For example we >> went into a cafe and ordered coffee. The person serving asked 'do you >> want bla...er, without milk or with?'. It may not sound like much but >> that immediately makes him 'other' - someone you need to be careful >> around. We're all just people. Sorry, I'll get off my soap box now. >> Les >>> On 29/07/2021 21:18, Jeff Epler wrote: >>> For those who desire more background, both on the motivation and on the >>> breadth of organizations that are choosing to make this change: >>> [some links are about ending use of the M/S terms in electrical >>> interfaces, which is also a thing that is being addressed] >>> https://www.acm.org/diversity-inclusion/words-matter >>> https://sfconservancy.org/news/2020/jun/23/gitbranchname/ >> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/technology/racist-computer-engineering-terms-ietf.html >>> https://www.mail-archive.com/python-dev@python.org/msg111965.html >>> https://standards.ieee.org/about/sasb/resolutions.html (search December >> 2020 in page) >> https://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/blog/master-slave-and-the-fight-over-offensive-terms-in-computing-kate-conger-new-york-times-april-13-2021/ >> https://betterprogramming.pub/github-replacing-master-with-main-is-a-huge-win-for-inclusion-in-tech-bf517478275b >> https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/making-open-source-more-inclusive-eradicating-problematic-language >>> https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2021/03/10/new-git-default-branch-name/ >>> https://www.sparkfun.com/spi_signal_names >>> https://www.eetimes.com/its-time-for-ieee-to-retire-master-slave/ >>> https://www.oshwa.org/a-resolution-to-redefine-spi-signal-names/ >>> https://cdm.link/2020/06/lets-dump-master-slave-terms/ >> https://blog.adafruit.com/2020/07/12/the-linux-kernel-has-now-adopted-inclusive-language/ >>> Jeff >>> ___ >>> Emc-developers mailing list >>> Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers >> ___ >> Emc-developers mailing list >> Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers > > ___ > Emc-developers mailing list > Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] Using `main` instead of `master` branch
i'm with Les. Slavery has not been a feature of our culture. Heck his country shipped us off as convicts! In this case, the minority are taking a very narrow minded definition to suit their own purposes. It would mean I could no longer be a jack of all trades and master of none. I could not train to be a Master Chef or become a Plumber and join the Master Plumbers Association How could I master the art of Kung Fu? And I would lose fond childhood memories about the excitement of receiving a letter addressed to Master R Webster as it inferred somebody thought I was becoming a young man instead of the old one I've now become! There are far more definitions of master that the minority would have us believe. Its clear to me that its possible to be a master without any slaves to do your bidding as demonstrated above. It seems software is one of them. Rod Webster *1300 896 832* +61 435 765 611 Vehicle Modifications Network www.vehiclemods.net.au On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 at 23:40, Les Newell wrote: > My personal opinion is that this sort of thing is taking PC to extremes > and if anything it's a backward step. Trying to bury the words doesn't > change what has happened and is still happening around the world. Just > trying to forget and pretend slavery never happened isn't the way to go. > > However this is personal opinion and I don't feel strongly enough about > the change to object either way. > > Trying to be too PC can actually be offensive to minorities. I live in a > predominantly white area and have a black friend. One thing he really > hates is when people tiptoe around him due to his colour. For example we > went into a cafe and ordered coffee. The person serving asked 'do you > want bla...er, without milk or with?'. It may not sound like much but > that immediately makes him 'other' - someone you need to be careful > around. We're all just people. Sorry, I'll get off my soap box now. > > Les > > > On 29/07/2021 21:18, Jeff Epler wrote: > > For those who desire more background, both on the motivation and on the > > breadth of organizations that are choosing to make this change: > > > > [some links are about ending use of the M/S terms in electrical > > interfaces, which is also a thing that is being addressed] > > > > https://www.acm.org/diversity-inclusion/words-matter > > https://sfconservancy.org/news/2020/jun/23/gitbranchname/ > > > https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/technology/racist-computer-engineering-terms-ietf.html > > https://www.mail-archive.com/python-dev@python.org/msg111965.html > > https://standards.ieee.org/about/sasb/resolutions.html (search December > 2020 in page) > > > https://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/blog/master-slave-and-the-fight-over-offensive-terms-in-computing-kate-conger-new-york-times-april-13-2021/ > > > https://betterprogramming.pub/github-replacing-master-with-main-is-a-huge-win-for-inclusion-in-tech-bf517478275b > > > https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/making-open-source-more-inclusive-eradicating-problematic-language > > https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2021/03/10/new-git-default-branch-name/ > > https://www.sparkfun.com/spi_signal_names > > https://www.eetimes.com/its-time-for-ieee-to-retire-master-slave/ > > https://www.oshwa.org/a-resolution-to-redefine-spi-signal-names/ > > https://cdm.link/2020/06/lets-dump-master-slave-terms/ > > > https://blog.adafruit.com/2020/07/12/the-linux-kernel-has-now-adopted-inclusive-language/ > > > > Jeff > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-developers mailing list > > Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers > > > > > ___ > Emc-developers mailing list > Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers > ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
Re: [Emc-developers] Using `main` instead of `master` branch
My personal opinion is that this sort of thing is taking PC to extremes and if anything it's a backward step. Trying to bury the words doesn't change what has happened and is still happening around the world. Just trying to forget and pretend slavery never happened isn't the way to go. However this is personal opinion and I don't feel strongly enough about the change to object either way. Trying to be too PC can actually be offensive to minorities. I live in a predominantly white area and have a black friend. One thing he really hates is when people tiptoe around him due to his colour. For example we went into a cafe and ordered coffee. The person serving asked 'do you want bla...er, without milk or with?'. It may not sound like much but that immediately makes him 'other' - someone you need to be careful around. We're all just people. Sorry, I'll get off my soap box now. Les On 29/07/2021 21:18, Jeff Epler wrote: For those who desire more background, both on the motivation and on the breadth of organizations that are choosing to make this change: [some links are about ending use of the M/S terms in electrical interfaces, which is also a thing that is being addressed] https://www.acm.org/diversity-inclusion/words-matter https://sfconservancy.org/news/2020/jun/23/gitbranchname/ https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/technology/racist-computer-engineering-terms-ietf.html https://www.mail-archive.com/python-dev@python.org/msg111965.html https://standards.ieee.org/about/sasb/resolutions.html (search December 2020 in page) https://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/blog/master-slave-and-the-fight-over-offensive-terms-in-computing-kate-conger-new-york-times-april-13-2021/ https://betterprogramming.pub/github-replacing-master-with-main-is-a-huge-win-for-inclusion-in-tech-bf517478275b https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/making-open-source-more-inclusive-eradicating-problematic-language https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2021/03/10/new-git-default-branch-name/ https://www.sparkfun.com/spi_signal_names https://www.eetimes.com/its-time-for-ieee-to-retire-master-slave/ https://www.oshwa.org/a-resolution-to-redefine-spi-signal-names/ https://cdm.link/2020/06/lets-dump-master-slave-terms/ https://blog.adafruit.com/2020/07/12/the-linux-kernel-has-now-adopted-inclusive-language/ Jeff ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
