Re: Korea in a Nut Shell
Hello Eric and Ryan, First Korean EMC test laboratory has been accredited on June 30, 1997 by NVLAP, Lab Code: 200040-0 for testing emissions to FCC Part 15. LG Electronics, Inc. Quality and Reliability Center 36, Munlae-dong, 6-ga Youngdungpo-gu Seoul 150-096 KOREA Contact: Mr. Hong Do-Jae Phone: 82 2 630 3006 Fax: 82 2 630 3050 Regards, Mirko Matejic The Foxboro Company Foxboro, Massachusetts, USA Tel: +1 508 549-3185 -- From: eric.lif...@natinst.com To: hait...@soback.kornet.nm.kr Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: Korea in a Nut Shell List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Friday, August 01, 1997 1:49PM ... Yes, I am aware that the FCC does not have NVLAP setup for Korea. I'm afraid I don't have much influence on such matters, and I agree it is not a fair situation. I plan to submit for NVLAP soon, but I don't enjoy the idea. ...
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Re: Korea EMC
Haitong EMC Inc. Tel : 82-339-376-4117 Fax : 82-339-376-4118 Email : hait...@soback.kornet.nm.kr Ryan Kim / President of Haitong EMC Inc. -- $)C > :83= ;g6w: chris_al...@3com.com > 9^4B ;g6w: sdoug...@ecrm.com > B|A6: emc-p...@ieee.org > A&8q: Re: Korea EMC > 3/B%: 19973b 8?y 4@O ?y?d@O ?@HD 5:04 > > > Dear Douglas, I will comment on each your question. Please refer to the following message. - Mr. Chris original message - > > > Scott, > > Lab Accreditation > > I don't know if you have seen my note on the accreditation of facilities > outside Korea, but the RRL in Korea are not accrediting labs outside Korea > until MOUs/MRAs are in place. > > Manuals > > The test house we are using have quoted us a cost of US$10/page translated. > > Distributors > This is what the RRL told me during my visit (this information was not what > Estech, the EMI consultants / test house we are using in Korea, told me) : > > 1. Only one certification number is required to cover your distributors. > > 2. (This is the nasty one). The applicant and EACH distributor has to > perform the annual retest. In your case this means 6 retest per year per > product. The reason the RRL gave for this requirement is to cover one model > of a product being manufactured in more than one location (I guess it > covers PC distributors who make up systems from kits of parts to differing > levels of quality). I have asked our EMI consultants to discuss the > possibility of registering the manufacturing facilities as an alternative. > I will keep you posted. > > Kind regards, > > Chris Allen > Senior Approvals Engineer > 3Com Europe Ltd. > > > - Previous Message > > > > To: haitong @ soback.kornet.nm.kr > cc: emc-pstc @ ieee.org > From: sdouglas @ ecrm.com @ UGATE > Date: Friday August 1, 1997 15:28 > Subject: Korea EMC > --- > >--- > > > > Ryan, > I read your response to the "Korea in a Nut Shell" message. Thank you for > that. > I have some questions and comments. > 1. How does a US lab apply for and get accreditation from the Korean > government for EMI testing? I would like my local test house to apply. Answer : You can see the case that IBM already got 4 labs in America. I haven't seen any written law that outside of Korea labs can not be accreditted. Their must be the way. > 2. Your price of U$670 for test, report and certification application is > half the cost of a test and report at my local test house. I do not have to > apply to the FCC for Class A equipment. A one day (6-8 hours) test is done > and it takes 10 days to get the report. Your cost and turn-around time are > half what I get here. > 3. Touche on the language issue. I am paying for 6 (now 7 with Korea) > translations all the time. I don't like it but it is a cost of doing > business. > 4. If my product continues to be imported into Korea after one year, you > say I need to have a test report to check the product's EMI condition as > compared to the original and that I have to apply to the Korean lab to get > the test report. > Question - does the Korean lab just re-print the original report or do I > have to send another sample of the product back for another test? How is > the product checked against the original tested product? Answer : You must provide same sample and Korea lab retests. First, we check EMI condition and if it passes, test is done and issue the report. RRL has the picture of sample 1 year ago and sometimes they compare your sample to the picture to find out any hard ware change. > >From an e-mail on 8 April 1997 from you to Bharat Shah regarding labeling > of the product - - If I have five distributors importing the same products, > you said that each of them has to get certification by applying for "same > product verification". Answer : This case is only with one condition that five distributor import your products seperately with its name on the invoice. It means you have five importers. Many cases, only one dealer is the importer, and dealer distributor products to the distributor like what H.P. does. In that case, you don't need any same type verification or EMI certi for each distributor. > Does that mean that each distributor must apply for this? Who do they apply > to? Is it possible for me to get the registration, label the products here > at my factory and ship them to the five distributors with all getting the > same label? Answer : If your distributor is the importer (let say 5 impor
Re: Korea in a Nut Shell
Haitong EMC Inc. Tel : 82-339-376-4117 Fax : 82-339-376-4118 Email : hait...@soback.kornet.nm.kr Ryan Kim / President of Haitong EMC Inc. -- $)C > :83= ;g6w: Martin Garwood > 9^4B ;g6w: Ryan Kim > B|A6: eric.lif...@natinst.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > A&8q: Re: Korea in a Nut Shell > 3/B%: 19973b 8?y 5@O H-?d@O ?@@| 1:33 > Thank you for your comment. As you said, I need to cool down and I will. Now its time to talk about MRA and sprit of GATT! What country accept any EMI report from the Korea lab? Amrerica doesn't give Korea lab any NVLAB or other accrediton. That is why all of Korea manufacturer's (include big company such as Samsung) go to the Amreica to test at Amrerica lab. Europe is same situation too. TUV, VDE branch office charge around U$2,500 to just sign on the report. And It burdens Korea manufacturers. Japan? Only VCCI accredited lab can issue the report. You may imagine how much cost and time Korea manaufacturers spend to get those Certification even thoug they have their own test facitility and they can use private lab like my lab with same testing equipment. Isn't that unfair that Korea accept the foreign country's report and they don't for Korea lab's report? Isn't this the real contravention of the sprit of the GATT? What does the MRA mean? Why only Korea must accept the report? Then, it must be the One-side Recognition Agreement not the MRA. From the manufacturer's view, Korea manufacturers spend much more cost and time compare to foreign manufacturers which cost up the products price and make less price competitiveness. Does Austrailia accept Korea lab's report? Thanks again for your comment again. Regards, - Your original message - > I havn't stopped laughing since receiving the tyrade from Ryan Kim with > comments such as: > > >> ** Each test take approximately 4 hours and issuing the report another 2 hours. Which lab is so notoriously slow at doing report. America lab spend at least one shift (8 hours) for the test. Normally 2-3 shifts for the one model. And charge U$1500 (for example) for the shift. So total test fee would be U$4,500 and spend 3 days. And > issuing the report the next day. So, approximately 4 days (if lucky) > would be needed to get report with so much money. > Korea labs! one day job for the test and report with U$600. Test > procedure is same and testing equipment is same too compared to America > lab. Now, compare Korea lab to America lab. Which lab is so fast with > less money. > > I suggest Ryan cools down before causing a diplomatic incident & looks > at the situation from a manufacturer's point of view (not from a lab's). > If as he states, the test proceedure & test equipment is the same as US > labs(I'll include Australia, EU members and most other countries with > accredited facilities) then why must the equipment be retested in Korea. > Isn't this in contravention of the spirit of GATT ? > > Most accrediation bodies such as NVLAP,AALA,NATA,NAMAS etc have > bilateral & multilateral recognition agreements for the acceptance of > test data to avoid unnecessary duplication of testing + cost. Korea > should not have implemented an EMC regime before ensuring fair and > reasonable access, and certainly not without comprehensive MRA's in > place. > > If Ryan can pour thru 120 products in 1 month (note there is no mention > of Failures !!!) it just goes to prove this is a cynical exercise in > income protection for Korean (and any other anointed labs), and serves > to exclude products & companies from the Korean market that maintain > tight profit margins and don't have the infrastructure of their own test > facilities. > > It is up to manufacturer's to lobby their Govt's to ensure fair & > reasonable access to export markets without contending with artificial > hurdles that serve to protect local conglomerates. > > Best Regards. > > > Ryan Kim wrote: > > > > Haitong EMC Inc. > > Tel : 82-339-376-4117 > > Fax : 82-339-376-4118 > > Email : hait...@soback.kornet.nm.kr > > Ryan Kim / President of Haitong EMC Inc. > > > > -- > > > > > :83= ;g6w: eric.lif...@natinst.com > > > 9^4B ;g6w: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > > > A&8q: Korea in a Nut Shell > > > 3/B%: 19973b 7?y 31@O 8q?d@O ?@@| 5:52 > > > > > > > > What a surprise! > > > > Where did you get those wrong information on Korea > > EMI regulation. I wish you have confidence before > > post your opinion. > > > > > > > > A past posting requested info about Korea EMC Requirements. Here's what > > > I've learned, condensed for your reading pleasure, and interpretted for > > > it's deeper meaning. > > > > > > A foreign company must hire a Korean EMC lab to represent them for > > > government certification, and pay the lab accordingly for the emission > > > tests, report creation, and submission of the whole thing to the
Re: Korea EMC
Scott, Lab Accreditation I don't know if you have seen my note on the accreditation of facilities outside Korea, but the RRL in Korea are not accrediting labs outside Korea until MOUs/MRAs are in place. Manuals The test house we are using have quoted us a cost of US$10/page translated. Distributors This is what the RRL told me during my visit (this information was not what Estech, the EMI consultants / test house we are using in Korea, told me) : 1. Only one certification number is required to cover your distributors. 2. (This is the nasty one). The applicant and EACH distributor has to perform the annual retest. In your case this means 6 retest per year per product. The reason the RRL gave for this requirement is to cover one model of a product being manufactured in more than one location (I guess it covers PC distributors who make up systems from kits of parts to differing levels of quality). I have asked our EMI consultants to discuss the possibility of registering the manufacturing facilities as an alternative. I will keep you posted. Kind regards, Chris Allen Senior Approvals Engineer 3Com Europe Ltd. - Previous Message To: haitong @ soback.kornet.nm.kr cc: emc-pstc @ ieee.org From: sdouglas @ ecrm.com @ UGATE List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Friday August 1, 1997 15:28 Subject: Korea EMC --- --- Ryan, I read your response to the "Korea in a Nut Shell" message. Thank you for that. I have some questions and comments. 1. How does a US lab apply for and get accreditation from the Korean government for EMI testing? I would like my local test house to apply. 2. Your price of U$670 for test, report and certification application is half the cost of a test and report at my local test house. I do not have to apply to the FCC for Class A equipment. A one day (6-8 hours) test is done and it takes 10 days to get the report. Your cost and turn-around time are half what I get here. 3. Touche on the language issue. I am paying for 6 (now 7 with Korea) translations all the time. I don't like it but it is a cost of doing business. 4. If my product continues to be imported into Korea after one year, you say I need to have a test report to check the product's EMI condition as compared to the original and that I have to apply to the Korean lab to get the test report. Question - does the Korean lab just re-print the original report or do I have to send another sample of the product back for another test? How is the product checked against the original tested product? >From an e-mail on 8 April 1997 from you to Bharat Shah regarding labeling of the product - - If I have five distributors importing the same products, you said that each of them has to get certification by applying for "same product verification". Does that mean that each distributor must apply for this? Who do they apply to? Is it possible for me to get the registration, label the products here at my factory and ship them to the five distributors with all getting the same label? Most of my products will be shipped with my name on the certification label. That label has all of the approvals needed on it, that is CSA, CSA/NRTL, TUV, CE Marking, FCC statements, etc. Can I just add the Korean label requirements to my existing certification label? I do not put dealer or distributor names on my certification label or anywhere else on my products in this case. I do, however, sometimes do some private labeling. A customer of mine will have us place their name on the front of the product, i.e. the marketing name of the product. My certification label with my name and all approvals is placed on the back of the product. How does this affect the questions in the paragraph above? In a third variation, some of my customers contract us to make products for them and their name is placed on the certification label as well as on the marketing labels. In this case, I get CSA, TUV, etc. certifications in their name with me as the manufacturing location for that customer. How does this affect the questions in the paragraph above? Finally, someone at our embassy in Korea provided me with a chart that lists the products that need to have EMI testing. My products are not on that chart. It was in Korean and he provided it to me with his translation of the product types. It is not official and I cannot refer to it or attribute it to him. The chart is from a book, page 385 and the title is "Items subject to EMI testing" that he obtained from RRL. The hard question, if my product is not on that chart and I classify my product as Information Technology Equipment, then do I still need to get EMI registration? The chart listed the following equipment as subject to EMI testing: Wire
Re: Korea in a Nut Shell
I havn't stopped laughing since receiving the tyrade from Ryan Kim with comments such as: >> ** Each test take approximately 4 hours and issuing the report another 2 >> hours. Which lab is so notoriously slow at doing report. America lab spend >> at least one shift (8 hours) for the test. Normally 2-3 shifts for the one >> model. And charge U$1500 (for example) for the shift. So total test fee >> would be U$4,500 and spend 3 days. And issuing the report the next day. So, approximately 4 days (if lucky) would be needed to get report with so much money. Korea labs! one day job for the test and report with U$600. Test procedure is same and testing equipment is same too compared to America lab. Now, compare Korea lab to America lab. Which lab is so fast with less money. I suggest Ryan cools down before causing a diplomatic incident & looks at the situation from a manufacturer's point of view (not from a lab's). If as he states, the test proceedure & test equipment is the same as US labs(I'll include Australia, EU members and most other countries with accredited facilities) then why must the equipment be retested in Korea. Isn't this in contravention of the spirit of GATT ? Most accrediation bodies such as NVLAP,AALA,NATA,NAMAS etc have bilateral & multilateral recognition agreements for the acceptance of test data to avoid unnecessary duplication of testing + cost. Korea should not have implemented an EMC regime before ensuring fair and reasonable access, and certainly not without comprehensive MRA's in place. If Ryan can pour thru 120 products in 1 month (note there is no mention of Failures !!!) it just goes to prove this is a cynical exercise in income protection for Korean (and any other anointed labs), and serves to exclude products & companies from the Korean market that maintain tight profit margins and don't have the infrastructure of their own test facilities. It is up to manufacturer's to lobby their Govt's to ensure fair & reasonable access to export markets without contending with artificial hurdles that serve to protect local conglomerates. Best Regards. Ryan Kim wrote: > > Haitong EMC Inc. > Tel : 82-339-376-4117 > Fax : 82-339-376-4118 > Email : hait...@soback.kornet.nm.kr > Ryan Kim / President of Haitong EMC Inc. > > -- > $)C > > :83= ;g6w: eric.lif...@natinst.com > > 9^4B ;g6w: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > > A&8q: Korea in a Nut Shell > > 3/B%: 19973b 7?y 31@O 8q?d@O ?@@| 5:52 > > > > > What a surprise! > > Where did you get those wrong information on Korea > EMI regulation. I wish you have confidence before > post your opinion. > > > > > A past posting requested info about Korea EMC Requirements. Here's what > > I've learned, condensed for your reading pleasure, and interpretted for > > it's deeper meaning. > > > > A foreign company must hire a Korean EMC lab to represent them for > > government certification, and pay the lab accordingly for the emission > > tests, report creation, and submission of the whole thing to the Korean > > authorities - along with the required fee. User manuals must be > translated > > into Hangul/Korean. You might also have to provide full schematic > diagrams > > with the test report. > > > ** What did you mean hire Korean EMC lab. For the Korea >EMI, only Korea government authorized lab can issue the >report to apply for the final certi from the government. >Mostly in Korea (31 labs) and 4 in United States (IBM). >Why don't you apply for the Korea EMI lab accredition >instead of hiring Korea lab! There is no law that other >contries lab can not apply for the accredition. 4 IBM labs >approve the fact. Normal charge for the test and report >is U$600 per model which is almost one third of America >lab charges. Submission fee to the government is U$70 >which is more than 1/10 of FCC application fee. Korea >EMI lab issue the report and get test and report fee as >well as application from the applicant and submmit test >report to the government with submission fee without >extra charge. What is wrong with that? Also, EMI lab >get the certi and delivery to the applicant. Certi >is issued within 3 days after the submission which is >really short period of time compared to the other countries. > >User's manual must be translated in to Korean because >Korea government wants to let Korean people have the >Korean written manual for the purchasing imported devices. >If you do not translate your manual and supply with English >manual, how Korean people read your manual and understand >how operate? We, Korean people have learn English to use >your products? This is the reason why Korean government >want to see Korean written manual and let foreign manufacturers >supply their system with Korean written manual. I don't see >any problem with that. If Korea manufacturer supply its system >with Korean wr
