Re: IEC Spray Nozzle
You can buy them through PTL in Germany. They are NOT reasonably priced!! (~$2,500) But I wasn't able to find anything cheaper when we bought ours! PTL Dr. Grabenhorst GmbH Industriestraße 15 D-8652 Stadtsteinach Germany If you can't come up with a Phone number, let me know and I'll dig in our records to get you one. Bill Lawrence - Factory Mutual At 11:17 1/22/98 -0800, Darrell Locke (MSMail) wrote: Can anyone tell where where I can find a reasonably priced IEC Spray Nozzle as specified in figure 5 of IEC 529? Thanks in advance Darrell Locke Advanced Input Devices Bill Lawrence South Yarmouth, MA 02664 wlawr...@capecod.net
Re[2]: Shielded power cord, seeking source for
Very interesting. I did not know this. Where is this stated in the standard, or elsewhere, and how exactly is this enforced? Tania Grant, Lucent Technologies, Octel Messaging Division tgr...@lucent.com __ Reply Separator _ Subject: RE: Shielded power cord, seeking source for Author: Rick Busche rbus...@es.com at P_Internet_Mail List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:1/22/98 12:26 PM It is my understanding that shielded power cords are not allowed on products in European markets. As I recall, the rationale is that if a cord is replaced, there is no guarantee that it can, or will, be replaced with a shielded cord. -Original Message- From: Bob Blank [SMTP:bbl...@us.bnsmc.com] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 1998 12:24 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject:Shielded power cord, seeking source for Seeking source for shielded power cords to meet CE mark requirements. Prefer braided shield (80% tinned copper) instead of foil 18/3, CEE color coding, 10A, 125 V, PVC jacket, 9'10 long should have female connector PH-30 (angled IEC 320) molded on Should meet any other specs required for CE mark Any advice is greatly appreciated R. BlankReceived: from curly.eng.octel.com (148.147.200.26) by m-internet.corp.octel.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0001679E; Thu, 22 Jan 98 11:56:11 -0800 Received: from gw3.octel.com (gw3.octel.com [148.147.1.15]) by curly.eng.octel.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA19732; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:59:08 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by gw3.octel.com (8.6.10/8.6.12) id LAA27029; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:58:37 -0800 Received: from ruebert.ieee.org(199.172.136.3) by gw3.octel.com via smap (V1.3) id sma026515; Thu Jan 22 11:57:42 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by ruebert.ieee.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08266 for emc-pstc-list; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:26:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: 075e06e8b98ad111833500805fea67540c1...@torino.corp.es.com From: Rick Busche rbus...@es.com To: 'Bob Blank' bbl...@us.bnsmc.com, emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Shielded power cord, seeking source for List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:26:12 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Rick Busche rbus...@es.com X-Resent-To: Multiple Recipients emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Listname: emc-pstc X-Info: Help requests to emc-pstc-requ...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Info: [Un]Subscribe requests to majord...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Moderator-Address: emc-pstc-appro...@majordomo.ieee.org
RE: Shielded power cord, seeking source for
It is my understanding that shielded power cords are not allowed on products in European markets. As I recall, the rationale is that if a cord is replaced, there is no guarantee that it can, or will, be replaced with a shielded cord. -Original Message- From: Bob Blank [SMTP:bbl...@us.bnsmc.com] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 1998 12:24 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject:Shielded power cord, seeking source for Seeking source for shielded power cords to meet CE mark requirements. Prefer braided shield (80% tinned copper) instead of foil 18/3, CEE color coding, 10A, 125 V, PVC jacket, 9'10 long should have female connector PH-30 (angled IEC 320) molded on Should meet any other specs required for CE mark Any advice is greatly appreciated R. Blank
European Standards Bodies Overview
Before my question, I'd like to say that the responses I've received so far were prompt and in-depth; this is an invaluable resource, excellent work! Can anyone suggest a document (official or unofficial) which provides an overview of the European standard-making bodies and how they are inter-related; i.e., a road map to European certification, if it exists. Thanks Ed Janzen EMC Engineer CAE Electronics Ltd. Montreal, Canada E-Mail: jan...@cae.ca
Shielded power cord, seeking source for
Seeking source for shielded power cords to meet CE mark requirements. Prefer braided shield (80% tinned copper) instead of foil 18/3, CEE color coding, 10A, 125 V, PVC jacket, 9'10 long should have female connector PH-30 (angled IEC 320) molded on Should meet any other specs required for CE mark Any advice is greatly appreciated R. Blank
IEC Spray Nozzle
Can anyone tell where where I can find a reasonably priced IEC Spray Nozzle as specified in figure 5 of IEC 529? Thanks in advance Darrell Locke Advanced Input Devices
OJ on CD
Hi; Eur-Op News reports that the OJ is now available in CDROM. Three US sources are listed: Bernan Associates (800-274-4447) European Document Research (202-785-8594) PSI-USA (303-277-1137) I called Bernan and their price is $830 plus 6% for shipping and handling = $879.80 for one year.The CDs will be sent out quarterly. Mike Mertinooke Mike Mertinooke mmert...@modicon.com
seismic
Anco in Boulder, CO does seismic testing their address and Phone As several people have asked me what I found out regarding seismic testing here is a list of companies to talk to (i haven't spoke to all of them). What I know know is that certain sites require an installation to be signed off by the local authority (building inspector, fire marshall, etc) for earthquakeness (my word) and or wind resistance. Generally the contractor provides this authority with drawings, calculations, in accordance with the UBC (Uniform Building Code), there is a seismic section. These drawings and calculations are signed by a Structural/Civil Engineer registered in CA. ANCO Engineers Inc. 4826 Sterling Dr. Boulder, CO 80301 (303)443-7580 Contact: George Howard PS ANCO used to be located in the LA area and did nuclear power plant seismic testing. Steve Watkins at Instrument specialties in La Placentia Henri Koza, EQE, Newport Beach , CA 714 833 3303 Biggs Cardoza (company name) San Jose, CA 408 ???-
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EMC lab in Vancouver
Hi Is there anyone in the EMC field working in or around Vancouver Canada. Im probably be going on a short trip there in February and would be intrested to see the market in that part of the world. Best wishes Petter Gardinemail: petter.gar...@enator.se ENATOR Communications AB Accredited EMC testlab and Competent Body P.O. Box 360 S-83125 OSTERSUND SWEDEN
Re: On Humour/Humor ! comment
The issues I'm am raising is exactly language, but language WITHIN the specification. ie dated references to ENVs in the generic specification [the issue !] If I spell foreword or forward wrongly on TREG big deal, but the standard committee have gone and put a dated reference to an ENV which does not make any logically sense. The spoof was aimed at Complaints about typographically errors contained in TREG emails which is not the real issue ! Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:56:04 -0500 From: Victor L. Boersma vboer...@compuserve.com Subject: Foreward and backward To: TREG t...@world.std.com The forward of a typical ENV specification states Please boys and girls, the typical ENV has no forward or backward but a FOREWORD that is not part of the ENV. Vic At 07:41 22/1/98 +1100, Reuben Medding wrote: Vic, Your comments on the new for clear accurate language especially for Standards is very much to the point. Laxity is an excuse for Laziness. Keep up the good work R Medding R MEDDING ASSOCIATES Consulting Engineers EMAIL: medd...@tmx.com.au. FOR INTNL CALLS Ph: 61-3-95328848 FAX: 61-3-95328849 -- From: Victor L. Boersma vboer...@compuserve.com To: INTERNET:t...@world.std.com Subject: On Humour/Humor ! Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998 4:21 AM Andy did a nice spoof on my objections to the abuse of language. It so happens that I am dead serious about the fact that a large portion of the so-called approval problems stem from the abuse of language committed by well-willing engineers in standards and regulations, by and large written by industry. They believe that those who insist the accurate use of language, don't understand the issues, or are trying to avoid the issues. No doubt that may be true in some cases, but my general experience is that this is not pedantery and that they understand the issues a bit too well. However, as many now know quite well, I do not take myself too serious and recommend that nobody in this racket become too self rightuous. Let's stop doing this, if it isn't fun any longer and remember, behind every clown's face is a sad person at heart. Ciao, Vic -- Regards Andy Griffin EMiSoft Limited - Test and Assessment Software Solutions Uk Tel +44 (0)468 188244 Uk Fax +44 (0)1793 522214 USA Tel/Fax +408 356 1980 Emailagrif...@emisoft.co.uk Web http://www.emisoft.co.uk Hot Linkshttp://www.emisoft.co.uk/special/hotemc.htm We write software - we don't sell equipment
Diagnostic Requirements
To All, What domestic and international product safety and EMC requirements would laboratory equipment used for diagnostic applications fall under? This equipment may be located in a hospital, yet it would not be patient connected or in the same room as a patient. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer P.E. Applied Biosystems marti...@perkin-elmer.com
Notified or Competent Body?
Hi from Montreal Question: For a product (flight simulator) which would seem to be in the light industrial category, does EMC (CE) certification through the TECHNICAL CONSTRUCTION FILE path require NOTIFIED BODY or COMPETENT BODY involvement? Thanks Ed Janzen EMC Engineer CAE Electronics Montreal, Canada E-mail: jan...@cae.ca
ratings
Does anyone have any information or source regarding a fire service ratings for siren systems. Sandy
Re: China contact
Dear Andy, Please refer to the following for your information. I got this information through this emc-pstc few weeks ago. Good luck to you. CCEE (China Commission for Conformity Certification) Tel : 86-1068336219 Fax : 86-1068360907 SAIC (State Administration of Import and Export Commodity Inspection of the People's Republic of China) Tel : 86-10-6500-7744 China Quality certification Centre for Imprt Export Commodities Tel : 86-10-6599-4495 Fax : 86-10-6599-4312 Mr. Cao Shi or Liu Wei Jun CESI (Chinese Electronics Standardization Institute) Tel : 86-1-401-2601 Fax : 86-1-401-2687 Good luck to you Ryan Kim / President of Haitong EMC in Korea -- Your original message - -- º¸³½ »ç¶÷: White, Andy an...@roverpost.dundee.ncr.com ¹Þ´Â »ç¶÷: 'emc-pstc' emc-p...@ieee.org Á¦¸ñ: China contact ³¯Â¥: 1998³â 1¿ù 21ÀÏ ¼ö¿äÀÏ ¿ÀÈÄ 6:29 I am looking for a contact name, tel number, e-mail, web for EMC certification/regulations in China. Can anyone help? thanks in advance Andy White Senior EMC Engineer NCR FSG Scotland
IEC 204 AC Supplies spec
PSNet IEC 201-1: 1992 1997. as well as EN 60204... Clause 4.3 (continues) to specify the usual general requirements to be expected from the power delivered to the UUT by a power utility. The equipment is expected to operate under these conditions. This means that these disruptions will not interfere with the normal operation of the machine in any manner which would result in malfunctioning of the machine including where a failure can have serious economic consequences. Additionally, the equipment shall be designed to operate correctly under full load as well as no load conditions when these AC supply interruptions occur. Further, the purchaser may specify changes or additions to the requirements as laid out (e.g. whenever custom built equipment is purchased). For series manufactured equipment (not custom built) the manufacturer agrees to meet these conditions when they claim conformance to 204. I usually recommend that they include the list of usual operating conditions (from Annex B) in the manual to clearly delineate the operating requirements for the power supplied (along with a lot of other normal conditions). My experience is that most equipment will meet these requirements and that equipment manufacturer's do not usually seek exceptions to the requirements as listed in 204. I guess that they do not want the hassle of dealing with their customers in asking for a special AC supply when all of the rest of the whole world works off of what is available. I'm sure that there are exceptions, and we'll hear from some of those folks here. As far as evaluator to these requirements, most electronic power supplies available for testing (the type that provide for variable frequency (usually ~50Hz to ~440Hz) and variable voltage (~90V to ~250V for single phase equipment), etc. either have a built in capability to performs such supply interruptions or allow for external signals to be supplied to do so. Common units are 3 phase input with a single phase or 3 phase output up to 8 or 9kW. Most EMC labs have line generators with variable input conditions which can also provide these conditions. - - - - - Peter E Perkins Principal Product Safety Consultant Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 +1/503/452-1201 phone/fax p.perk...@ieee.org email visit our website: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/peperkins - - - - -
Re: NSA tests services
Benoit Nadeau wrote: Bonjour de Montreal, I am presently looking for an outside test laboratory that is capable of performing a Normalized Site Attenuation test according to the latest version of CISPR22, ANSI C63.4 and the 1997 edition of the VCCI requirements (with a 80 MHz tuned dipole from 30 to 80 MHz). We have two sites to qualify, a 3 meters (5 meters height) semi-anechoic chamber and an all-weather 10 meters Open Area Test Site. Matrox is located in Dorval (Quebec) Canada on the Montreal island (5 Km north of Dorval airport). Can anybody can guide me to providers of that type of services or share some experiences (good or bad). Thank you in advance, - Benoit Nadeau, ing. M.ing. (P.eng., M.eng) Gerant du Groupe Conformite (Conformity Group Manager) Matrox http://www.matrox.com/ - 1055, boul. St-Regis Dorval (Quebec) Canada H9P 2T4 Tel : (514) 969-6000 (x2475) FAX : (514) 969-6275 Internet : bnad...@matrox.com, mailto:bnad...@matrox.com EMC Compliance Management Group can help you calibrate your sites in question. In fact, we just successfully completed an NSA on our own 3 meter anechoic chamber in Mountain View, CA. according to the specs you mentioned in your e-mail to the emc-pstc. We have many years experience in this field. Please e-mail me direct. Best Regards, - Michael J. Azar Senior Program Manager EMC Compliance Management Group--Your EMC Department-- -- 650-988-0900 650-988-6647 mja...@emc-turntech.com http://www.emc-turntech.com
Re: Strange specification (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:08:24 -0800 (PST) From: m...@global.california.com To: John Harrington jharring...@ktl.co.uk Subject: Re: Strange specification On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, John Harrington wrote: Dear all We have recently been asked to perform magnetic VDT measurements to MPR II (1990:8). Does any one know of this specification or even what a VDT measurement is? Any help or hints greatly appreciated John Harrington EMC Group Manager, KTL Telephone : +44 (0) 1482 801801 Fax : +44 (0) 1482 801806 email : jharring...@ktl.co.uk Sweden instituted these rules regarding VDT's (Visual Display Terminals) As I recall, it covers quite a bit of performance specifications but the one of main interest is the magnetic field emanations, called emf. Back in the late 80's there was tremendous concern that people suddenly sitting in front of terminals would be continuously exposed to excess magnetic fields, etc. The bands of interest cover the vertical rates and the horizontal rates of the VDT and measurement techniques and equipment is *very* well defined. It is my understanding that the limits of magnetic field are based upon an epidemiological investigation which correlated cancer rates to field exposures from power lines. This study showed that when fields were less than As I recall, the fields are limited to an rms value of 200 nanoTeslas in the band 5Hz to 2KHz and 20 nanoTeslas in the band of 2KHz to 400KHz. Several measurements are taken around the VDT at specified distances. I've a copy of MPR II if you absolutely need it. But I'm sure the Sweden can send you a copy directly. Also, Combinova (I think it is) makes the equipment capable of making these measurements. - Robert -
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Re: China contact
Andy, Try the CCEE (China Commission for Conformity Certification of Electrical Equipment) Telephone # +86(10)68336219 Fax# +86(10)68360907 Good luck Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer P.E. Applied Biosystems marti...@perkin-elmer.com __ Reply Separator _ Subject: China contact Author: White, Andy an...@roverpost.dundee.ncr.com at INTERNET List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:1/21/98 9:38 AM I am looking for a contact name, tel number, e-mail, web for EMC certification/regulations in China. Can anyone help? thanks in advance Andy White Senior EMC Engineer NCR FSG Scotland
