Re: Internet port in test equipment

[Barry Ma]

Hi Eric,

Thanks for reminding us of checking Safety issues of Ethernet port.

I have a few questions about the Ethernet port:

1. A phone line port has to comply with related regulations in Telecom world. 
In my recollection, PC industry just added an Immunity requirement to the phone 
line port. (It is included in EN55024?) But Ethernet can be converted to phone 
line through an adapter. Is there a similar immunity requirement for the 
Ethernet port in test equipment? If not, should it be added to EN61326?

2. You are right when saying, “shielded network cable will at least direct a 
significant portion the surge or transient energy to the ground system”. But I 
don’t think we are allowed to waive EN61000-4-6 for ports with shielded cable. 
(We can waive I/O ports with less than 3 meter cable.) The purpose of test 
method defined in EN61000-4-6 is to induce common-mode RF current flowing 
through the EUT. The EUT does not have direct grounding points in the test. As 
a matter of fact, EN61000-4-6 specifies how to test shielded cable. Please 
refer to Fig. 8b – Definition of a common-mode point with screened cables.

Regards,
Barry Ma

On Thu, 13 July 2000, eric.lif...@ni.com wrote:

Barry et al,
 
Certainly, we're adding more Ethernet based data acquisition and control 
products all the time.

The applicable EMC standard is still the relatively new product family standard 
EN 61326-1, with it's counterpart for safety EN 61010-1.

The Ethernet port has overvoltage features that should be checked (creapage, 
clearance, dielectric strength) that I suspect many folks neglect to do.

We call for the use of shielded CAT 5 cable for our latest products being 
tested to EN 61326-1.

A desktop computer is not too painful to replace after a damaging surge event 
enters the enclosure on unshielded cable, an instrument like yours/ours at many 
times the cost (plus the loss of it's use) is another matter.  The hope is that 
shielded network cable will at least direct a significant portion the surge or 
transient energy to the ground system; or maybe to a less costly device 
elsewhere (like the local network hub).

And, a hard benefit to ignore is that in EN 61326-1 the 61000-4-6 RF test is 
waived for I/O ports if you specify to the customer the use of shielded cable. 
So shielded cable also saves us a lot of test time.  (I wonder if this tidbit 
will provoke another thread denouncing EN 61326-1?  Poor EN 55024 guys.)

By the way, I think the brain chip has a standard now, they call it BlueSkull  
:)
 
 Best Regards,
 Eric Lifsey
 National Instruments
  

Thanks.
Best Regards,
Barry Ma
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RE: Implanted IC in brain

[Angus McGill (Cascade Engineering Svcs, Inc.)]

I would hope for a new EMC standard.  Can you imagine being the "host" for
testing this IC under EN55024?

-Original Message-
From: Regan Arndt [mailto:regan_ar...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 1:11 PM
To: k...@nortelnetworks.com; mpeder...@midcom-inc.com;
barry...@altavista.com; emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Implanted IC in brain



I hope that this era falls into the category of medical equipment using IEC 
601.
I hate to see 950 get rearranged again.  I experienced enough grief with 225

being assimilated into 950.  

Regan Arndt
ITE & Telecomm Safety Specialist


>From: "Kazimier Gawrzyjal" 
>Reply-To: "Kazimier Gawrzyjal" 
>To: "'Mel Pedersen'" ,"'Barry Ma'" 
>, EMC-PSTC 
>Subject: RE: Implanted IC in brain
>Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:55:55 -0400
>
>Greetings,
>
>Interesting topic
>
>Personally if forced to choose, I'd place my money on the recent advances
>announced by the genetics community to get my great-grand kids to the
>"enhanced" state of humanity as opposed to a chip set in the old
>noodlemy thoughts will continue to be my own and not accessible by the
>crackers of tomorrow via the wireless web concept.
>
>Seems some form of operating system would be required to get the web
>interface runninganyone have that much faith in the existing options
>today as to load up some software in your noggin??  Hopefully airline 
>pilots
>will be excluded from this vision of the future else face at least one 
>crash
>per week.Can you go to "Bob's Headshop" for some aftermarket knock-off
>parts?
>
>Does UL 1950 cl. 1.1.2 and 1.1.3 allow for added abnormals?
>
>My 2 Cents and not those of my current employer.
>Kaz Gawrzyjal
>Safety Guy
>nortel networks
>k...@nortelnetworks.com
>k...@hotmail.com
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Mel Pedersen [mailto:mpeder...@midcom-inc.com]
>Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 10:54 AM
>To: 'Barry Ma'; EMC-PSTC
>Subject: RE: Implanted IC in brain
>
>
>
>Hello:
>
>I believe we should consider what precedents the Medical Equipment 
>community
>has laid out hereat least as a startIEC 60601, FDA regs, etc
>
>these address safety concerns for implanted.
>
>Just my humble thoughts on the matter.
>
>- Mel
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Barry Ma [mailto:barry...@altavista.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 7:14 PM
>To: EMC-PSTC
>Subject: Implanted IC in brain
>
>
>
>Hi,
>
>It seems not a pure friction to implant intelligent IC into human brains.
>Some people made prediction about this new breed of human being. Some are
>talking about downloading certain virtual sense from Internet. ... Let's 
>put
>aside the feasibility and focus only on related EMC/Safety concerns.
>
>1. If there going to be a wireless access from human brain to Internet, do
>we have the same Safety concern as cellular phone?
>2. It would also be possible to directly communicate each other via brain
>ICs. We don't have to exchange thoughts by means of any language (spoken 
>and
>written) or eye contact. ...  Should we have EMC standards to regulate the
>emission level of brain waves and immunity capability for brain ICs?
>
>Thanks.
>Best Regards,
>Barry Ma
>ANRITSUwww.anritsu.com
>Morgan Hill, CA 95037
>Tel. 408-778-2000 x 4465
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RE: Implanted IC in brain

[CARTER]

If the IC contains a Voice/Fax/data modem type device, where will they
implant the paper & toner for the fax? And what Safety (& environmental)
issues will that raise?
This is all very disconcerting. 

-Original Message-
From: Grant, Tania (Tania) [mailto:tgr...@lucent.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 2:32 PM
To: EMC PSTC; Barry Ma; 'Anil Allamaneni'
Subject: RE: Implanted IC in brain




Years ago, one of the storage devices at the company I worked for, had a
motor-start capacitor on the AC fan (that's how long ago it was!).   This
fan was an alternate vendor and we did not have many of them, and
"conveniently", this particular fan was not part of the configuration that
went through EMC testing.Guess what!   We received a complaint from one
of our customers that the heart monitor tapes that were sent back from
patients to this medical facility were being wiped out when placed on top of
our desk-high storage device.   (Yes, they should not have used our product
as a convenient shelf, but  there are no excuses!)

We traced this back to the magnetic interference of this particular
motor-start capacitor, and promptly purged these fans, apologized to the
customer, sent replacements, etc.  

Yes, --   If we start implanting devices, we must make sure that we not wipe
out another implanted device.   This regulatory game can get very
interesting!
 
Tania Grant, tgr...@lucent.com  
Lucent Technologies, Intelligent Network Unit
Messaging Solutions Group


--
From:  Anil Allamaneni [SMTP:a...@acc.com]
Sent:  Wednesday, July 12, 2000 9:26 PM
To:  EMC PSTC; Barry Ma
Subject:  RE: Implanted IC in brain


I remember reading the news article about the British Professor who
installed a chip in his forearm to control the doors, appliances etc in his
house. Always wondered if he went through some kind of testing. It would not
be far-fetched to imagine the time when people would consider wrist-watches,
PDAs et al, too bulky to carry around and would rather prefer implanted
versions of the same. Close interaction between the physicians and EMC guys
is very possible in the near future as doctors and EMI guys try to fix
people who are failing the limits or are causing neighbor's computer (or
neighbors) to crash etc...etc.

The approvals/compliance field is getting very complicated 













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From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf
Of Barry Ma
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 5:14 PM
To: EMC-PSTC
Subject: Implanted IC in brain



Hi,

It seems not a pure friction to implant intelligent IC into human brains.
Some people made prediction about this new breed of human being. Some are
talking about downloading certain virtual sense from Internet. ... Let's put
aside the feasibility and focus only on related EMC/Safety concerns.

1. If there going to be a wireless access from human brain to Internet, do
we have the same Safety concern as cellular phone?
2. It would also be possible to directly communicate each other via brain
ICs. We don't have to exchange thoughts by means of any language (spoken and
written) or eye contact. ...  Should we have EMC standards to regulate the
emission level of brain waves and immunity capability for brain ICs?

Thanks.
Best Regards,
Barry Ma
ANRITSUwww.anritsu.com
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
Tel. 408-778-2000 x 4465
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RE: Implanted IC in brain

[Regan Arndt]

I hope that this era falls into the category of medical equipment using IEC 
601.
I hate to see 950 get rearranged again.  I experienced enough grief with 225 
being assimilated into 950.  


Regan Arndt
ITE & Telecomm Safety Specialist



From: "Kazimier Gawrzyjal" 
Reply-To: "Kazimier Gawrzyjal" 
To: "'Mel Pedersen'" ,"'Barry Ma'" 
, EMC-PSTC 

Subject: RE: Implanted IC in brain
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:55:55 -0400

Greetings,

Interesting topic

Personally if forced to choose, I'd place my money on the recent advances
announced by the genetics community to get my great-grand kids to the
"enhanced" state of humanity as opposed to a chip set in the old
noodlemy thoughts will continue to be my own and not accessible by the
crackers of tomorrow via the wireless web concept.

Seems some form of operating system would be required to get the web
interface runninganyone have that much faith in the existing options
today as to load up some software in your noggin??  Hopefully airline 
pilots
will be excluded from this vision of the future else face at least one 
crash

per week.Can you go to "Bob's Headshop" for some aftermarket knock-off
parts?

Does UL 1950 cl. 1.1.2 and 1.1.3 allow for added abnormals?

My 2 Cents and not those of my current employer.
Kaz Gawrzyjal
Safety Guy
nortel networks
k...@nortelnetworks.com
k...@hotmail.com

-Original Message-
From: Mel Pedersen [mailto:mpeder...@midcom-inc.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 10:54 AM
To: 'Barry Ma'; EMC-PSTC
Subject: RE: Implanted IC in brain



Hello:

I believe we should consider what precedents the Medical Equipment 
community

has laid out hereat least as a startIEC 60601, FDA regs, etc

these address safety concerns for implanted.

Just my humble thoughts on the matter.

- Mel

-Original Message-
From: Barry Ma [mailto:barry...@altavista.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 7:14 PM
To: EMC-PSTC
Subject: Implanted IC in brain



Hi,

It seems not a pure friction to implant intelligent IC into human brains.
Some people made prediction about this new breed of human being. Some are
talking about downloading certain virtual sense from Internet. ... Let's 
put

aside the feasibility and focus only on related EMC/Safety concerns.

1. If there going to be a wireless access from human brain to Internet, do
we have the same Safety concern as cellular phone?
2. It would also be possible to directly communicate each other via brain
ICs. We don't have to exchange thoughts by means of any language (spoken 
and

written) or eye contact. ...  Should we have EMC standards to regulate the
emission level of brain waves and immunity capability for brain ICs?

Thanks.
Best Regards,
Barry Ma
ANRITSUwww.anritsu.com
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
Tel. 408-778-2000 x 4465
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RE: Implanted IC in brain

[Kazimier Gawrzyjal]

Greetings,

Interesting topic

Personally if forced to choose, I'd place my money on the recent advances
announced by the genetics community to get my great-grand kids to the
"enhanced" state of humanity as opposed to a chip set in the old
noodlemy thoughts will continue to be my own and not accessible by the
crackers of tomorrow via the wireless web concept.

Seems some form of operating system would be required to get the web
interface runninganyone have that much faith in the existing options
today as to load up some software in your noggin??  Hopefully airline pilots
will be excluded from this vision of the future else face at least one crash
per week.Can you go to "Bob's Headshop" for some aftermarket knock-off
parts?

Does UL 1950 cl. 1.1.2 and 1.1.3 allow for added abnormals?

My 2 Cents and not those of my current employer.
Kaz Gawrzyjal
Safety Guy
nortel networks
k...@nortelnetworks.com
k...@hotmail.com

-Original Message-
From: Mel Pedersen [mailto:mpeder...@midcom-inc.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 10:54 AM
To: 'Barry Ma'; EMC-PSTC
Subject: RE: Implanted IC in brain



Hello:

I believe we should consider what precedents the Medical Equipment community
has laid out hereat least as a startIEC 60601, FDA regs, etc

these address safety concerns for implanted.

Just my humble thoughts on the matter.

- Mel

-Original Message-
From: Barry Ma [mailto:barry...@altavista.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 7:14 PM
To: EMC-PSTC
Subject: Implanted IC in brain



Hi,

It seems not a pure friction to implant intelligent IC into human brains.
Some people made prediction about this new breed of human being. Some are
talking about downloading certain virtual sense from Internet. ... Let's put
aside the feasibility and focus only on related EMC/Safety concerns.

1. If there going to be a wireless access from human brain to Internet, do
we have the same Safety concern as cellular phone?
2. It would also be possible to directly communicate each other via brain
ICs. We don't have to exchange thoughts by means of any language (spoken and
written) or eye contact. ...  Should we have EMC standards to regulate the
emission level of brain waves and immunity capability for brain ICs?

Thanks.
Best Regards,
Barry Ma
ANRITSUwww.anritsu.com
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
Tel. 408-778-2000 x 4465
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RE: Implanted IC in brain

[Grant, Tania (Tania)]

Years ago, one of the storage devices at the company I worked for, had a
motor-start capacitor on the AC fan (that's how long ago it was!).   This
fan was an alternate vendor and we did not have many of them, and
"conveniently", this particular fan was not part of the configuration that
went through EMC testing.Guess what!   We received a complaint from one
of our customers that the heart monitor tapes that were sent back from
patients to this medical facility were being wiped out when placed on top of
our desk-high storage device.   (Yes, they should not have used our product
as a convenient shelf, but  there are no excuses!)

We traced this back to the magnetic interference of this particular
motor-start capacitor, and promptly purged these fans, apologized to the
customer, sent replacements, etc.  

Yes, --   If we start implanting devices, we must make sure that we not wipe
out another implanted device.   This regulatory game can get very
interesting!
 
Tania Grant, tgr...@lucent.com  
Lucent Technologies, Intelligent Network Unit
Messaging Solutions Group


--
From:  Anil Allamaneni [SMTP:a...@acc.com]
Sent:  Wednesday, July 12, 2000 9:26 PM
To:  EMC PSTC; Barry Ma
Subject:  RE: Implanted IC in brain


I remember reading the news article about the British Professor who
installed a chip in his forearm to control the doors, appliances etc in his
house. Always wondered if he went through some kind of testing. It would not
be far-fetched to imagine the time when people would consider wrist-watches,
PDAs et al, too bulky to carry around and would rather prefer implanted
versions of the same. Close interaction between the physicians and EMC guys
is very possible in the near future as doctors and EMI guys try to fix
people who are failing the limits or are causing neighbor's computer (or
neighbors) to crash etc...etc.

The approvals/compliance field is getting very complicated 













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Of Barry Ma
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 5:14 PM
To: EMC-PSTC
Subject: Implanted IC in brain



Hi,

It seems not a pure friction to implant intelligent IC into human brains.
Some people made prediction about this new breed of human being. Some are
talking about downloading certain virtual sense from Internet. ... Let's put
aside the feasibility and focus only on related EMC/Safety concerns.

1. If there going to be a wireless access from human brain to Internet, do
we have the same Safety concern as cellular phone?
2. It would also be possible to directly communicate each other via brain
ICs. We don't have to exchange thoughts by means of any language (spoken and
written) or eye contact. ...  Should we have EMC standards to regulate the
emission level of brain waves and immunity capability for brain ICs?

Thanks.
Best Regards,
Barry Ma
ANRITSUwww.anritsu.com
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
Tel. 408-778-2000 x 4465
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RE: Implanted IC in brain

[Mel Pedersen]

Hello:

I believe we should consider what precedents the Medical Equipment community
has laid out hereat least as a startIEC 60601, FDA regs, etc

these address safety concerns for implanted.

Just my humble thoughts on the matter.

- Mel

-Original Message-
From: Barry Ma [mailto:barry...@altavista.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 7:14 PM
To: EMC-PSTC
Subject: Implanted IC in brain



Hi,

It seems not a pure friction to implant intelligent IC into human brains.
Some people made prediction about this new breed of human being. Some are
talking about downloading certain virtual sense from Internet. ... Let's put
aside the feasibility and focus only on related EMC/Safety concerns.

1. If there going to be a wireless access from human brain to Internet, do
we have the same Safety concern as cellular phone?
2. It would also be possible to directly communicate each other via brain
ICs. We don't have to exchange thoughts by means of any language (spoken and
written) or eye contact. ...  Should we have EMC standards to regulate the
emission level of brain waves and immunity capability for brain ICs?

Thanks.
Best Regards,
Barry Ma
ANRITSUwww.anritsu.com
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
Tel. 408-778-2000 x 4465
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Procedure for Standardization of a New Telecom Interface

[Peter Merguerian]

Dear All,

1. What is the step by step procedure to standardize internationally a new
telecom interface?

2. How long does it take to standardize a telecom interface?

3. Is there someone professional out there who can help in this matter?


Thanks and Regards


Peter Merguerian
Managing Director
Product Testing Division
I.T.L. (Product Testing) Ltd.
Hacharoshet 26, POB 211
Or Yehuda 60251, Israel

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Re: Internet port in test equipment

[eric . lifsey]

Barry et al,

Certainly, we're adding more Ethernet based data acquisition and control
products all the time.

The applicable EMC standard is still the relatively new product family standard
EN 61326-1, with it's counterpart for safety EN 61010-1.

The Ethernet port has overvoltage features that should be checked (creapage,
clearance, dielectric strength) that I suspect many folks neglect to do.

We call for the use of shielded CAT 5 cable for our latest products being tested
to EN 61326-1.

A desktop computer is not too painful to replace after a damaging surge event
enters the enclosure on unshielded cable, an instrument like yours/ours at many
times the cost (plus the loss of it's use) is another matter.  The hope is that
shielded network cable will at least direct a signifficant portion the surge or
transient energy to the ground system; or maybe to a less costly device
elsewhere (like the local network hub).

And, a hard benefit to ignore is that in EN 61326-1 the 61000-4-6 RF test is
waived for I/O ports if you specify to the customer the use of shielded cable.
So shielded cable also saves us a lot of test time.  (I wonder if this tidbit
will provoke another thread denouncing EN 61326-1?  Poor EN 55024 guys.)

Bytheway, I think the brain chip has a standard now, they call it BlueSkull  :)

Best Regards,
Eric Lifsey
National Instruments




Please respond to "Barry Ma" 

To:   EMC-PSTC 
cc:(bcc: Eric Lifsey/AUS/NIC)

Subject:  Internet port in test equipment




Hi,

I just read an article:

Oscilloscopes plug into the Internet
- A new breed of scopes adopts an "information anywhere" approach with open
access to applications, interfaces, and network communications

http://electronicproducts.com/ShowPage.asp?SECTION=3700&PRIMID=&FileName=JULTEK1.jul2000



I have a question. It's possible to see more and more test instruments having
Internet access. Do we have relevent EMC standard regulating the network
connecting port in the test instrument?


Thanks.
Best Regards,
Barry Ma
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Morgan Hill, CA 95037
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RE: Implanted IC in brain

[Moore, Chan]

Hi Everyone: I have several candidates.
Chan

-Original Message-
From: Price, Ed [mailto:ed.pr...@cubic.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 6:45 AM
To: EMC-PSTC
Subject: RE: Implanted IC in brain







> -Original Message-
> From: Barry Ma [mailto:barry...@altavista.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 5:14 PM
> To: EMC-PSTC
> Subject: Implanted IC in brain
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> It seems not a pure friction to implant intelligent IC into 
> human brains. Some people made prediction about this new 
> breed of human being. Some are talking about downloading 
> certain virtual sense from Internet. ... Let's put aside the 
> feasibility and focus only on related EMC/Safety concerns.
> 
> 1. If there going to be a wireless access from human brain to 
> Internet, do we have the same Safety concern as cellular phone?
> 2. It would also be possible to directly communicate each 
> other via brain ICs. We don't have to exchange thoughts by 
> means of any language (spoken and written) or eye contact. 
> ...  Should we have EMC standards to regulate the emission 
> level of brain waves and immunity capability for brain ICs?
> 
> Thanks.
> Best Regards,
> Barry Ma
> ANRITSUwww.anritsu.com
> Morgan Hill, CA 95037
> Tel. 408-778-2000 x 4465

The biggest problem is the device-to-brain interface, both hardware and
software. For interbrain communication, we are still at the point of not
knowing what to plug where.

Once we figure out what constitutes the "bits" of thought, then we can worry
about the IO port. Since the head is a messy place to do an implant, maybe
we can more easily tap a nerve bundle in the neck or an extremity. Initial
efforts may require the dedication of that nerve bundle to the new IO
function. You may be faced with choosing which extremity function you wish
to give up to accommodate the new IO. Hmm, sounds like DOS!

In any case, the first really big money will come from virtual
entertainment. Personally, I hope to be able to have my money with the guys
who write the first firewall code.

Ed


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RE: Implanted IC in brain

[Price, Ed]

> -Original Message-
> From: Barry Ma [mailto:barry...@altavista.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 5:14 PM
> To: EMC-PSTC
> Subject: Implanted IC in brain
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> It seems not a pure friction to implant intelligent IC into 
> human brains. Some people made prediction about this new 
> breed of human being. Some are talking about downloading 
> certain virtual sense from Internet. ... Let's put aside the 
> feasibility and focus only on related EMC/Safety concerns.
> 
> 1. If there going to be a wireless access from human brain to 
> Internet, do we have the same Safety concern as cellular phone?
> 2. It would also be possible to directly communicate each 
> other via brain ICs. We don't have to exchange thoughts by 
> means of any language (spoken and written) or eye contact. 
> ...  Should we have EMC standards to regulate the emission 
> level of brain waves and immunity capability for brain ICs?
> 
> Thanks.
> Best Regards,
> Barry Ma
> ANRITSUwww.anritsu.com
> Morgan Hill, CA 95037
> Tel. 408-778-2000 x 4465

The biggest problem is the device-to-brain interface, both hardware and
software. For interbrain communication, we are still at the point of not
knowing what to plug where.

Once we figure out what constitutes the "bits" of thought, then we can worry
about the IO port. Since the head is a messy place to do an implant, maybe
we can more easily tap a nerve bundle in the neck or an extremity. Initial
efforts may require the dedication of that nerve bundle to the new IO
function. You may be faced with choosing which extremity function you wish
to give up to accommodate the new IO. Hmm, sounds like DOS!

In any case, the first really big money will come from virtual
entertainment. Personally, I hope to be able to have my money with the guys
who write the first firewall code.

Ed


:-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-)
Ed  Price
ed.pr...@cubic.com
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Cubic Defense Systems
San Diego, CA.  USA
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858-505-1583 (Fax)
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Shake-Bake-Shock - Metrology - Reliability Analysis
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Re: Implanted IC in brain

[Robert Johnson]

It's just another new product. We'll have to work out the bugs.
After all, we already have ICs implanted in our hearts, or at least nearby 
(pacemakers and defibrillators), and in our ears (cochlear implants). It'll be 
useful to have a calculator at the ready. I wonder if we'll choose algebraic or 
RPN. GPS (global positioning)  will also be nice, and MP3. I'll
be browsing Dilbert cartoons during boring meetings (although a chuckle may 
give me away). From BlueTooth to LavenderLobe? Obviously, the distractions and 
interruptions we have with the use of cellphones will be even more a problem. 
It will be interesting to have the highway patrol trying to
police this one.
Of course language will still be an issue. Computers communicate with a 
language even if it is not auditory. Will the default be English? HTML? English 
will be the first and most common as these channels open. It will be a while 
before you can get an implant with Swahili.

Barry Ma wrote:

> Hi,
>
> It seems not a pure friction to implant intelligent IC into human brains. 
> Some people made prediction about this new breed of human being. Some are 
> talking about downloading certain virtual sense from Internet. ... Let’s put 
> aside the feasibility and focus only on related EMC/Safety concerns.
>
> 1. If there going to be a wireless access from human brain to Internet, do we 
> have the same Safety concern as cellular phone?
> 2. It would also be possible to directly communicate each other via brain 
> ICs. We don’t have to exchange thoughts by means of any language (spoken and 
> written) or eye contact. ...  Should we have EMC standards to regulate the 
> emission level of brain waves and immunity capability for brain ICs?
>
> Thanks.
> Best Regards,
> Barry Ma
> ANRITSUwww.anritsu.com
> Morgan Hill, CA 95037
> Tel. 408-778-2000 x 4465
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Re: Implanted IC in brain

[Anil Allamaneni]

Faraday Cage.



- Original Message -
From: 
To: Barry Ma 
Cc: EMC-PSTC 
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: Implanted IC in brain


>
>
> What happens if someone fails???  Do we put them in a cage?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Barry Ma"  on 07/12/2000 08:14:02 PM
>
> Please respond to "Barry Ma" 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  To:  EMC-PSTC 
>
>  cc:  (bcc: Lisa Cefalo/US/MKS)
>
>
>
>  Subject: Implanted IC in brain
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> It seems not a pure friction to implant intelligent IC into human brains.
Some
> people made prediction about this new breed of human being. Some are talking
> about downloading certain virtual sense from Internet. ... Let


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Æs put aside the
feasibility and focus only on related EMC/Safety concerns.

1. If there going to be a wireless access from human brain to Internet, do we
have the same Safety concern as cellular phone?
2. It would also be possible to directly communicate each other via brain ICs.
We don


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>


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Æt have to exchange thoughts by means of any language (spoken and written)
or eye contact. ...  Should we have EMC standards to regulate the emission
level
of brain waves and immunity capability for brain ICs?

Thanks.
Best Regards,
Barry Ma
ANRITSUwww.anritsu.com
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
Tel. 408-778-2000 x 4465
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Re: Implanted IC in brain

[Lisa_Cefalo]

What happens if someone fails???  Do we put them in a cage?







"Barry Ma"  on 07/12/2000 08:14:02 PM

Please respond to "Barry Ma" 





  
  
  
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Hi,

It seems not a pure friction to implant intelligent IC into human brains. Some
people made prediction about this new breed of human being. Some are talking
about downloading certain virtual sense from Internet. ... Let
Æs put aside the
feasibility and focus only on related EMC/Safety concerns.

1. If there going to be a wireless access from human brain to Internet, do we
have the same Safety concern as cellular phone?
2. It would also be possible to directly communicate each other via brain ICs.
We don
Æt have to exchange thoughts by means of any language (spoken and written)
or eye contact. ...  Should we have EMC standards to regulate the emission level
of brain waves and immunity capability for brain ICs?

Thanks.
Best Regards,
Barry Ma
ANRITSUwww.anritsu.com
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
Tel. 408-778-2000 x 4465
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RE: Implanted IC in brain

[Anil Allamaneni]

I remember reading the news article about the British Professor who
installed a chip in his forearm to control the doors, appliances etc in his
house. Always wondered if he went through some kind of testing. It would not
be far-fetched to imagine the time when people would consider wrist-watches,
PDAs et al, too bulky to carry around and would rather prefer implanted
versions of the same. Close interaction between the physicians and EMC guys
is very possible in the near future as doctors and EMI guys try to fix
people who are failing the limits or are causing neighbor's computer (or
neighbors) to crash etc...etc.

The approvals/compliance field is getting very complicated 













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Of Barry Ma
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 5:14 PM
To: EMC-PSTC
Subject: Implanted IC in brain



Hi,

It seems not a pure friction to implant intelligent IC into human brains.
Some people made prediction about this new breed of human being. Some are
talking about downloading certain virtual sense from Internet. ... Let’s put
aside the feasibility and focus only on related EMC/Safety concerns.

1. If there going to be a wireless access from human brain to Internet, do
we have the same Safety concern as cellular phone?
2. It would also be possible to directly communicate each other via brain
ICs. We don’t have to exchange thoughts by means of any language (spoken and
written) or eye contact. ...  Should we have EMC standards to regulate the
emission level of brain waves and immunity capability for brain ICs?

Thanks.
Best Regards,
Barry Ma
ANRITSUwww.anritsu.com
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
Tel. 408-778-2000 x 4465
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Implanted IC in brain

[Barry Ma]

Hi,

It seems not a pure friction to implant intelligent IC into human brains. Some 
people made prediction about this new breed of human being. Some are talking 
about downloading certain virtual sense from Internet. ... Let’s put aside the 
feasibility and focus only on related EMC/Safety concerns.

1. If there going to be a wireless access from human brain to Internet, do we 
have the same Safety concern as cellular phone?
2. It would also be possible to directly communicate each other via brain ICs. 
We don’t have to exchange thoughts by means of any language (spoken and 
written) or eye contact. ...  Should we have EMC standards to regulate the 
emission level of brain waves and immunity capability for brain ICs?

Thanks.
Best Regards,
Barry Ma
ANRITSUwww.anritsu.com
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
Tel. 408-778-2000 x 4465
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