RE: Typing Shortcuts
Funny how history sort of repeats itself. If there are any ol' morse code senders out their, this should start looking like the Z and Q messages that were sent as abbreviations. qrk qsl qrl meant do you have any messages for me, I am caught up and have to traffic for you. This may be the wrong letters its been many years since I have used any but it still should suffice as an example. My favorite was ZBM2 which asked if you were flying in a cloud cover. Generally sent as an insult. Gary -Original Message- From: kazimier_gawrzy...@dell.com [mailto:kazimier_gawrzy...@dell.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 1:19 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Typing Shortcuts So...who's writing the standard for this stuff? -Original Message- From: Lou Guerin [mailto:lgue...@littlefeet-inc.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 2:30 PM To: 'rehel...@mmm.com'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Typing Shortcuts E-mail Acronyms: When sending off a quick message, these acronyms can help. Don't overuse. 2L8too late AAMOFas a matter of fact AFAIKas far as I know B4Nbye for now BTWby the way CMIIWcorrect me if I'm wrong CULsee you later FWIWfor what it's worth IACin any case IKWUMI know what you mean IMHOin my humble opinion IOWin other words KWIMknow what I mean LOLlaughing out loud NBIFno basis in fact OTOHon the other hand ROTFLrolling on the floor laughing RTFMread the f.. manual SIGspecial interest group TIAthanks in advance TNXthanks TTFNta ta for now found at the following address: http://everythingemail.net/email_glossary.html -Original Message- From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 9:19 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:Typing Shortcuts Over time I have come across many typing shortcuts using the English language, such as: OTOH - on the other hand WRT - with regard to BTW - (I am still trying to figure out this one) Can someone please list the more common ones? I sometimes strain my brain trying to figure them out and they are in my own language. It must be terribly confusing to most of our world-wide colleagues. Thanks, Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list
Useful Typing Shortcuts
To the group, While the thread Re:Typing Shortcuts is quite interesting and entertaining, there is a typing shortcut that is very useful when typing test reports. Instead of repeatedly typing some long title such as Really Big Widget you just type RBW throughout the report. Later you you use the word processor's search and replace function to substitute the actual text. I find that it saves me hundreds of keystrokes in a typical report. Scott B. Lacey Test Engineer --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
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RE: Typing Shortcuts
FUBAR Failed UniBus Address Register [DEC Engineering] F%^ed Up Beyond All Recognition [US military, WWII] FUBARD (past tense of) FUBAR Massey, Doug C. masse...@ems-t.com@majordomo.ieee.org on 06/13/2001 02:14:47 PM Please respond to Massey, Doug C. masse...@ems-t.com Sent by: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org To: 'IEEE Forum' emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org cc: Subject: RE: Typing Shortcuts Here's some - N/A - Not Applicable PCB - Printed Circuit Board PCA - Printed Circuit Assembly ASAP - As Soon As Possible et al - and others e.g. - for example FUBAR - F*@#ed Up Beyond All Repair LMAO - Laughed My A$$ Off e.g, My PM told my FM, et al, that we need the CPU PCA working ASAP, but it failed EMI EMC pre-testing badly, so I told them it was FUBAR and LMAO. By The Way, I know what BTW stands for Doug -Original Message- From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 12:19 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Typing Shortcuts Over time I have come across many typing shortcuts using the English language, such as: OTOH - on the other hand WRT - with regard to BTW - (I am still trying to figure out this one) Can someone please list the more common ones? I sometimes strain my brain trying to figure them out and they are in my own language. It must be terribly confusing to most of our world-wide colleagues. Thanks, Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Typing Shortcuts
After reading the reply below, I have invented a few of my: TIAWSFE(TEE-AUS-FEE) - There is a web site for everything UPHETMTOYH(U-PET-M-TOY) = You people have entirely too much time on your hands Is there an EU Directive for these? Do they need to be translated? Just kidding. My sad attempt at humor.. ~ Sam Wismer Lead Regulatory Engineer/ Radio Approvals Engineer LXE, Inc. (770) 447-4224 Ext. 3654 Visit Our Website at: http://www.ems-t.com http://www.ems-t.com/ -Original Message- From: Joshua Wiseman [mailto:jwise...@printronix.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 2:24 PM To: 'rehel...@mmm.com'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Typing Shortcuts Hi all, Here is a website that you can type in your acronym to get the definition. http://www.ucc.ie/info/net/acronyms/acro.html http://www.ucc.ie/info/net/acronyms/acro.html Josh -Original Message- From: rehel...@mmm.com [ mailto:rehel...@mmm.com mailto:rehel...@mmm.com ] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 9:19 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Typing Shortcuts Over time I have come across many typing shortcuts using the English language, such as: OTOH - on the other hand WRT - with regard to BTW - (I am still trying to figure out this one) Can someone please list the more common ones? I sometimes strain my brain trying to figure them out and they are in my own language. It must be terribly confusing to most of our world-wide colleagues. Thanks, Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, attachment: Sam_Wismer.vcf
RE: Typing Shortcuts
So...who's writing the standard for this stuff? -Original Message- From: Lou Guerin [mailto:lgue...@littlefeet-inc.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 2:30 PM To: 'rehel...@mmm.com'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Typing Shortcuts E-mail Acronyms: When sending off a quick message, these acronyms can help. Don't overuse. 2L8too late AAMOFas a matter of fact AFAIKas far as I know B4Nbye for now BTWby the way CMIIWcorrect me if I'm wrong CULsee you later FWIWfor what it's worth IACin any case IKWUMI know what you mean IMHOin my humble opinion IOWin other words KWIMknow what I mean LOLlaughing out loud NBIFno basis in fact OTOHon the other hand ROTFLrolling on the floor laughing RTFMread the f.. manual SIGspecial interest group TIAthanks in advance TNXthanks TTFNta ta for now found at the following address: http://everythingemail.net/email_glossary.html -Original Message- From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 9:19 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:Typing Shortcuts Over time I have come across many typing shortcuts using the English language, such as: OTOH - on the other hand WRT - with regard to BTW - (I am still trying to figure out this one) Can someone please list the more common ones? I sometimes strain my brain trying to figure them out and they are in my own language. It must be terribly confusing to most of our world-wide colleagues. Thanks, Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Detachable AC Cordset Selection for the EU
Hi Paul -- For practical purposes you have two voltage/current ranges: 100-127V @ max. 12A (if we're including Japan and Mexico) and 200-240V @ max. 10A. You need to make sure that the ratings of appliance coupler, the cordage and the plug meet the local requirements, and that you have any required certifications. If the appliance coupler is rated 15A in all the countries that use 100-127V, and rated 10A in all the ones that use 200-240V, you're done with that part of the problem. (Of course, you might not be so lucky.) Good luck with the remaining 3 aspects of the power cord qualification. Regards, John McBain, Sr. Quality Engineer (408) 919-4886 PLEASE NOTE EMAIL ADDRESS CHANGE: Until June 30 - john_mcb...@hp.com After July 1 - john_mcb...@verifone.com -Original Message- From: Hare, Paul [mailto:ph...@pirus.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 11:42 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Detachable AC Cordset Selection for the EU Hello group, I am in the process of specifying detachable AC cordsets for European distribution of my product. It uses an autoranging power supply (100-240VAC) and is rated for 12 A max with a C14 appliance coupler. I initially thought this would be a trivial task of matching plug and connector variations for each of the EU countries and specifying a 12 A cord. However, it looks like all the cordsets that are generally available with European connectors are rated for 10 A max. I am also lead to believe that the C14 coupler is rated for 15A in North America, but only 10 amps in Europe. Are electrons hotter on the east side of the pond?? Amongst my circle of compliance peers, there seems to be a difference of opinion as to what current rating the cordset should have. I would think that the current rating of any cordset I choose for Europe would need to be rated for 12A (Better safe than sorry, right?). But half of the people I've talked to say, But why? The current will be about half of the 12A max, or 6 amps, due to the higher line voltage. And after all, the mains voltage should be within 10% of nominal!! Therefore a 10A cordset is plenty good! If I had my way, I would special order a 12A cordset (And I guess this would change my appliance coupler?). But, it would be nice if I could buy an off-the-shelf 10A cordset because of pricing and availability issues. Any comments? Thanks in advance, Paul Hare ph...@pirus.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Typing Shortcuts
Somewhere, out there... is a FAQ list on this ( FAQ = Frequently asked questions (and answers) list) One with more time, motivation and web search familiarity can probably find this list. Daren A. Nerad EMC Engineer 815.226.6123 -Original Message- From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 11:19 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Typing Shortcuts Over time I have come across many typing shortcuts using the English language, such as: OTOH - on the other hand WRT - with regard to BTW - (I am still trying to figure out this one) Can someone please list the more common ones? I sometimes strain my brain trying to figure them out and they are in my own language. It must be terribly confusing to most of our world-wide colleagues. Thanks, Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Typing Shortcuts
-Original Message- From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 9:19 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Typing Shortcuts Over time I have come across many typing shortcuts using the English language, such as: OTOH - on the other hand WRT - with regard to BTW - (I am still trying to figure out this one) Can someone please list the more common ones? I sometimes strain my brain trying to figure them out and they are in my own language. It must be terribly confusing to most of our world-wide colleagues. Thanks, Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 AFAIK As Far As I Know IIRCIf I Recall Correctly TANSTAAFL There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch IMNSHO In My Not So Humble Opinion Ed Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Systems San Diego, CA USA 858-505-2780 (Voice) 858-505-1583 (Fax) Military Avionics EMC Services Is Our Specialty Shake-Bake-Shock - Metrology - Reliability Analysis --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Typing Shortcuts
E-mail Acronyms: When sending off a quick message, these acronyms can help. Don't overuse. 2L8too late AAMOFas a matter of fact AFAIKas far as I know B4Nbye for now BTWby the way CMIIWcorrect me if I'm wrong CULsee you later FWIWfor what it's worth IACin any case IKWUMI know what you mean IMHOin my humble opinion IOWin other words KWIMknow what I mean LOLlaughing out loud NBIFno basis in fact OTOHon the other hand ROTFLrolling on the floor laughing RTFMread the f.. manual SIGspecial interest group TIAthanks in advance TNXthanks TTFNta ta for now found at the following address: http://everythingemail.net/email_glossary.html -Original Message- From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 9:19 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:Typing Shortcuts Over time I have come across many typing shortcuts using the English language, such as: OTOH - on the other hand WRT - with regard to BTW - (I am still trying to figure out this one) Can someone please list the more common ones? I sometimes strain my brain trying to figure them out and they are in my own language. It must be terribly confusing to most of our world-wide colleagues. Thanks, Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Typing Shortcuts
But which kind of Mustang? A P-51 or that Ford wannabe? Personally, I've been overtaken by both and the P-51 was much more exciting (especially on short final). Ghery Pettit Intel -Original Message- From: Brewster, Alan [mailto:alan.brews...@novellus.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 11:34 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; 'rehel...@mmm.com' Subject: RE: Typing Shortcuts Bob, I must commend you for opening a can of worms that will both entertain and educate. How about: OBE - Overtaken by events OBAM - Overtaken by a Mustang Regards, Alan Brewster Senior Systems Safety Engineer Novellus Systems, Inc. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Typing Shortcuts
My all time favorite is IHA -- I Hate Acronyms! Richard Hunt Engineering Services Manager Direct: (818) 678-3860 Canoga Perkins Corp. Main:(818) 718-6300 20600 Prairie Street FAX: (818) 678-3760 Chatsworth CA 91311-6008 e-mail: rh...@canoga.com rh...@canoga.com -Original Message- From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 9:19 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:Typing Shortcuts Over time I have come across many typing shortcuts using the English language, such as: OTOH - on the other hand WRT - with regard to BTW - (I am still trying to figure out this one) Can someone please list the more common ones? I sometimes strain my brain trying to figure them out and they are in my own language. It must be terribly confusing to most of our world-wide colleagues. Thanks, Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Detachable AC Cordset Selection for the EU
My old Feller catalog shows a Euro plug rated 16A-250V. It is listed as Type VII G, CEE (7) VII, 16A-250V. It is a three wire (Class I) variety, with two male pins and a female ground socket. Since Feller (HQ in Austria) produces line cord sets, I would guess there are 16A line cord sets available for Europe. George Alspaugh --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Re: Typing Shortcuts
ROTFL = Rolling on the floor laughing. Kurt Marden wo...@sensormatic.com wrote: BTW = by the way LOL - laughing out loud IMHO = in my humble opinion YMMV = your mileage may vary (i.e., you may obtain different results) Richard Woods -- From: rehel...@mmm.com [SMTP:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 12:19 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Typing Shortcuts Over time I have come across many typing shortcuts using the English language, such as: OTOH - on the other hand WRT - with regard to BTW - (I am still trying to figure out this one) Can someone please list the more common ones? I sometimes strain my brain trying to figure them out and they are in my own language. It must be terribly confusing to most of our world-wide colleagues. Thanks, Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, -- Kurt M. Marden Environmental Simulation Lab Manager Curtis-Straus LLC kmar...@curtis-straus.com Laboratory for EMC,Safety Environmental Simulation Lab NEBS,SEMI-S2 and Telecom168 Ayer Rd. 527 Great Road Littleton, MA 01460 Littleton, MA 01460 voice (978) 486-8880 http://www.curtis-straus.comfax (978) 486-0806 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Typing Shortcuts
This link will take you to enough chat abbreviations to keep you busy for weeks http://www.kelseypub.com/irc/abbrev.shtml Jim Allan Manager, Engineering Services Milgo Solutions LLC 1619 N Harrison Parkway Sunrise, FL, 33323 E-mail james_al...@milgo.com Phone (954) 846-3720 Fax (954) 846-5693 -Original Message- From: Andrews, Kurt [SMTP:kandr...@tracewell.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 1:04 PM To: rehel...@mmm.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Typing Shortcuts Here are a few, BTW - by the way IMO - in my opinion IMHO - in my humble opinion IOW - in other words --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Detachable AC Cordset Selection for the EU
Change the current rating to be 12-X A, where X is the current rating at 240V. See Clause 1.7.1 of EN60950. Now you must pick a set of cords that comply with the various sets of voltage and current ratings. A 10A cord will be just fine for the 200-240V portion of the range. Richard Woods -- From: Hare, Paul [SMTP:ph...@pirus.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 2:42 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Detachable AC Cordset Selection for the EU Hello group, I am in the process of specifying detachable AC cordsets for European distribution of my product. It uses an autoranging power supply (100-240VAC) and is rated for 12 A max with a C14 appliance coupler. I initially thought this would be a trivial task of matching plug and connector variations for each of the EU countries and specifying a 12 A cord. However, it looks like all the cordsets that are generally available with European connectors are rated for 10 A max. I am also lead to believe that the C14 coupler is rated for 15A in North America, but only 10 amps in Europe. Are electrons hotter on the east side of the pond?? Amongst my circle of compliance peers, there seems to be a difference of opinion as to what current rating the cordset should have. I would think that the current rating of any cordset I choose for Europe would need to be rated for 12A (Better safe than sorry, right?). But half of the people I've talked to say, But why? The current will be about half of the 12A max, or 6 amps, due to the higher line voltage. And after all, the mains voltage should be within 10% of nominal!! Therefore a 10A cordset is plenty good! If I had my way, I would special order a 12A cordset (And I guess this would change my appliance coupler?). But, it would be nice if I could buy an off-the-shelf 10A cordset because of pricing and availability issues. Any comments? Thanks in advance, Paul Hare ph...@pirus.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Typing Shortcuts
Here's a few more: AAMOF as a matter of fact BBFN bye bye for now BFN bye for now BTW by the way BYKT but you knew that CMIIW correct me if I'm wrong EOL end of lecture FAQ frequently asked question(s) FITB fill in the blank FWIW for what it's worth FYI for your information HTH hope this helps IAC in any case IAE in any event ICL in Christian love IMCO in my considered opinion IMHO in my humble opinion IMNSHO in my not so humble opinion IMO in my opinion IOW in other words LOL lots of luck or laughing out loud MGB may God bless MHOTY my hat's off to you NRN no reply necessary OIC oh, I see OTOH on the other hand ROF rolling on the floor ROFL rolling on the floor laughing ROTFL rolling on the floor laughing RSN real soon now SITD still in the dark TIA thanks in advance TIC tongue in cheek TTYL talk to you later TYVM thank you very much WYSIWYG what you see is what you get G Grinning J Joking L Laughing S Smiling Y Yawning John Bouse Senior Engineer, Compliance PerkinElmer Instruments --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Detachable AC Cordset Selection for the EU
My knee-jerk guess is that you won't be able to find a higher rated cord for Europe. If you do though, it would be nice to know who the vendor is. 10 Amps @ ~200V provides about 2000W. Does your product use this much power? If you really need a rating above 10 Amps, you might consider using a 16A, IEC-309 type plug. Max Kelson Peripherals Engineer Evans Sutherland 600 Komas Drive, Salt Lake City, UT 84158 http://www.es.com/ http://www.es.com/ Telephone: 801-588-7196 / Fax: 801-588-4530 mailto:mkel...@es.com mailto:mkel...@es.com -Original Message- From: Hare, Paul [mailto:ph...@pirus.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 12:42 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:Detachable AC Cordset Selection for the EU Hello group, I am in the process of specifying detachable AC cordsets for European distribution of my product. It uses an autoranging power supply (100-240VAC) and is rated for 12 A max with a C14 appliance coupler. I initially thought this would be a trivial task of matching plug and connector variations for each of the EU countries and specifying a 12 A cord. However, it looks like all the cordsets that are generally available with European connectors are rated for 10 A max. I am also lead to believe that the C14 coupler is rated for 15A in North America, but only 10 amps in Europe. Are electrons hotter on the east side of the pond?? Amongst my circle of compliance peers, there seems to be a difference of opinion as to what current rating the cordset should have. I would think that the current rating of any cordset I choose for Europe would need to be rated for 12A (Better safe than sorry, right?). But half of the people I've talked to say, But why? The current will be about half of the 12A max, or 6 amps, due to the higher line voltage. And after all, the mains voltage should be within 10% of nominal!! Therefore a 10A cordset is plenty good! If I had my way, I would special order a 12A cordset (And I guess this would change my appliance coupler?). But, it would be nice if I could buy an off-the-shelf 10A cordset because of pricing and availability issues. Any comments? Thanks in advance, Paul Hare ph...@pirus.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Typing Shortcuts
Don't know about all the others but BTW is By the way Gary -Original Message- From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 9:19 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Typing Shortcuts Over time I have come across many typing shortcuts using the English language, such as: OTOH - on the other hand WRT - with regard to BTW - (I am still trying to figure out this one) Can someone please list the more common ones? I sometimes strain my brain trying to figure them out and they are in my own language. It must be terribly confusing to most of our world-wide colleagues. Thanks, Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Detachable AC Cordset Selection for the EU
Hello group, I am in the process of specifying detachable AC cordsets for European distribution of my product. It uses an autoranging power supply (100-240VAC) and is rated for 12 A max with a C14 appliance coupler. I initially thought this would be a trivial task of matching plug and connector variations for each of the EU countries and specifying a 12 A cord. However, it looks like all the cordsets that are generally available with European connectors are rated for 10 A max. I am also lead to believe that the C14 coupler is rated for 15A in North America, but only 10 amps in Europe. Are electrons hotter on the east side of the pond?? Amongst my circle of compliance peers, there seems to be a difference of opinion as to what current rating the cordset should have. I would think that the current rating of any cordset I choose for Europe would need to be rated for 12A (Better safe than sorry, right?). But half of the people I've talked to say, But why? The current will be about half of the 12A max, or 6 amps, due to the higher line voltage. And after all, the mains voltage should be within 10% of nominal!! Therefore a 10A cordset is plenty good! If I had my way, I would special order a 12A cordset (And I guess this would change my appliance coupler?). But, it would be nice if I could buy an off-the-shelf 10A cordset because of pricing and availability issues. Any comments? Thanks in advance, Paul Hare ph...@pirus.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Typing Shortcuts
Always got a kick out of that over and out stuff. Over - I am finished transmitting and expect a reply Out - I am finished transmitting and do not expect a reply Well, which is it that you mean? I remember getting beat about the head and shoulders over this one in Army ROTC (more years ago than I want to admit). Ghery Pettit, N6TPT -Original Message- From: oover...@lexmark.com [mailto:oover...@lexmark.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 11:18 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Typing Shortcuts FWIW - HTH A couple of others I have encountered. Not in alphabetical order but more in context order. AFAIK, probably too many to really be beneficial. NRN OO TLA - three letter acronym IAW - in accordance with IMCO - in my considered opinion IMNSHO - in my not so humble opinion FTHP - faster than humanly possible (a little faster than ASAP, usually when marketing wants it) FYI - for your information JTLYK - just to let you know RTSM - read the stupid manual AFAIK - as far as I know OTTOMH - off the top of my head CMIIW - correct me if I'm wrong IOW - in other words FWIW - for what it's worth HTH - hope this helps AAMOF - as a matter of fact AKA - also known as BTDT - been there, done that DGT - don't go there YBS - you´ll be sorry IRL - in real life GMTA - great minds think alike WFM - works for me SITD - still in the dark HHIS- hanging head in shame ROTFL - rolling on the floor laughing FOCL - fell off chair laughing CNP... - continued in next post NRN - no reply necessary OO - over and out (carryover from the two-way radio days) (also my initials) There are also many sites that include the emoticons used to display emotions in connection with a written comment. e.g. : - ) for a smile : - 0 for suprise : - ( for a frown and many others. Just type emoticon into your web searcher and you'll find plenty of sites. Oscar Overton woods%sensormatic@interlock.lexmark.com on 06/13/2001 12:36:26 PM Please respond to woods%sensormatic@interlock.lexmark.com To: emc-pstc%majordomo.ieee@interlock.lexmark.com cc:(bcc: Oscar Overton/Lex/Lexmark) Subject: RE: Typing Shortcuts --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Typing Shortcuts
Bob, I must commend you for opening a can of worms that will both entertain and educate. How about: OBE - Overtaken by events OBAM - Overtaken by a Mustang Regards, Alan Brewster Senior Systems Safety Engineer Novellus Systems, Inc. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Typing Shortcuts
Hi all, Here is a website that you can type in your acronym to get the definition. http://www.ucc.ie/info/net/acronyms/acro.html Josh -Original Message- From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 9:19 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Typing Shortcuts Over time I have come across many typing shortcuts using the English language, such as: OTOH - on the other hand WRT - with regard to BTW - (I am still trying to figure out this one) Can someone please list the more common ones? I sometimes strain my brain trying to figure them out and they are in my own language. It must be terribly confusing to most of our world-wide colleagues. Thanks, Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: EN55022 Radiated Test Set up
I do believe you will find that the test labs will use the center of the turn table as the measurement point. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Typing Shortcuts
FWIW - HTH A couple of others I have encountered. Not in alphabetical order but more in context order. AFAIK, probably too many to really be beneficial. NRN OO TLA - three letter acronym IAW - in accordance with IMCO - in my considered opinion IMNSHO - in my not so humble opinion FTHP - faster than humanly possible (a little faster than ASAP, usually when marketing wants it) FYI - for your information JTLYK - just to let you know RTSM - read the stupid manual AFAIK - as far as I know OTTOMH - off the top of my head CMIIW - correct me if I'm wrong IOW - in other words FWIW - for what it's worth HTH - hope this helps AAMOF - as a matter of fact AKA - also known as BTDT - been there, done that DGT - don't go there YBS - you´ll be sorry IRL - in real life GMTA - great minds think alike WFM - works for me SITD - still in the dark HHIS- hanging head in shame ROTFL - rolling on the floor laughing FOCL - fell off chair laughing CNP... - continued in next post NRN - no reply necessary OO - over and out (carryover from the two-way radio days) (also my initials) There are also many sites that include the emoticons used to display emotions in connection with a written comment. e.g. : - ) for a smile : - 0 for suprise : - ( for a frown and many others. Just type emoticon into your web searcher and you'll find plenty of sites. Oscar Overton woods%sensormatic@interlock.lexmark.com on 06/13/2001 12:36:26 PM Please respond to woods%sensormatic@interlock.lexmark.com To: emc-pstc%majordomo.ieee@interlock.lexmark.com cc:(bcc: Oscar Overton/Lex/Lexmark) Subject: RE: Typing Shortcuts BTW = by the way LOL - laughing out loud IMHO = in my humble opinion YMMV = your mileage may vary (i.e., you may obtain different results) Richard Woods -- From: rehel...@mmm.com [SMTP:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 12:19 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Typing Shortcuts Over time I have come across many typing shortcuts using the English language, such as: OTOH - on the other hand WRT - with regard to BTW - (I am still trying to figure out this one) Can someone please list the more common ones? I sometimes strain my brain trying to figure them out and they are in my own language. It must be terribly confusing to most of our world-wide colleagues. Thanks, Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Typing Shortcuts
Here's some - N/A - Not Applicable PCB - Printed Circuit Board PCA - Printed Circuit Assembly ASAP - As Soon As Possible et al - and others e.g. - for example FUBAR - F*@#ed Up Beyond All Repair LMAO - Laughed My A$$ Off e.g, My PM told my FM, et al, that we need the CPU PCA working ASAP, but it failed EMI EMC pre-testing badly, so I told them it was FUBAR and LMAO. By The Way, I know what BTW stands for Doug -Original Message- From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 12:19 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Typing Shortcuts Over time I have come across many typing shortcuts using the English language, such as: OTOH - on the other hand WRT - with regard to BTW - (I am still trying to figure out this one) Can someone please list the more common ones? I sometimes strain my brain trying to figure them out and they are in my own language. It must be terribly confusing to most of our world-wide colleagues. Thanks, Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Surge Testing of Class II (ungrounded) products
Hi all, Most immunity standards that I've seen (I work from EN 61326-1 in particular) specify a requirement for Line to Line and Line to Ground surges on the AC power lines. Typically, the line to ground test limit is twice as high as the line to line test limit. What is typically done with ungrounded products? Is it. Choice A: All combinations of Line to Line and Line to Ground are tested even though the unit does not connect to the ground pin? Choice B: Only Line to Line surges are applied? I've read through EN 50142 (the BS version of IEC 1000-4-5); and it really doesn't specify either way. My basic instincts tell me that choice B is correct because, if there's no ground connection to complete the line-ground surge circuit; then there's no surge . But, one could reason that choice A is correct by saying that in real life, ungrounded products will be subjected to line to ground surge potentials even if they don't connect to ground. Such products, if poorly designed could have an insulation breakdown between line and ground under the surge potential, or they could be affected by the common mode components of the surge. Anybody care to help interpret, reason out or better yet, quote chapter and verse from a standard that would answer this question? Thanks, !PLEASE NOTE THE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS Chris Maxwell Design Engineer NetTest 6 Rhoads Drive, Building 4 Utica,NY 13502 email: chris.maxw...@nettest.com phone: 315-266-5128 fax: 315-797-8024 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Typing Shortcuts
Here are a few, BTW - by the way IMO - in my opinion IMHO - in my humble opinion IOW - in other words Kurt Andrews Compliance Engineer Tracewell Systems, Inc. 567 Enterprise Drive Westerville, Ohio 43081 voice: 614.846.6175 toll free: 800.848.4525 fax: 614.846.7791 http://www.tracewellsystems.com/ http://www.tracewellsystems.com/ -Original Message- From: rehel...@mmm.com [SMTP:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 12:19 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:Typing Shortcuts Over time I have come across many typing shortcuts using the English language, such as: OTOH - on the other hand WRT - with regard to BTW - (I am still trying to figure out this one) Can someone please list the more common ones? I sometimes strain my brain trying to figure them out and they are in my own language. It must be terribly confusing to most of our world-wide colleagues. Thanks, Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Typing Shortcuts
BTW = by the way LOL - laughing out loud IMHO = in my humble opinion YMMV = your mileage may vary (i.e., you may obtain different results) Richard Woods -- From: rehel...@mmm.com [SMTP:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 12:19 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Typing Shortcuts Over time I have come across many typing shortcuts using the English language, such as: OTOH - on the other hand WRT - with regard to BTW - (I am still trying to figure out this one) Can someone please list the more common ones? I sometimes strain my brain trying to figure them out and they are in my own language. It must be terribly confusing to most of our world-wide colleagues. Thanks, Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Typing Shortcuts
Over time I have come across many typing shortcuts using the English language, such as: OTOH - on the other hand WRT - with regard to BTW - (I am still trying to figure out this one) Can someone please list the more common ones? I sometimes strain my brain trying to figure them out and they are in my own language. It must be terribly confusing to most of our world-wide colleagues. Thanks, Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: EN55022 Radiated Test Set up
Alex, Clause 10.2.1 of CISPR 22:1997 states that: Measurements of the radiated field shall be made with the antenna located at the horizontal distance from the boundary of the EUT as specified in Clause 6 (ie 3 or 10 meters).The boundary of the EUT is defined by an imaginary straight-line periphery describing a simple geometric configuration encompassing the EUT. All ITE intersystem cables and connecting ITE shall be included within the boundary. Draw a square or a circle that that just encompasses your equipment under test. The antenna to EUT distance is the closest edge of the boundary. The test lab probably should move the antenna to meet this distance, however it is customary to use the table top configuration as typical and use the closest edge of the table as the measurement distance. ANSI C63.4:1992 has a similar guideline in which it specifies the closest periphery of the EUT. Regards, Michael Peters mpet...@ieee.org -Original Message- From: Alex McNeil [mailto:alex.mcn...@ingenicofortronic.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 4:27 AM To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' Subject: EN55022 Radiated Test Set up Hi Guys, I have a query regarding how the 3M or 10M emissions set up should be measured. EMC Test Houses seem to appply the measurement of the 3M/10M differently e.g. measurement can be to the front (or rear) edge of the EUT, peripherals and cables setup with Turntable at 0 degrees. This means that at some point during Turntable revolutions the EUT will violate the 3M or 10M rule i.e. the EUT with peripherals and cables will be less than the initial measured distance during turntable movement. Should the 3M/10M be measured to the periphery of the EUT after monitoring the turntable revolution? This would mean that during Turntable movement the 3M or 10M is not violated with peripherals or cables, but also that the centre of the setup is always more than 3M/10M. Any Ideas or better still any simply explained documents (for all EMC test procedures) that spells this out very precisely. Best Regards Alex McNeil --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Agilent EMC analyzer
I would like to thank all the comments you have done about the analyser. With this, I will study this subject with a little more precaution. Technically, this device seems to be very easy to use and with issues that would help (floppy disk, color screen, digital features, etc ...) But the technical support is very desirable, and will be considered with careful in the final decision. Suggestions of any other analyser (up to 3GHz) will be welcome. I think it would be better to send it only to my e-mail. Thanks a lot. Günter J. Maass EMBRACO S.A. -- Encaminhado por Gunter J Maass/BR/Embraco em 13/06/2001 09:55 --- gunter_j_ma...@embraco.com.br@majordomo.ieee.org em 12/06/2001 13:55:50 Favor responder a gunter_j_ma...@embraco.com.br Enviado Por: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Para: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org cc: Assunto: Agilent EMC analyzer Fellows I am looking for a spectrum analyzer for EMC pre-compliance. The Agilent E7401A is an option we are studying. Does someone have any comments about this equipment ? Did someone have experiences with this analyser, and want to share some good or bad aspects ? Thank you all Günter J. Maass EMBRACO S.A. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: EN55022 Radiated Test Set up
Hi, CISPR 22 clause 10.2.1 and Figure 2 really say that you should move antenna back and forth to maintain the specified distance. Words straight-line periphery are selected. However, if this variation is e.g. 0.5 m the effect to the field strength at 10 m is only about half a dB so probably there's nothing to worry. I have never seen anyone moving the antenna in practise. regards, Ari Honkala -Original Message- From: ext Alex McNeil [mailto:alex.mcn...@ingenicofortronic.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 11:27 AM To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' Subject: EN55022 Radiated Test Set up Hi Guys, I have a query regarding how the 3M or 10M emissions set up should be measured. EMC Test Houses seem to appply the measurement of the 3M/10M differently e.g. measurement can be to the front (or rear) edge of the EUT, peripherals and cables setup with Turntable at 0 degrees. This means that at some point during Turntable revolutions the EUT will violate the 3M or 10M rule i.e. the EUT with peripherals and cables will be less than the initial measured distance during turntable movement. Should the 3M/10M be measured to the periphery of the EUT after monitoring the turntable revolution? This would mean that during Turntable movement the 3M or 10M is not violated with peripherals or cables, but also that the centre of the setup is always more than 3M/10M. Any Ideas or better still any simply explained documents (for all EMC test procedures) that spells this out very precisely. Best Regards Alex McNeil --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: EN61000-3-2:2000
You can find all of the official versions and amendments and their DOA, DOP and DOW at the CENELEC web site. http://www.cenelec.org/BASIS/celis/free/project/SF http://www.cenelec.org/BASIS/celis/free/project/SF You will find that the 2000 version has a DOW of 2004-01-01 which means that the 1995 version and its amendments may be used until that time. However, as you have noticed, it may be difficult to find and order the older version. Try searching other suppliers of standards for the 1995 version if that is the version you wish to use. Richard Woods -- From: KC CHAN [PDD] [SMTP:kcc...@hkpc.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:00 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: EN61000-3-2:2000 Hi all I got a question about the correct standard version of EN61000-3-2. According to OJ, the standard that can be used is either EN61000-3-2 : 1995 + A1 + A2 or EN61000-3-2 : 1995 + A1 + A2 + A14 However when I verify the version I have from BSI, it is EN61000-3-2 :2000. BSI told me that this 2000 version is to supersede EN61000-3-2 : 1995 + A1 + A2 + A14. Right now I have difficulties to order the correct one. What I mean the correct one is the version listed in OJ. The older version of EN61000-3-2:1995 is with amendment A12 + A13 +A1 + A2, but A12 and A13 are not listed in OJ. I was questioned by auditor that I should use the correct one, at least I should know what is A12 and A13. Could someone help me out on this? Where can I get the correct version besides BSI? What is this 2000 version? Can I use this 2000 version? Thank you KC Chan --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Re: EN55022 Radiated Test Set up
The distance is measured to the closest point (rotated) of the EUT periphery (including cables) and the mid-point of the antenna. References: * CISPR 16-2, clause 2.6.2.3 * FCC 47 CFR, Part 15, clause 15.31(f) Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 === Alex McNeil alex.mcneil@ingenicofort To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org ronic.com cc: (bcc: Robert E. Heller/US-Corporate/3M/US) Subject: EN55022 Radiated Test Set up 06/13/2001 03:27 AM Please respond to Alex McNeil Hi Guys, I have a query regarding how the 3M or 10M emissions set up should be measured. EMC Test Houses seem to appply the measurement of the 3M/10M differently e.g. measurement can be to the front (or rear) edge of the EUT, peripherals and cables setup with Turntable at 0 degrees. This means that at some point during Turntable revolutions the EUT will violate the 3M or 10M rule i.e. the EUT with peripherals and cables will be less than the initial measured distance during turntable movement. Should the 3M/10M be measured to the periphery of the EUT after monitoring the turntable revolution? This would mean that during Turntable movement the 3M or 10M is not violated with peripherals or cables, but also that the centre of the setup is always more than 3M/10M. Any Ideas or better still any simply explained documents (for all EMC test procedures) that spells this out very precisely. Best Regards Alex McNeil --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
ITE Equipment on Board Ships (Marine)
Dear All, For ITE equipment on board ships (marine), what directive and standards should be used to evaluate equipment for safety and emc? Is a notified body approval required? PETER S. MERGUERIAN Technical Director I.T.L. (Product Testing) Ltd. 26 Hacharoshet St., POB 211 Or Yehuda 60251, Israel Tel: + 972-(0)3-5339022 Fax: + 972-(0)3-5339019 Mobile: + 972-(0)54-838175 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: En60065 7th edition
John Thanks for the reply. There is discussion within our company about removing power switches from our newer products. The current standard allows us to do this as they can be switched on and off via a rear panel comms bus connection (ie data link). My specific questions are: a) will the 7th draft allow us to do this? b) will the 7th draft remove the anomaly that requires a product to have a mechanical switch unless it has a data link or timer function? I have always thought this to be crazy, either all products should have switches or none at all. For example, Amplifier with power relay operated by front panel tact switch via microprocessor - not allowed Amplifier with power relay operated by data link (used or not) via microprocessor - allowed c) does the 7th edition define what off is? Eg apparatus does not function, apparatus consumes less than 15W, mains power is disconnected etc. Out of interest, how are BSI or IEC committees formed? Are members invited to join or do you apply? Regards Chris Colgan Compliance Engineer TAG McLaren Audio Ltd The Summit, Latham Road Huntingdon, Cambs, PE29 6ZU *Tel: +44 (0)1480 415 627 *Fax: +44 (0)1480 52159 * Mailto:chris.col...@tagmclarenaudio.com * http://www.tagmclarenaudio.com -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [SMTP:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: 12 June 2001 21:54 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: En60065 7th edition AE0F4BD08FEAD211895900805FE67B1FA5C431@CAT, Colgan, Chris Chris.Colg a...@tagmclarenaudio.com inimitably wrote: Anyone know where I can get a copy of the draft 7th edition of IEC60065? I am particularly interested in the amendment to clause 14.6, use of manually operated mechanical switches. Only by joining BSI committee EPL/92. The current draft attracted a huge number of comments, so the text can't be regarded as final. The clause covers 2 and a quarter pages. If you have a specific question, I can probably answer it, provided you realise that the final text may differ. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Why not call a vertically- applied manulo-pedally-operated quasi-planar chernozem-penetrating and excavating implement a SPADE? --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, ** Please visit us at www.tagmclarenaudio.com ** The contents of this E-mail are confidential and for the exclusive use of the intended recipient. If you receive this E-mail in error, please delete it from your system immediately and notify us either by E-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the E-mail. TAG McLaren Audio Ltd The Summit, 11 Latham Road Huntingdon, Cambs, PE29 6ZU Telephone : 01480 415600 (+44 1480 415600) Facsimile : 01480 52159 (+44 1480 52159) ** Please visit us at www.tagmclarenaudio.com ** --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
EN55022 Radiated Test Set up
Hi Guys, I have a query regarding how the 3M or 10M emissions set up should be measured. EMC Test Houses seem to appply the measurement of the 3M/10M differently e.g. measurement can be to the front (or rear) edge of the EUT, peripherals and cables setup with Turntable at 0 degrees. This means that at some point during Turntable revolutions the EUT will violate the 3M or 10M rule i.e. the EUT with peripherals and cables will be less than the initial measured distance during turntable movement. Should the 3M/10M be measured to the periphery of the EUT after monitoring the turntable revolution? This would mean that during Turntable movement the 3M or 10M is not violated with peripherals or cables, but also that the centre of the setup is always more than 3M/10M. Any Ideas or better still any simply explained documents (for all EMC test procedures) that spells this out very precisely. Best Regards Alex McNeil --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Re: EN61000-3-2:2000
sb2739c0@adm-gwia2.hkpc.org, KC CHAN [PDD] kcc...@hkpc.org inimitably wrote: According to OJ, the standard that can be used is either EN61000-3-2 : 1995 + A1 + A2 or EN61000-3-2 : 1995 + A1 + A2 + A14 However when I verify the version I have from BSI, it is EN61000-3-2 :2000. BSI told me that this 2000 version is to supersede EN61000-3-2 : 1995 + A1 + A2 + A14. Right now I have difficulties to order the correct one. What I mean the correct one is the version listed in OJ. The older version of EN61000-3-2:1995 is with amendment A12 + A13 +A1 + A2, but A12 and A13 are not listed in OJ. I was questioned by auditor that I should use the correct one, at least I should know what is A12 and A13. Don't bother; they were never issued as such. Amendments with a single number reference are those originated in IEC. Amendments with a number between 11 and 19 were originated in CENELEC. A12 and A13 were effectively overtaken by IEC amendments before they were finalized. BSI then further confuses the issue by numbering amendments in series, irrespective of where they originated. So CENELEC A14 is BS Amendment 4, but it could have been Amendment [any number]. Could someone help me out on this? Where can I get the correct version besides BSI? What is this 2000 version? Can I use this 2000 version? You could, but it doesn't include A14, which you may well find not helpful. A14 effectively relaxes requirements for many products. This whole mix-up is due to a series of wrong decisions in CENELEC, which people were warned about but made anyway. Use the 1995 edition with the three amendments. Unless you are making kitchen machines. Later this year, the 2000 edition will be amended to include a very slightly differently-worded A14, exactly as the IEC version will be. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Why not call a vertically- applied manulo-pedally-operated quasi-planar chernozem-penetrating and excavating implement a SPADE? --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
EN61000-3-2:2000
Hi all I got a question about the correct standard version of EN61000-3-2. According to OJ, the standard that can be used is either EN61000-3-2 : 1995 + A1 + A2 or EN61000-3-2 : 1995 + A1 + A2 + A14 However when I verify the version I have from BSI, it is EN61000-3-2 :2000. BSI told me that this 2000 version is to supersede EN61000-3-2 : 1995 + A1 + A2 + A14. Right now I have difficulties to order the correct one. What I mean the correct one is the version listed in OJ. The older version of EN61000-3-2:1995 is with amendment A12 + A13 +A1 + A2, but A12 and A13 are not listed in OJ. I was questioned by auditor that I should use the correct one, at least I should know what is A12 and A13. Could someone help me out on this? Where can I get the correct version besides BSI? What is this 2000 version? Can I use this 2000 version? Thank you KC Chan --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Re: En60065 7th edition
AE0F4BD08FEAD211895900805FE67B1FA5C431@CAT, Colgan, Chris Chris.Colg a...@tagmclarenaudio.com inimitably wrote: Anyone know where I can get a copy of the draft 7th edition of IEC60065? I am particularly interested in the amendment to clause 14.6, use of manually operated mechanical switches. Only by joining BSI committee EPL/92. The current draft attracted a huge number of comments, so the text can't be regarded as final. The clause covers 2 and a quarter pages. If you have a specific question, I can probably answer it, provided you realise that the final text may differ. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Why not call a vertically- applied manulo-pedally-operated quasi-planar chernozem-penetrating and excavating implement a SPADE? --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
