"made in xxxx" requirements?

2002-07-18 Thread brent . dewitt

This is not my usual area of interest, but a question came up about
regulations for country of origin marking, either in the US or EU.  Can
anyone point me in the direction of an answer?

Thanks all,

Brent DeWitt
Datex-Ohmeda
Louisville, CO


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CE Marking a compnent transformer

2002-07-18 Thread Scott Proffitt
To All,

Any assistance is greatly appreciated.

Our client would like to evaluate a component transformer for CE marking
or 
to ship to an OEM for inclusion in a piece of "box making" equipment built
in 
the EU.  I believe the safety standard is EN 61558-1.  Does anyone have
a 
difference of opinion on this and are there any other requirements (EMC,
other)?

Best Regards,

Scott Proffitt
Advanced Compliance Solutions, Inc.
770-831-8048
www.acstestlab.com


Re: EMSCAN data

2002-07-18 Thread Cortland Richmond

I'd be interested in seeing what you've got. Remember, not only the board
can resonate, but  structures on and in it, and at lower frequencies, too.
Don't send the file to my Compuserve address, though; I can only see text
here. 

Cortland Richmond
k...@earthlink.net

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EU Electrical Codes

2002-07-18 Thread richwoods

We need to embed secondary wiring (>50V) into a narrow trench cut into a
concrete floor located at ground level. The installation has to be compliant
with the electrical code used in the EU. It has been suggested that we use
flexible conduit such as the one listed at the this link.
http://www.courant-int.com/catalogue/items/icta3422.htm

Is this material acceptable in this particular application? If not, what
material must be used?

Richard Woods
Sensormatic Electronics
Tyco International


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Pusle generator

2002-07-18 Thread Lfresearch
Hi all,

I'm looking to rent a pulse generator to perform pulse testing in accordance 
with the 1 MHz waveshape in MIL-STD 461 E CS116. Can anyone suggest a source.

Thanks,

Derek N. Walton
Owner,
L. F. Research EMC Design and Test Facility
12790 Route 76,
Poplar Grove,
IL 61065
www.lfresearch.com


Re: the experts (was: RE: Multiple Product Variants under EN60439)

2002-07-18 Thread Doug McKean

Well, for my two bits, I've always dealt with agencies as if they're 
from Missouri "The Show Me" state. And since specific applications 
can and do in many instances vary greatly, I have had some test 
engineers make some general statements but not many. They probably 
have had their fair share of people who are more unfamiliar than most 
about standards run off stating this or that as law when they really 
don't know what they're talking about.  I find that true to some extent 
in any company where I've worked.  And my knee jerk reaction is 
to ask to physically see whatever the issue is on something.  It's just 
part of the job I guess.  Regards, Doug McKean 


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the experts (was: RE: Multiple Product Variants under EN60439)

2002-07-18 Thread Peter Tarver

This reaches back a bit and I hope you'll forgive my tardy
entrance.  I come from a test house background and would
like to shed some light on certain assertions made in this
thread.


Scott Douglas tells us, "In my years of being a compliance
type, I have found many cases where I could not get an
agency or test house to make a bold statement about this or
that. Often one can accept that and understand why they will
not commit. For one reason, they do not want to be the one
sued by some disgruntled customer because something happened
(or didn't happen). But just as often, I have found it
extremely frustrating that I cannot get a straight answer
from the same people."

It's also important to keep in mind that anything said by
the engineer might be contradicted, when presented to their
reviewing engineer, leading to personal embarrassment.  A
bad decision could also lead to a precedent that is
difficult to be rid of.  Mulling things over is good for all
concerned, especially the public's safety.

I do agree, though, with Scott's advice to question anything
that doesn't make sense.  Insisting on clear engineering
rationale is good practice and will even help the test house
engineer maintain clarity.  Sometimes the (unsatisfying)
answer might only be "it's a compliance issue," implying a
standards revision is called for.


Chris Maxwell advises, "Personnel at a lab may deal with the
same standard everyday.  They should know the standard like
the back of their hand."

This is sometimes true and sometimes not true.  In one
department, I recall handling an average of 15-25 and as
many as 40 projects at any given time, usually with little
customer or technology overlap, often with only a little
overlap in product standard.  [In the case of industrial
control equipment, the range covered products are so broad
that it can be daunting to know even half of what an
"expert" might need to know; a good understanding may be
more difficult to muster (thank goodness for dash
standards - a relatively recent innovation).]  At any given
time, for example: relays, branch circuit breakers,
cartridge fuses, Class 2 transformers, unit substations,
pool and spa equipment, panelboards, energy management
equipment, printed wiring boards, general purpose
transformers...the list goes on.  It can be a juggling act
to keep the requirements clearly in mind for any particular
product and standard, especially in busy times.

There are also relatively new employees that are still
cutting their teeth on a standard, those that transfer
between departments that handle different products and have
to learn new standards, almost anything of the ilk.

Nevertheless, there are some groups within these
organizations that deal with relatively few standards and
perhaps the back of the hand idea applies (for instance, ITE
and telecom equipment, polymeric materials), but it depends
sharply on the internal structure of the test house and how
they run their businesses.


The odds are great that we'll all act the teacher to test
house engineers in our careers.  Many serving on standards
making panels on this forum fulfill this function regularly.
Chris is right, though, that it can make a big difference if
the test house engineer is familiar with a customers
products and design philosophy.


Regards,

Peter L. Tarver, PE
Product Safety Manager
Sanmina-SCI Homologation Services
San Jose, CA
peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com



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60601-1 leakage current testers

2002-07-18 Thread Brian McAuliffe

any recommendations for sources of hire (preferrably in UK/Ireland) and/or
purchase of test equipment suitable for performing the leakage current tests
specified in EN60601-1:1990 ?

thanks
Brian McAuliffe

MCA Compliance Solutions Ltd

w: www.mcac.ie
e: i...@mcac.ie
t: +353 (0)65 6823452
m: +353 (0)87 2352554


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