date:20110112

RE: EMC Directive + UK Regulations - take 2

2011-01-12 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org

In that case, the directive does not apply, only so long as the signal has not 
reached the end.  8-))



 

 

 

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From: Dennis Ward 
Subject: RE: EMC Directive + UK Regulations - take 2
To: "'Bill Owsley'" , emc-p...@ieee.org, 
pat.law...@slpower.com
Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 6:34 PM



But what if you don’t use the end, what if you use the beginningJ

Just kidding. 

 

Dennis Ward 


Director of Engineering

American Certification Body 
Certification Resource for the Wireless Industry http://www.acbcert.com
703-847-4700 fax 703-847-6888 
direct - 703-880-4841

 

From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Bill 
Owsley
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 2:32 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org; pat.law...@slpower.com
Subject: Re: EMC Directive + UK Regulations - take 2

 

And who but the "end user" would be using an "apparatus"?
Since it is a finished product, it is not being assembled, and if a the "end 
user" has not yet acquired it, it might be in distribution where it is not 
likely to turned on.
yay verily, if ye turn it on, ye are the end user.
Us test types are excluded from this designation. ;-)

 

 

 

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From: pat.law...@slpower.com 
Subject: Re: EMC Directive + UK Regulations - take 2
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org
Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 4:52 PM

Hi Nick:

Can you give examples of significant impacts caused by the new wording?
How does your quoted paragraph:
  > "‘apparatus’ means any finished appliance or combination thereof 
  > made commercially available as a single functional unit, intended 
  > for the end user and liable to generate electromagnetic disturbance,
  > or the performance of which is liable to be affected by such 
disturbance;"
differ from this edited paragraph:
  > "‘apparatus’ means any finished appliance or combination thereof 
  > made commercially available as a single functional unit,  
  > --- --- ---  and liable to generate electromagnetic disturbance,
  > or the performance of which is liable to be affected by such 
disturbance;"

Pat Lawler
EMC Engineer
SL Power Electronics Corp.

Nick Williams  wrote on 01/11/2011 
01:36:57 PM:
> I realise that the (ominous?) silence which has greeted my earlier 
> enquiry is probably the result of me failing to be clear enough in 
> my original question, so I will re-state it. Please ignore my earlier 
post!

> The concept of 'end user' to which I refer is contained in the 
> definition of what is within the scope of the EMC Directive, 
> contained in article 2(1)b:

> "‘apparatus’ means any finished appliance or combination thereof 
> made commercially available as a single functional unit, intended 
> for the end user and liable to generate electromagnetic disturbance,
> or the performance of which is liable to be affected by such 
disturbance;"

> According to this clause, products which are not intended for the 
> 'end user' are not within the scope of the EMC Directive.

> I would like to gain some insight into how the concept of end user 
> came to be included within the new Directive, and what it means. To 
> re-iterate what I said earlier, the phrase 'end user' was not in the
> original EMC Directive 89/336/EEC, nor was it introduced by any of 
> the amendments brought in before the whole Directive was replaced by
> 2004/108/EEC in 2007. However, the phrase is used in the UK 
> Regulations which implemented 89/336/EEC, and these include a 
definition.

> The phrase was introduced into the new EMC Directive 2004/108/EC, 
> although it is not actually defined in the Directive itself. This 
> usage in the section defining scope is carried through to the UK 
> Regulations (as one would expect) but the definition of the term 
> 'end user' which was in the 2005 Regulations is no longer in the 
> 2006 version. The Commission guide on the new Directive contains 
> some guidance which is broadly consistent with, although by no means
> the same as, the definition in the UK's 2005 Regulations.

> The reason for my interest is that, on the face of it, the change to
> make the EMC Directive only applicable to products intended for an 
> end user has a very significant impact on the scope of the Directive
> and I am surprised that more was not made of this at the time that 
> the new Directive came into force. Or have I missed something?

> Nick.

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RE: EU Common Mobile Phone Charger Standards

2011-01-12 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org

The link below is a CENELEC announcement for this standard. And, it clarifies
the intention for this standard.

http://www.cenelec.eu/Cenelec/CENELEC+i
+action/News+Centre/CENELEC+News/Genera
/New+standard+for+common+mobile+chargers.htm

 

Best regards,

 

Ron



From: Dan Roman [mailto:dan.ro...@dialogic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:27 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EU Common Mobile Phone Charger Standards

 

There was a brief article that mentioned this on CNET a week or two ago.  The
topic was actually a discussion about the Apple iPAD2 and how it would have a
micro-USB connector precisely because of this change in the EU.  Don’t know
how much of the article was rumor or speculation (there is a lot of that on
CNET).  All my current phones use this connector right now so I guess they are
just formalizing the trend?

 

From: Ron Pickard [mailto:rpick...@hypercom.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:17 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EU Common Mobile Phone Charger Standards

 

Hi Brian et al,

 

That’s good info, but do you or anyone else know if this CENELEC standard is
similar to IEEE 1725 now being required by CTIA/PTCRB here in the US?

 

I look forward to your reply.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron



From: Brian Mcauliffe [mailto:brian_mcauli...@dell.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 3:46 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EU Common Mobile Phone Charger Standards

 

CENELEC standard EN 62684:201X "Interoperability specifications of common
external power supply (EPS) for use with data-enabled mobile telephones” –
should be available from usual bodies selling standards

 

ETSI standard EN 301 489-34 on EMC matters – available from ETSI website.

 

 

From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Tony T
Sent: 12 January 2011 10:12
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: EU Common Mobile Phone Charger Standards

 

I note from the EU Commission’s website that standards for a common mobile
phone charger for Europe are available from CENELEC & ETSI.

 

http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/newsroom
cf/itemlongdetail.cfm?item_id=4818&lang=en&tpa=199&displayType=news

 

Does anyone know what these standards are and where they may be available from?

 

Thanks in advance,

T

 

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RE: EU Common Mobile Phone Charger Standards

2011-01-12 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org

There was a brief article that mentioned this on CNET a week or two ago.  The
topic was actually a discussion about the Apple iPAD2 and how it would have a
micro-USB connector precisely because of this change in the EU.  Don’t know
how much of the article was rumor or speculation (there is a lot of that on
CNET).  All my current phones use this connector right now so I guess they are
just formalizing the trend?

 

From: Ron Pickard [mailto:rpick...@hypercom.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:17 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EU Common Mobile Phone Charger Standards

 

Hi Brian et al,

 

That’s good info, but do you or anyone else know if this CENELEC standard is
similar to IEEE 1725 now being required by CTIA/PTCRB here in the US?

 

I look forward to your reply.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron



From: Brian Mcauliffe [mailto:brian_mcauli...@dell.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 3:46 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EU Common Mobile Phone Charger Standards

 

CENELEC standard EN 62684:201X "Interoperability specifications of common
external power supply (EPS) for use with data-enabled mobile telephones” –
should be available from usual bodies selling standards

 

ETSI standard EN 301 489-34 on EMC matters – available from ETSI website.

 

 

From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Tony T
Sent: 12 January 2011 10:12
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: EU Common Mobile Phone Charger Standards

 

I note from the EU Commission’s website that standards for a common mobile
phone charger for Europe are available from CENELEC & ETSI.

 

http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/newsroom
cf/itemlongdetail.cfm?item_id=4818&lang=en&tpa=199&displayType=news

 

Does anyone know what these standards are and where they may be available from?

 

Thanks in advance,

T

 

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RE: EU Common Mobile Phone Charger Standards

2011-01-12 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org

Hi Brian et al,

 

That’s good info, but do you or anyone else know if this CENELEC standard is
similar to IEEE 1725 now being required by CTIA/PTCRB here in the US?

 

I look forward to your reply.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron



From: Brian Mcauliffe [mailto:brian_mcauli...@dell.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 3:46 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EU Common Mobile Phone Charger Standards

 

CENELEC standard EN 62684:201X "Interoperability specifications of common
external power supply (EPS) for use with data-enabled mobile telephones” –
should be available from usual bodies selling standards

 

ETSI standard EN 301 489-34 on EMC matters – available from ETSI website.

 

 

From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Tony T
Sent: 12 January 2011 10:12
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: EU Common Mobile Phone Charger Standards

 

I note from the EU Commission’s website that standards for a common mobile
phone charger for Europe are available from CENELEC & ETSI.

 

http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/newsroom
cf/itemlongdetail.cfm?item_id=4818&lang=en&tpa=199&displayType=news

 

Does anyone know what these standards are and where they may be available from?

 

Thanks in advance,

T

 

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RE: [PSES] EU Common Mobile Phone Charger Standards

2011-01-12 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org

A standard dated 201X is not likely to have been published!

I expect a good months yet

 

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Andy

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From: Brian Mcauliffe [mailto:brian_mcauli...@dell.com] 
Sent: 12 January 2011 10:46
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EU Common Mobile Phone Charger Standards

 

CENELEC standard EN 62684:201X "Interoperability specifications of common
external power supply (EPS) for use with data-enabled mobile telephones” –
should be available from usual bodies selling standards

 

ETSI standard EN 301 489-34 on EMC matters – available from ETSI website.

 

 

From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Tony T
Sent: 12 January 2011 10:12
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: EU Common Mobile Phone Charger Standards

 

I note from the EU Commission’s website that standards for a common mobile
phone charger for Europe are available from CENELEC & ETSI.

 

http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/newsroom
cf/itemlongdetail.cfm?item_id=4818&lang=en&tpa=199&displayType=news

 

Does anyone know what these standards are and where they may be available from?

 

Thanks in advance,

T

 

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Re: [PSES] EU Common Mobile Phone Charger Standards

2011-01-12 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org

It appears there is more info here. See in particular, the Annex 2 - Technical
Specs.

http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/rtte/chargers/index_en.htm

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On Jan 12, 2011, at 3:11 AM, Tony T wrote:



I note from the EU Commission’s website that standards for a common 
mobile
phone charger for Europe are available from CENELEC & ETSI.
 
http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/newsroo
/cf/itemlongdetail.cfm?item_id=4818&lang=en&tpa=199&displayType=news
 
Does anyone know what these standards are and where they may be 
available
from?
 
Thanks in advance,
T


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RE: EU Common Mobile Phone Charger Standards

2011-01-12 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org

CENELEC standard EN 62684:201X "Interoperability specifications of common 
external power supply (EPS) for use with data-enabled mobile telephones” – 
should be available from usual bodies selling standards

 

ETSI standard EN 301 489-34 on EMC matters – available from ETSI website.

 

 

From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Tony T
Sent: 12 January 2011 10:12
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: EU Common Mobile Phone Charger Standards

 

I note from the EU Commission’s website that standards for a common mobile 
phone charger for Europe are available from CENELEC & ETSI.

 

http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/newsroom/cf/itemlongdetail.cfm?item_id=4818&lang=en&tpa=199&displayType=news

 

Does anyone know what these standards are and where they may be available from?

 

Thanks in advance,

T

 

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EU Common Mobile Phone Charger Standards

2011-01-12 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org

I note from the EU Commission’s website that standards for a common mobile 
phone charger for Europe are available from CENELEC & ETSI.
 
http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/newsroom/cf/itemlongdetail.cfm?item_id=4818&lang=en&tpa=199&displayType=news
 
Does anyone know what these standards are and where they may be available from?
 
Thanks in advance,
T


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Re: EMC Directive + UK Regulations - take 2

2011-01-12 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org

In message <7df6c6b0-796f-4265-8c98-a77c1cdc6...@conformance.co.uk>, 
Nick Williams  writes
>The reason for my interest is that, on the face of it, the change to 
>make the EMC Directive only applicable to products intended for an end 
>user has a very significant impact on the scope of the Directive and I 
>am surprised that more was not made of this at the time that the new 
>Directive came into force. Or have I missed something?

It's not possible to tell from your messages. It depends on your 
apparent concept that an end-user may not exist.  Well, if a product is 
never used, obviously it doesn't matter whether the Directive applies or 
not.

So I think you have to tell us what you mean by the concept of product 
that has no end user.
-- 
This is my travelling signature, adding no superfluous mass.
John M Woodgate

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