FIPS-140-2
Folks, I am looking for a Lab or Consultant who can help us with FIPS-140-2 approval. Our Product description link is below. http://www2.aerohive.com/DS-350 http://www2.aerohive.com/DS-AP330 It will be good to find someone in the Bay area. Thanks in advance for your help. Regards Christopher 408-470-4915 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald
thermocouple tutorial
To the good people that gave me their business cards at the PSES symposium (on Tuesday) for a copy my t/c construction tutorial - I lost them. Sorry. If you want it, send me your email address. Brian - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
RE: Table Size in Emissions test - Why?
Being a sneaky, underhanded, despicable person; I have two installs - a config that will match the pretty pics in the standards, and a config that will make the measurements. The customer's auditor goes away happy after he visits my site, but my reports clearly specify the test setup 'variation' in text and pics. And customer's compliance engineers are happy. As for Mr Kunde, you seem to have a cult following. I was asked by no less than three people at the PSES symposium if I was 'The Other Brian'. You should know that there are people out there that want to meet you. Was most aghast that I would be associated with a reasonable and normal persona. Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Kunde, Brian Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:29 AM To: EMC-PSTC Subject: RE: Table Size in Emissions test - Why? Sorry to jump in on this so late but I've been on vacation. What is the reason for the table size called out in ANSI and why 1.5m x 1m? Is there some science behind it? Is it explained anywhere? Just curious. Below 1Ghz isn't the table suppose to be invisible to RF anyway? We test to CISPR11 which only calls out the height of the table (0.8m). The other dimensions are not listed and I never questioned it because I always assumed they were not important. I see someone posted that only the height was important and the other dimensions are "Nominal", but out 'big' test table is 0.8m deep by 3m long. Can hardly be considered nominal. Why I'm so curious is we are looking to purchase or build some new test tables and I want to get the dimensions correct. They must be able to handle instruments of 600 lbs, have wheels, and can fit through a standard 48" doorway (3' 9" available). A 1m deep table is a tight fit with cables, hoses, etc.. Are there any companies who sell test tables or do you still have to make them? The Other Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of WNya Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 7:54 PM To: EMC-PSTC Subject: Table Size in Emissions test Dear Experts, Recently my company went through the first ISO17025 audit. We have a table smaller than the standard requirement of 1.5m x 1m since our products are small, typically 10cm x 10cm x 10cm. The height of our table was 0.8m. The auditor wanted us to change the table size to follow the standard. What does it matter since we never use the extra space on the table? I do agree we must keep to the height requirement since the floor is a ground plane and thus it sets a fixed capacitance to the EUT and also controls the lengths of any attached cables. Can we reject or challenge the auditor's request? Has anyone experience the same situation? - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
RE: Table Size in Emissions test - Why?
Sorry to jump in on this so late but I've been on vacation. What is the reason for the table size called out in ANSI and why 1.5m x 1m? Is there some science behind it? Is it explained anywhere? Just curious. Below 1Ghz isn't the table suppose to be invisible to RF anyway? We test to CISPR11 which only calls out the height of the table (0.8m). The other dimensions are not listed and I never questioned it because I always assumed they were not important. I see someone posted that only the height was important and the other dimensions are "Nominal", but out 'big' test table is 0.8m deep by 3m long. Can hardly be considered nominal. Why I'm so curious is we are looking to purchase or build some new test tables and I want to get the dimensions correct. They must be able to handle instruments of 600 lbs, have wheels, and can fit through a standard 48" doorway (3' 9" available). A 1m deep table is a tight fit with cables, hoses, etc.. Are there any companies who sell test tables or do you still have to make them? The Other Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of WNya Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 7:54 PM To: EMC-PSTC Subject: Table Size in Emissions test Dear Experts, Recently my company went through the first ISO17025 audit. We have a table smaller than the standard requirement of 1.5m x 1m since our products are small, typically 10cm x 10cm x 10cm. The height of our table was 0.8m. The auditor wanted us to change the table size to follow the standard. What does it matter since we never use the extra space on the table? I do agree we must keep to the height requirement since the floor is a ground plane and thus it sets a fixed capacitance to the EUT and also controls the lengths of any attached cables. Can we reject or challenge the auditor's request? Has anyone experience the same situation? Sent from Wendy.Nya iPhone - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: Vehicle level radiated immunity
Thanks to everyone who replied, and I learned from you and by calling UL today that I was wrong, they only do component-level testing. Regards, Neven From: "Derek Walton" To: neve...@comcast.net Cc: "EMC-PSTC" , "Robert Nelson (SvT)" Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:39:46 AM Subject: Re: Vehicle level radiated immunity Hi Neven, Jacobs in Detroit can also do this for you Cheers, Derek. On 10/13/2011 12:19 AM, neve...@comcast.net wrote: Can anyone in Southern California run a radiated-immunity test in a semi-anechoic chamber on a car or a small SUV using: 1) Stripline (car under it), between 1 MHz and 30 MHz, 150 V/m (CW) 2) Antenna (automotive, large log-periodic, not for EN61000-4-3) between 30 MHz and 60 MHz (100 V/m, CW) ? Not necessarily with all full accreditations for various automotive OEMs, although it woud be good, but It must be a lab that has some experience with this type of testing. I know I can do it e.g. in UL near Detroit, but I am trying to see if it can be done relatively closer to home. Thanks, Neven - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald
Re: Vehicle level radiated immunity
Hi Neven, Jacobs in Detroit can also do this for you Cheers, Derek. On 10/13/2011 12:19 AM, neve...@comcast.net wrote: Can anyone in Southern California run a radiated-immunity test in a semi-anechoic chamber on a car or a small SUV using: 1) Stripline (car under it), between 1 MHz and 30 MHz, 150 V/m (CW) 2) Antenna (automotive, large log-periodic, not for EN61000-4-3) between 30 MHz and 60 MHz (100 V/m, CW) ? Not necessarily with all full accreditations for various automotive OEMs, although it woud be good, but It must be a lab that has some experience with this type of testing. I know I can do it e.g. in UL near Detroit, but I am trying to see if it can be done relatively closer to home. Thanks, Neven - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald
CANADA- ENERGY EFFICIENCY REGULATIONS
Dear Colleagues, Yesterday, on October 12, 2011, the Canada Gazette, Part II, published the Amendment 11 to the Energy Efficiency Regulations; It comes into force six months after publication, on April 12, 2012. For general contact information, please refer to Canada Gazette or to the PDF SOR/DORS-2011-182. The amendment will: Increase the stringency and/or scope of existing minimum energy performance standards (MEPS) for seven currently regulated products: Electric motors, Residential gas boilers, Residential oil boilers, Dry-type transformers, Large air-conditioners and heat pumps, Commercial self-contained refrigeration, General service incandescent reflector lamps and Introduce new MEPS and associated reporting and compliance requirements for five products: Standby for electronic products, Compact audio products, Television (TV) and TV combination units (and reporting only of TV on mode), Video products, External power supplies, Digital TV adaptors, Electric boilers, and Single package vertical air-conditioners and heat pumps. At the following links you may access the the text for: Energy Efficiency Regulations - Standby Power Consumption: http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/regulations/amendment11/standby-power-consumption -oct2011.cfm and Energy Efficiency Regulations for External Power supplies: http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/regulations/amendment11/external-power-supplies-o ct2011.cfm Respectfully yours, Constantin Constantin Bolintineanu P.Eng. iNARTE Certified Product Safety Engineer Digital Security Controls (DSC) a Division of Tyco Safety Products Canada 3301 LANGSTAFF Road, L4K 4L2 CONCORD, ONTARIO, CANADA e-mail: cbolintine...@dsc.com Tel: 905 760 3000 ext 2568 Fax: 905 760 3020 Before printing this e-mail think if it is necessary DISCLAIMER: This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please return the message and its attachments to the sender, and then please delete from your system without copying or forwarding it or call TSPC at 905 760 3000 extension 2568 so that the sender's address records can be corrected. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: Beyond Power Supply Safety
Dear Members, Thank you very much to those who have commented online and offline. In summary, the best and worry-free approach is to recycle/replace flood damaged electronics and any items with electrical wiring (heating & cooling system, water heater, vehicle, etc.). I received "proof of loss" report from the FEMA contacted flood adjuster last night. Electronics are covered (though 10% depreciation for the HP CP2025dn and 65% for the AIO). Thanks to Ted's comment for the line voltage supplies. It can become safety hazard down the road. The adjuster's report does include replacement for the wire and receptcles. Best regards, Grace Lin On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:34 PM, Bill Owsley wrote: re-cycle electronic equipment. We have events at work where we get to bring in old electronic stuff to toss into the special bin going to the re-cycler. From: IBM Ken To: oconne...@tamuracorp.com Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:28 PM Subject: Re: Beyond Power Supply Safety It's best to throw the printer(s) out. If you don't have kids at home and you're going to use the printer somewhere where fire damage is less of a concern then you could: -disassemble -flush with clean water -dry thoroughly -reassemble -hipot test if you have a tester (why not?) -set on fireproof surface and power via GFI -check for abnormal voltages at SELV interfaces using multimeter with insulated leads -function check -place back into service Then worry for the next several years about if/when the printer is going to burn down the house... Again - it's best to throw the printers out. Maybe your homeowner's insurance will pay for them. -Ken A. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Brian Oconnell wrote: It's dead, Jim Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Grace Lin Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 5:17 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Beyond Power Supply Safety Dear Members, How much damage would be after shorting the input of power supplies? An HP all-in-one machine (purchased in 2001) and a color laser printer (HP CP2025dn) were damaged by about 1.5 feet of flood water brought into the house by Hurricane Irene. They were safe (no fire and damage to the property and human beings). Both power cords were connected to the receptacles (no surge protectors) which were about 1 foot above the ground. The all-in-one machine, powered by an AC adapter, was on a table and didn't touch water. Some components of the laser printer burned when it had about 1" of flood water on the bottom. My question is: is it worth for me, not a hardware troubleshooting expert, to try to fix them? Or, just say good bye to them and move on? Thank you very much and look forward to your comments. Best regards, Grace Lin - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived an
Vehicle level radiated immunity
Can anyone in Southern California run a radiated-immunity test in a semi-anechoic chamber on a car or a small SUV using: 1) Stripline (car under it), between 1 MHz and 30 MHz, 150 V/m (CW) 2) Antenna (automotive, large log-periodic, not for EN61000-4-3) between 30 MHz and 60 MHz (100 V/m, CW) ? Not necessarily with all full accreditations for various automotive OEMs, although it woud be good, but It must be a lab that has some experience with this type of testing. I know I can do it e.g. in UL near Detroit, but I am trying to see if it can be done relatively closer to home. Thanks, Neven - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald
