[PSES] Compliance engineering contacts at Plextor and Netgear
Hi all, I'm trying to obtain compliance related documentation for a couple of products manufactured by both Plextor and Netgear. The usual technical support channels yield nothing as this sort of request is outside the norm, as I have a project that incorporates these manufacturers products in to a larger system that is about to go through UL Safety testing. Many thanks for your support, Edward Fitzgerald cell: +447768533100 skype: edward_fitzgerald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] EU NLF directives
The EMC and LVD proposals refer to document 768/2008/EC which describes conformity assessment procedures... The famous A to H1 modules new EMCD proposal 2011/0351 (read article 14 and annex II and III) http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=COM:2011:0765:FIN:EN:PDF new LVD proposal 2011/357 (read Annex III : module A is the only option left) http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=COM:2011:0765:FIN:EN:PDF 768/2008/EC regarding conformity assessments modules http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2008:218:0082:0128:en:PDF 765/2008/EC Accreditation and market surveillance http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2008:218:0030:0047:en:PDF Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen, BSc g.grem...@cetest.nl www.cetest.nl Kiotoweg 363 3047 BG Rotterdam T 31(0)104152426 F 31(0)104154953 Before printing, think about the environment. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] Namens Brian Oconnell Verzonden: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 2:12 AM Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Onderwerp: RE: EU NLF directives I may have missed something really big - probably English illiteracy. The two framework regs say stuff like manufacturers shall... So what other legislation allows me to ignore these regs? Are EU regs available in Klingon? I know this defies the law of gravity, but I never studied law. -- Bugs Bunny Brian -Original Message- From: Nick Williams [mailto:nick.willi...@conformance.co.uk] Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 3:13 PM To: oconne...@tamuracorp.com Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: EU NLF directives Brian, The answer to your second question is 'no'. With respect, you seem to have missed the point that the NLF has no direct bearing on manufacturers - it is a set of rules and principles for legislators, enforcement agencies and accreditation bodies. You can be forgiven for failing to understand this, others have made the same mistake. However, in practice what it means is that if you are a manufacturer, you can essentially ignore the NLF and focus on what is in the directives and regulations themselves. Competence is not legislated for in any of the New Approach directives, nor is any such requirement introduced in the current set of proposed amendments which will align several of the older Directives with the principles of the NLF. Nick. On 20 Feb 2012, at 22:45, Brian Oconnell wrote: I concur that, for now, the principle that self declaration remains the basis of the system remains in place. How should the requirements for competence and accreditation be addressed? Conformity assessment requires: 1. Internal product control 2. Recurring product testing The presumption of conformity is based on the competence to perform these two activities. Will NB audits be the only acceptable way? Brian - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] EU NLF directives
In message 1afe4bc52a594a7f8820bd07b39e7...@tamuracorp.com, dated Mon, 20 Feb 2012, Brian Oconnell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes: I may have missed something really big - probably English illiteracy. The two framework regs say stuff like manufacturers shall... You would need to cite specific instances to have them clarified. So what other legislation allows me to ignore these regs? They simply aren't addressed to you. You need to look at the amended Directives. Are EU regs available in Klingon? Some seem to have been imperfectly translated from that language. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK If 'QWERTY' is an English keyboard, what language is 'WYSIWYG' for? - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] EU NLF directives
In message FCA549BE3ECF9D4CB8CB8576837EA4891404C6@ZEUS.cetest.local, dated Tue, 21 Feb 2012, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl writes: new EMCD proposal 2011/0351 (read article 14 and annex II and III) http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=COM:2011:0765:FIN: EN:PDF new LVD proposal 2011/357 (read Annex III : module A is the only option left) http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=COM:2011:0765:FIN: EN:PDF These both direct to the EMC document. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK If 'QWERTY' is an English keyboard, what language is 'WYSIWYG' for? - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] EU NLF directives
Thanks John for finding this little mistake: Corrected URL: new LVD proposal 2011/357 (read Annex III : module A is the only option left http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=COM:2011:0773:FIN:EN:PDF Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen, BSc g.grem...@cetest.nl www.cetest.nl Kiotoweg 363 3047 BG Rotterdam T 31(0)104152426 F 31(0)104154953 Before printing, think about the environment. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] Namens John Woodgate Verzonden: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 12:15 PM Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Onderwerp: Re: EU NLF directives In message FCA549BE3ECF9D4CB8CB8576837EA4891404C6@ZEUS.cetest.local, dated Tue, 21 Feb 2012, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl writes: new EMCD proposal 2011/0351 (read article 14 and annex II and III) http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=COM:2011:0765:FIN: EN:PDF new LVD proposal 2011/357 (read Annex III : module A is the only option left) http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=COM:2011:0765:FIN: EN:PDF These both direct to the EMC document. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK If 'QWERTY' is an English keyboard, what language is 'WYSIWYG' for? - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] British plug gets a makeover
I thought this was interesting... British plug gets a makeover http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20120220/british-plug-makeover/ --- Sent from Zite personalized magazine iPhone app. Available for free in the App Store. ___ Kenneth Wyatt Wyatt Technical Services LLC Woodland Park, CO Email Me! | Web Site | Blog Subscribe to Newsletter Connect with me on LinkedIn - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] British plug gets a makeover
Wonderful, if you don't mind dropping 25 pounds on a plug that's only good for non-grounded applications. Interesting design, however. Ghery S. Pettit From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ken Wyatt Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 7:25 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: British plug gets a makeover I thought this was interesting... British plug gets a makeover http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20120220/british-plug-makeover/ --- Sent from Zitehttp://www.zite.com/?ref=email personalized magazine iPhone app. Available for free in the App Storehttp://itunes.apple.com/us/app/zite/id419752338. ___ Kenneth Wyatt Wyatt Technical Services LLC Woodland Park, CO Email Me!mailto:k...@emc-seminars.com | Web Sitehttp://www.emc-seminars.com | Bloghttp://emcexpert.blogspot.com/ Subscribe to Newsletterhttp://www.emc-seminars.com/Newsletter/Newsletter.html Connect with me on LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/kennethwyatt - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Compliance engineering contacts at Plextor and Netgear
Typically, you would request their compliance people to submit the test certs, cb report, emc report, etc directly to the UL assessment engineer. For an end-use product that does not require professional installation, the request for complete safety and EMC documentation is a bit unusual. Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of edward.fitzger...@ets-tele.com Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 2:34 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Compliance engineering contacts at Plextor and Netgear Hi all, I'm trying to obtain compliance related documentation for a couple of products manufactured by both Plextor and Netgear. The usual technical support channels yield nothing as this sort of request is outside the norm, as I have a project that incorporates these manufacturers products in to a larger system that is about to go through UL Safety testing. Many thanks for your support, Edward Fitzgerald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] British plug gets a makeover
Currently only available as a USB adaptor for charging phones/MP3 players/etc with http://themu.co.uk/ From: Pettit, Ghery [mailto:ghery.pet...@intel.com] Sent: 21 February 2012 16:03 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] British plug gets a makeover Wonderful, if you don't mind dropping 25 pounds on a plug that's only good for non-grounded applications. Interesting design, however. Ghery S. Pettit From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ken Wyatt Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 7:25 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: British plug gets a makeover I thought this was interesting... British plug gets a makeover http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20120220/british-plug-makeover/ --- Sent from Zitehttp://www.zite.com/?ref=email personalized magazine iPhone app. Available for free in the App Storehttp://itunes.apple.com/us/app/zite/id419752338. ___ Kenneth Wyatt Wyatt Technical Services LLC Woodland Park, CO Email Me!mailto:k...@emc-seminars.com | Web Sitehttp://www.emc-seminars.com | Bloghttp://emcexpert.blogspot.com/ Subscribe to Newsletterhttp://www.emc-seminars.com/Newsletter/Newsletter.html Connect with me on LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/kennethwyatt - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Compliance engineering contacts at Plextor and Netgear
You mentioned contacting customer service. I generally have good luck calling companies and asking to speak to their Quality Assurance department; often they are the same people doing compliance/certification work, or they know the right people to talk to. Asking sales people for certification info usually doesn't turn out well. -Ken A. On 2/21/12, edward.fitzger...@ets-tele.com edward.fitzger...@ets-tele.com wrote: Hi all, I'm trying to obtain compliance related documentation for a couple of products manufactured by both Plextor and Netgear. The usual technical support channels yield nothing as this sort of request is outside the norm, as I have a project that incorporates these manufacturers products in to a larger system that is about to go through UL Safety testing. Many thanks for your support, Edward Fitzgerald cell: +447768533100 skype: edward_fitzgerald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] EU NLF directives
Thanks much. These links were avail via my OP. What I think the EMC proposal says - submit your docs to NB, and they evaluate company's reports. What the NBs have said to me - submit your product to me for test and approval and have the factory subject to CIG audit, because under NLF, we are liable. Other than the intro, the LVD proposal does not even mention the phrase 'Notified Body'; and has some interesting general statements such as The manufacturer, having detailed knowledge of the design and production process, is best placed to carry out the complete conformity assessment procedure for electrical equipment. Conformity assessment should therefore remain the obligation of the manufacturer alone. and Economic operators should be responsible for the compliance of electrical equipment in relation to their respective roles in the supply chain I do not understand the intent of the proposed EMCD. I do understand the intent of the proposed LVD. Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 3:35 AM To: John Woodgate; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: EU NLF directives Thanks John for finding this little mistake: Corrected URL: new LVD proposal 2011/357 (read Annex III : module A is the only option left http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=COM:2011:0773:FIN:EN:P DF Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen, BSc g.grem...@cetest.nl www.cetest.nl Kiotoweg 363 3047 BG Rotterdam T 31(0)104152426 F 31(0)104154953 ? Before printing, think about the environment. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] Namens John Woodgate Verzonden: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 12:15 PM Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Onderwerp: Re: EU NLF directives In message FCA549BE3ECF9D4CB8CB8576837EA4891404C6@ZEUS.cetest.local, dated Tue, 21 Feb 2012, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl writes: new EMCD proposal 2011/0351 (read article 14 and annex II and III) http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=COM:2011:0765:FIN: EN:PDF new LVD proposal 2011/357 (read Annex III : module A is the only option left) http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=COM:2011:0765:FIN: EN:PDF These both direct to the EMC document. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK If 'QWERTY' is an English keyboard, what language is 'WYSIWYG' for? - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Compliance engineering contacts at Plextor and Netgear
If these products sell into the EU, the DoC will be available. Maybe on their website? The DoC has a name, title and signature- can always start with that person. // Patrick. On Feb 21, 2012 11:09 AM, Brian Oconnell oconne...@tamuracorp.com wrote: Typically, you would request their compliance people to submit the test certs, cb report, emc report, etc directly to the UL assessment engineer. For an end-use product that does not require professional installation, the request for complete safety and EMC documentation is a bit unusual. Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of edward.fitzger...@ets-tele.com Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 2:34 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Compliance engineering contacts at Plextor and Netgear Hi all, I'm trying to obtain compliance related documentation for a couple of products manufactured by both Plextor and Netgear. The usual technical support channels yield nothing as this sort of request is outside the norm, as I have a project that incorporates these manufacturers products in to a larger system that is about to go through UL Safety testing. Many thanks for your support, Edward Fitzgerald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.comailto:dhe...@gmail.co - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Compliance engineering contacts at Plextor and Netgear
UL, for some components and equipment, has specific doc and construction requirements that would not be specified in the DoC. And UL would probably not accept a company-generated TCF. There is no formal requirement in North America for a mfr to provide reports to customer. Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Patrick Conway Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:41 AM To: oconne...@tamuracorp.com; emc-p...@ieee.org; he Subject: RE: Compliance engineering contacts at Plextor and Netgear If these products sell into the EU, the DoC will be available. Maybe on their website? The DoC has a name, title and signature- can always start with that person. // Patrick. On Feb 21, 2012 11:09 AM, Brian Oconnell oconne...@tamuracorp.com wrote: Typically, you would request their compliance people to submit the test certs, cb report, emc report, etc directly to the UL assessment engineer. For an end-use product that does not require professional installation, the request for complete safety and EMC documentation is a bit unusual. Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of edward.fitzger...@ets-tele.com Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 2:34 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Compliance engineering contacts at Plextor and Netgear Hi all, I'm trying to obtain compliance related documentation for a couple of products manufactured by both Plextor and Netgear. The usual technical support channels yield nothing as this sort of request is outside the norm, as I have a project that incorporates these manufacturers products in to a larger system that is about to go through UL Safety testing. Many thanks for your support, Edward Fitzgerald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Compliance engineering contacts at Plextor and Netgear
http://www.netgear.co.uk/about/regulatory/ above would look to lead to everything you might need simply found by googling netgear declaration of conformity Plextor has similar here http://www.plextor.be/products/plextalk/ptp1.html -Original Message- From: IBM Ken [mailto:ibm...@gmail.com] Sent: 21 February 2012 16:37 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Compliance engineering contacts at Plextor and Netgear You mentioned contacting customer service. I generally have good luck calling companies and asking to speak to their Quality Assurance department; often they are the same people doing compliance/certification work, or they know the right people to talk to. Asking sales people for certification info usually doesn't turn out well. -Ken A. On 2/21/12, edward.fitzger...@ets-tele.com edward.fitzger...@ets-tele.com wrote: Hi all, I'm trying to obtain compliance related documentation for a couple of products manufactured by both Plextor and Netgear. The usual technical support channels yield nothing as this sort of request is outside the norm, as I have a project that incorporates these manufacturers products in to a larger system that is about to go through UL Safety testing. Many thanks for your support, Edward Fitzgerald cell: +447768533100 skype: edward_fitzgerald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Compliance engineering contacts at Plextor and Netgear
Netgear: here here. Please take me off the February 21st most wanted list. Ed, just spoke to your colleague, help is on the way, just sign the NDA. BTW, getting these type of requests for test reports and certs are pretty common. Usually doesn't involve Interpol search, simple phone call to the front desk does the trick. Mark Gandler Netgear - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
