[PSES] Made in PRC or Made in China?
Import of a product in Saudi-Arabia is not possible because on the product label is printed made in PRC and while the certification body claims it must be made in China. Is there any reason why PRC (People's Republic of China) is not acceptable? Best regards, Kris Carpentier - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] 答复: Made in PRC or Made in China?
Hi Kris , Not sure whether you will sell it to China or Saudi-Arabia. If it's for China, I believe it should be printed in Simplified Chinese:中国制造 Paul Wang -邮件原件- 发件人: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] 代表 Carpentier Kristiaan 发送时间: 2012年6月13日 17:04 收件人: EMC-PSTC 主题: Made in PRC or Made in China? Import of a product in Saudi-Arabia is not possible because on the product label is printed made in PRC and while the certification body claims it must be made in China. Is there any reason why PRC (People's Republic of China) is not acceptable? Best regards, Kris Carpentier - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Made in PRC or Made in China?
According to several SGS and UL publications, which I cannot send because of copyright, Saudi Arabia does not allow abbreviations for country of origin on product label. Reference was Saudi Law of Commercial Data, No. M/5-14 Rabi' II 1423H. We make some of our stuff in TJ, and their import people said to me 'what country does Mexico stand for?' And for some reason, they do not seem to consider 'USA' an abbreviation. LULZ. The joys of global economy. Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Carpentier Kristiaan Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 2:04 AM To: EMC-PSTC Subject: Made in PRC or Made in China? Import of a product in Saudi-Arabia is not possible because on the product label is printed made in PRC and while the certification body claims it must be made in China. Is there any reason why PRC (People's Republic of China) is not acceptable? Best regards, Kris Carpentier - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] Korean appliance approvals
Dear Experts, I'm preparing an battery charger appliance product for eventual approvals in Korea, for the first time after the Jan 2012 Korean regulatory changes. We are obtaining a CB Test Report, and will utilize that document to apply for Korean approvals. I have heard information from a supplier that is contradictory to my understanding, but I'm having a difficult time confirming it. Our product has a mains input cable assembly that is approved by one of the ENEC group, to EN60320-2-2-1998. This is the correct version of the standard according to the OJ standards list, which also notes IEC EN60320-2-2-1998 as equivalent. In my experience, Korea has required approval to the IEC standard, by an accredited European test lab. Our supplier is stating that Korean authorities will not accept approval to an IEC standard for this component, and will only accept specific Korean approval. Can anybody who has been involved with the 2012 Korean approvals process provide any feedback on this? Additionally, are approvals in Korea still performed one model at a time, regardless of how many models are included in a CB report? Are there any other new details that can delay or prevent an approval? Any help is much appreciated. Best Regards, Brian C. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Korean appliance approvals
In message A77B72CD6A838945868172207F84AD5C1486742D@mbx027-w1-ca-7.exch027.domain.l ocal, dated Wed, 13 Jun 2012, Brian Ceresney bceres...@delta-q.com writes: Our product has a mains input cable assembly that is approved by one of the ENEC group, to EN60320-2-2-1998. This is the correct version of the standard according to the OJ standards list, which also notes IEC EN60320-2-2-1998 as equivalent. Since these approvals agencies can be very pedantic, I should point out that the IEC standard is IEC 60320-2-2, without 'EN'. IEC 60320-2-2 ed2.0 (1998-08) TC/SC 23G Appliance couplers for household and similar general purposes - Part 2-2: Interconnection couplers for household and similar equipment You can see that this standard applies to the appliance coupler ONLY, not the cable and any mains plug that may be on the other end. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk Instead of saying that the government is doing too little, too late or too much, too early, say they've got is exactly right, thus throwing them into total confusion. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] Test lab for testing power equipment at high altitude
Hi everyone: We are investigating the availability of a facility in which we can qualify some higher power (500-1000kW) inverters for operation at altitudes above their 2000m design value - the higher the better but at least 3000m, preferably 4000m or 5000m. We would consider labs that are located at high elevation, or labs that have altitude chambers large enough for an approx. 9'W x 2'D x 7'H product.. Investigation of the effects on thermal performance is the main focus, so we need to be able to run the products at full output, which requires high power AC to be available (I won't go into details on that - there are many options). Does anyone know of such a lab? Thanks in advance for your help. Regards, Jim _ Jim Eichner | Schneider Electric Solar Business | Compliance Engineering Manager Phone: +1-604-422-2546 | Mobile: +1-604-418-8472 Email: jim.eich...@schneider-electric.com | Site: www.schneider-electric.com | Address: 3700 Gilmore Way, Burnaby, BC, V5G 4M1, Canada *** Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Test lab for testing power equipment at high altitude
Wow, I am impressed. Do you also have to hi-pot at 5km? I remember that Dayton Brown has a 10x20 chamber, but am not certain if they have the power you need. Labs that do RTCA tests typically do the explosive decompression by evac to much larger chamber, so they may have the volume. Perhaps the power level and volume indicates a MilStd810 type lab. Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of jim.eich...@schneider-electric.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 1:44 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Test lab for testing power equipment at high altitude Hi everyone: We are investigating the availability of a facility in which we can qualify some higher power (500-1000kW) inverters for operation at altitudes above their 2000m design value - the higher the better but at least 3000m, preferably 4000m or 5000m. We would consider labs that are located at high elevation, or labs that have altitude chambers large enough for an approx. 9'W x 2'D x 7'H product.. Investigation of the effects on thermal performance is the main focus, so we need to be able to run the products at full output, which requires high power AC to be available (I won't go into details on that - there are many options). Does anyone know of such a lab? Thanks in advance for your help. Regards, Jim - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Test lab for testing power equipment at high altitude
Just for clarification the chamber itself doesn't provide the power. It's often derived from facilities power and routed into the chamber through the bung hole - yes it seals afterward. The important point is that if you find a chamber that does the temp and altitude you want, you can always rent a generator somewhere in the area if their facilities power won't support it. Find the chamber first, and then worry about power. Gary -Original Message- From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 2:24 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Test lab for testing power equipment at high altitude Wow, I am impressed. Do you also have to hi-pot at 5km? I remember that Dayton Brown has a 10x20 chamber, but am not certain if they have the power you need. Labs that do RTCA tests typically do the explosive decompression by evac to much larger chamber, so they may have the volume. Perhaps the power level and volume indicates a MilStd810 type lab. Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of jim.eich...@schneider-electric.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 1:44 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Test lab for testing power equipment at high altitude Hi everyone: We are investigating the availability of a facility in which we can qualify some higher power (500-1000kW) inverters for operation at altitudes above their 2000m design value - the higher the better but at least 3000m, preferably 4000m or 5000m. We would consider labs that are located at high elevation, or labs that have altitude chambers large enough for an approx. 9'W x 2'D x 7'H product.. Investigation of the effects on thermal performance is the main focus, so we need to be able to run the products at full output, which requires high power AC to be available (I won't go into details on that - there are many options). Does anyone know of such a lab? Thanks in advance for your help. Regards, Jim - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Korean appliance approvals
Thanks everyone, for your reponses. I realize that I accidentally created a new IEC EN standard typographically(oops). The results I've received so far are that Korea insists upon Korean approvals, even if the Korean and IEC or EN standards are identical. Thanks again for your comments. Best Regards, Brian C. (My other brother Brian) -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 12:17 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: Korean appliance approvals In message A77B72CD6A838945868172207F84AD5C1486742D@mbx027-w1-ca-7.exch027.domain.l ocal, dated Wed, 13 Jun 2012, Brian Ceresney bceres...@delta-q.com writes: Our product has a mains input cable assembly that is approved by one of the ENEC group, to EN60320-2-2-1998. This is the correct version of the standard according to the OJ standards list, which also notes IEC EN60320-2-2-1998 as equivalent. Since these approvals agencies can be very pedantic, I should point out that the IEC standard is IEC 60320-2-2, without 'EN'. IEC 60320-2-2 ed2.0 (1998-08) TC/SC 23G Appliance couplers for household and similar general purposes - Part 2-2: Interconnection couplers for household and similar equipment You can see that this standard applies to the appliance coupler ONLY, not the cable and any mains plug that may be on the other end. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk Instead of saying that the government is doing too little, too late or too much, too early, say they've got is exactly right, thus throwing them into total confusion. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
