Re: [PSES] wireless approvals matrix

2012-11-03 Thread Scott Douglas

Bob,

The IEEE Servers have been experiencing problems with power outages and 
what not since super storm Sandy roared through New York and New Jersey. 
It may be a while before order is restored and all is back online. 
Please have patience while IEEE works to get things working again.


Regards,

Scott Douglas
EMC-PSTC List Admin


On 11/1/2012 10:07 AM, Sykes, Bob wrote:


Worldly Experts,

Some time ago a few members of this list compiled a list of global 
wireless approval requirements.


Foolishly I did not save any emails containing the link to that 
document and now it would be extremely to me.


It seems the list archives are not working, or the at least the link 
to them in the email footers doesn't work.


Can anyone point me to the wireless approval document?

adTHANKSvance,

Bob Sykes


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Re: [PSES] SV: Laboratory Equipment - the forgotten child

2012-11-03 Thread Bill Owsley
At one point, we defined the E-stop as the pluggable power cord.  
Faster and more reliable than any other option on the market because it has two 
points of disconnect.
Jerk out either end and it worked.  The wall plug was the 'remote' E-stop.




 From: Kim Boll Jensen k...@bolls.dk
To: 'Kunde, Brian' brian_ku...@lecotc.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG 
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 2:29 AM
Subject: SV: Laboratory Equipment - the forgotten child
 

Dear Brian
 
You are absolutely right. This is a big problem. EN 60204 is not recognized 
around the world. I have just help a manufacturer to get into Canada and they 
had to comply to EN 60204 for EU and IEC/EN 61010-1 for the rest of the world. 
You can’t get a CB certificate for EN/IEC 60204.
 
I have put a big effort into finding a good way around EN 60204 but I get 
caught by EU guidelines and annexes in the standards. 
 
There must be other companies with the same problem. What do they do?
 
Best regards,
 
 
Mr. Kim Boll Jensen
Bolls Aps
Ved Gadekæret 11F
DK-3660 Stenløse
 
Phone: +45 48 18 35 66
 
k...@bolls.dk
www.bolls.dk
 
 
 
Fra:emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] På vegne af Kunde, Brian
Sendt: 1. juni 2012 22:28
Til: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Emne: Laboratory Equipment - the forgotten child
 
More trouble in the world of Laboratory Equipment (red headed step child) and 
the Machinery Directive. 
 
I’ve had TUV offices in 3 Asian countries and a customer in Australia tell us 
our products (Laboratory Equipment) must have an AC Lock Out Device, an 
Emergency Stop Switch, and a Light Tower because “Laboratory Equipment now 
falls under the Machinery Directive”. 
 
They are telling us that any AC product requires a lock out device. What?
 
On one instrument we make, the only moving part is a small dc motor with a wire 
brush similar to an electric tooth brush that cleans an electrical contact 
between analysis. You can stop this motor by hand without injury. This motor is 
also behind a double interlock door (due to an electrical hazard), but yet they 
say we must have an E-Stop switch and Light Tower. 
 
I’m not familiar with the Light Towers. I’ve seen them on Large Production 
Machines but what purpose do they serve on laboratory equipment no larger that 
an upright piano? I understood they are only required to show the operational 
status of a machine if not knowing the status could cause a hazard or injury. 
Is there more to it? I don’t see why it would be needed if there are no 
accessible hazards. 
 
I’m getting the feeling that some believe these things are required just 
because laboratory falls under the machinery directive and not for any other 
reason, which seems silly to me. In the past, the machinery directive mainly 
covered the safety of Production Machines which generally require these safety 
components. 
 
Can you imagine your next spectrum analyzer having an E-Stop switch because of 
the cooling fan or the motorized CD drive door? Is this what it is coming to?
 
Why or why don’t you large powerful laboratory equipment manufacturers fight 
for the official recognition of “Laboratory Equipment” and have our own 
Directives, Standards, and requirements and not have to wade through all the 
machinery Directive nonsense?  What sense is the IEC/EN 61010-1 standard if 
they are not harmonized to the MD? Why are we being forced to apply the IEC/EN 
60204-1 to Laboratory Equipment where 90% of the requirements don’t or 
shouldn’t apply? 
 
Sorry for my rant. It’s been a long week. I’m just a small powerless voice 
trying to sell safe products to a crazy crazy world..
 
The Other Brian
 



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