[PSES] Any 'official' opnions on Laboratiry Equipment Machinery?
Dear Experts, I am now facing a decision that had until now been nicely absent from my work Is a *slightly* mechanical piece of laboratory equipment (a microscope with an automated stage) a machine in scope of the MD? I have reviewed the archived PSTC discussions about fans, and similar threads on LinkedIn. This is how I summarize them 1. "small mechanicals" fall within the definition of Machine in the MD. 2. The MD specifically excludes 6 types of products that potentially also have "small mechanicals" in article 1.2.k, but none of these are "laboratory equipment". 3. The MD specifically excludes machinery where the hazards referred to in Annex I are wholly or partly covered more specifically by other Community Directives. 4. It is reasonably arguable that lab equipment with "small mechanicals" are specifically covered by the LVD. 5. The LVD references mechanical hazards in its essential requirements. 6. 61010-1 (an LVD listed standard) addresses mechanical hazard issues relevant to "small mechanicals". Does anyone know if any significant authorities have weighed in on this question since it was last addressed in this forum (~July 2011). I have Googled, and found nothing on which to hang this hat. Regards, Lauren - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] Cardboard display stands in store
We have a customer requesting 5,000 cardboard display stands with some demo units in stores. They are used to display and contain the goods for eye catching purpose. They are not sold to customers. How can we treat such stands? Consumer products or others? Do they need to comply with LVD, EMC, RoHS, REACH, etc. like consumer products? Thanks and regards, Scott - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] Happy New Year 2014
Dear Colleagues, >From Holy Land I wish to all Happy Holidays and Happy New Year 2014! With all my best regards, Steli Steli Loznen, M.Sc., SM-IEEE I.T.L (Product Testing) Ltd. Q.A & Certification Manager Convener IEC/TC62/SC62A/MT29 1, Bat Sheva St., P.O.Box 6117 LOD 7116002, ISRAEL Phone:+972-8-9186100 int.203 Fax:+972-8-9153101 Mobile:+972-54-7245794 e-mail: st...@itl.co.il www.itl.co.il___ This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please return by forwarding the message and its attachments to the sender. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] EMC Puzzle update
Good addition John, completely true I should have written "universal ground" Gert -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Verzonden: zondag 22 december 2013 23:19 Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] EMC Puzzle update In message , dated Sun, 22 Dec 2013, "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" writes: >Dirty planes do not exist, unless there is a reference to be compared >to, ideally universal ground. While most of what you say is true, there IS no 'universal ground', not even a conducting sheet, if it's bigger in any dimension than about 0.1 wavelengths, and, at lower frequencies, has a surface resistivity larger than that necessary to reduce the voltage between any two points to a negligible value. (What is negligible depends on signal levels, of course.) The case in this thread is that there was a separate 'chassis plane' in the stack. In terms of emissions, it's probably misleading to call it 'dirty', but for immunity, it certainly is dirty, because it introduces into the internal circuits stuff picked up from incident emissions. With seasonal greetings to all my readers. (;-) -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Nondum ex silvis sumus John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
