Re: [PSES] Automotive Directive 2004/104/EC and EN 55012
2004/104/EC will be withdrawn in November 2014 and be replaced by the UN regulations. Not having the texts at hand... will this difference remain... Gert -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: T.Sato [mailto:vef00...@nifty.ne.jp] Verzonden: woensdag 11 juni 2014 23:43 Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] Automotive Directive 2004/104/EC and EN 55012 On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:18:15 +0100, McCallum, Andy andy.mccal...@mottmac.com wrote: But the difference is only 2dB - I don't see the point. Sorry, I forgot of thinking of vehicle limits in 2004/104/EC. For the 2004/104/EC vehicle narrow band limits which is 2 dB lower than that of EN 55012, the latter requires that the results are at least 2 dB below the specified limits when a single sample is tested, and then, they will be effectively identical. Regards, Tom -- Tomonori Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp URL: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Automotive Directive 2004/104/EC and EN 55012
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 08:23:01 +0200, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: 2004/104/EC will be withdrawn in November 2014 and be replaced by the UN regulations. Not having the texts at hand... will this difference remain... I believe Vehicle emission limits in ECE Regulation No. 10 Rev.4 are identical with those of 2004/104/EC. http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs1-20.html Regards, Tom -- Tomonori Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp URL: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/ -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: T.Sato [mailto:vef00...@nifty.ne.jp] Verzonden: woensdag 11 juni 2014 23:43 Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] Automotive Directive 2004/104/EC and EN 55012 On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:18:15 +0100, McCallum, Andy andy.mccal...@mottmac.com wrote: But the difference is only 2dB - I don't see the point. Sorry, I forgot of thinking of vehicle limits in 2004/104/EC. For the 2004/104/EC vehicle narrow band limits which is 2 dB lower than that of EN 55012, the latter requires that the results are at least 2 dB below the specified limits when a single sample is tested, and then, they will be effectively identical. Regards, Tom -- Tomonori Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp URL: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] EN and ISO standards
Following up on this topic, anyone know where soft copy PDFs of the standards can be bought which are not locked to a single PC forever? At the rate we change PCs around here buying a soft copy locked to a PC isn’t even worth it. thanks -Dave From: Anthony Thomson [mailto:ton...@europe.com] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 4:41 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EN and ISO standards Nice tip Mike, thank you. e.g. EVS-EN ISO/IEC 17065:2012 from Estonia in Estonian English = 22 EUR (18 GBP). There are some licensing restrictions, i.e. unlimited viewing on a single PC with a maximum of 2 hard copy prints, but you can buy additional user licenses, e.g 5 user licenses are just 43 EUR (35 GBP), that's about 7 GBP a copy! From BSI in the UK, BS EN ISO/IEC 17065:2012 costs 168 GBP for non-members and 84 GBP for members, with membership starting at 184 GBP for organisations of between 1 and 5 employees. Interestingly, the English only language version from Estonia is 99 EUR (81 GBP), which is less than the BSI members price. But... it is said that if a deal seems too good to be true, then it IS too good to be true. I'd be interested to know if/what the catch is here. Otherwise, I might just go into the standards brokering business! ;-) Thanks, Tony - Original Message - From: Mike Sherman - Original Message - Sent: 05/15/14 10:25 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EN and ISO standards Not aware of any price breaks through IEEE. Best pricing I've found is through Estonia: http://www.evs.ee/shop Mike Sherman Graco Inc. From: Dave Nyffenegger dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:51:53 AM Subject: [PSES] EN and ISO standards Anyone know if we can get any breaks on purchasing EN or ISO standards through IEEE? -Dave David P. Nyffenegger, PMP, SM-IEEE Product Development Manager Bell and Howell - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to LT;emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.orgGT; All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas LT;emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.netGT; Mike Cantwell LT;mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.orgGT; For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher LT;j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.orgGT; David Heald LT;dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.comGT; - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell
Re: [PSES] EN and ISO standards
Estonia offers a multi-user license for a reasonable price; I have not yet encountered any locking problems with these multi-licensed copies. Mike - Original Message - From: Dave Nyffenegger dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com To: EMC-PSTC EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 11:52:26 AM Subject: Re: [PSES] EN and ISO standards Following up on this topic, anyone know where soft copy PDFs of the standards can be bought which are not locked to a single PC forever? At the rate we change PCs around here buying a soft copy locked to a PC isn’t even worth it. thanks -Dave From: Anthony Thomson [mailto:ton...@europe.com] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 4:41 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EN and ISO standards Nice tip Mike, thank you. e.g. EVS-EN ISO/IEC 17065:2012 from Estonia in Estonian English = 22 EUR (18 GBP). There are some licensing restrictions, i.e. unlimited viewing on a single PC with a maximum of 2 hard copy prints, but you can buy additional user licenses, e.g 5 user licenses are just 43 EUR (35 GBP), that's about 7 GBP a copy! From BSI in the UK, BS EN ISO/IEC 17065:2012 costs 168 GBP for non-members and 84 GBP for members, with membership starting at 184 GBP for organisations of between 1 and 5 employees. Interestingly, the English only language version from Estonia is 99 EUR (81 GBP), which is less than the BSI members price. But... it is said that if a deal seems too good to be true, then it IS too good to be true. I'd be interested to know if/what the catch is here. Otherwise, I might just go into the standards brokering business! ;-) Thanks, Tony - Original Message - From: Mike Sherman - Original Message - Sent: 05/15/14 10:25 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EN and ISO standards Not aware of any price breaks through IEEE. Best pricing I've found is through Estonia: http://www.evs.ee/shop Mike Sherman Graco Inc. From: Dave Nyffenegger dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:51:53 AM Subject: [PSES] EN and ISO standards Anyone know if we can get any breaks on purchasing EN or ISO standards through IEEE? -Dave David P. Nyffenegger, PMP, SM-IEEE Product Development Manager Bell and Howell - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to LT; emc-p...@ieee.org GT; All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas LT; emcp...@radiusnorth.net GT; Mike Cantwell LT; mcantw...@ieee.org GT; For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher LT; j.bac...@ieee.org GT; David Heald LT; dhe...@gmail.com GT; - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help,
Re: [PSES] EN and ISO standards
I purchase standards from Estonia and when you change computers all you have to do is send them an email and they will reset something and the files will get locked to the next computer that opens the files. It took a day or so for emails to go back and forth but otherwise the process went smoothly. I’m soon to get another computer upgrade so I’ll have to do this again. I’m hoping it will go a smooth as last time. The Other Brian From: Mike Sherman - Original Message - [mailto:msherma...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 1:03 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EN and ISO standards Estonia offers a multi-user license for a reasonable price; I have not yet encountered any locking problems with these multi-licensed copies. Mike From: Dave Nyffenegger dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.commailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com To: EMC-PSTC EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 11:52:26 AM Subject: Re: [PSES] EN and ISO standards Following up on this topic, anyone know where soft copy PDFs of the standards can be bought which are not locked to a single PC forever? At the rate we change PCs around here buying a soft copy locked to a PC isn’t even worth it. thanks -Dave From: Anthony Thomson [mailto:ton...@europe.com] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 4:41 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EN and ISO standards Nice tip Mike, thank you. e.g. EVS-EN ISO/IEC 17065:2012 from Estonia in Estonian English = 22 EUR (18 GBP). There are some licensing restrictions, i.e. unlimited viewing on a single PC with a maximum of 2 hard copy prints, but you can buy additional user licenses, e.g 5 user licenses are just 43 EUR (35 GBP), that's about 7 GBP a copy! From BSI in the UK, BS EN ISO/IEC 17065:2012 costs 168 GBP for non-members and 84 GBP for members, with membership starting at 184 GBP for organisations of between 1 and 5 employees. Interestingly, the English only language version from Estonia is 99 EUR (81 GBP), which is less than the BSI members price. But... it is said that if a deal seems too good to be true, then it IS too good to be true. I'd be interested to know if/what the catch is here. Otherwise, I might just go into the standards brokering business! ;-) Thanks, Tony - Original Message - From: Mike Sherman - Original Message - Sent: 05/15/14 10:25 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EN and ISO standards Not aware of any price breaks through IEEE. Best pricing I've found is through Estonia: http://www.evs.ee/shop Mike Sherman Graco Inc. From: Dave Nyffenegger dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.commailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:51:53 AM Subject: [PSES] EN and ISO standards Anyone know if we can get any breaks on purchasing EN or ISO standards through IEEE? -Dave David P. Nyffenegger, PMP, SM-IEEE Product Development Manager Bell and Howell - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to LT;emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.orgGT; All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the
[PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube
Testing has changed over time, or not? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TF2DZ0E0Q4 Dieter - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube
Awesome. At 10 minutes into the video, that green instrument the lady is putting the crucible in is a LECO Carbon/Sulfur Analyzer. We still make these but of course they're much improved today. What a blast from the past. Thanks, The Other Brian From: Paasche, Dieter [mailto:dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 3:19 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube Testing has changed over time, or not? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TF2DZ0E0Q4 Dieter - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube
This was truly fascinating - from the height of the pants to the tools they were using. I noticed the open field test site and I sure hope they were looking at specific frequencies since they were doing that with dipole antennas, and I'll bet it was a receiver not a spectrum analyzer. I had intended just to give this a quick look but the process, tools, and effort that existed kept me glued to the video. I sort of inferred that quality might be related to belt height. The guys had them up around their arm pits - too often it's well below the waist these days. Gmac From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 1:45 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube Awesome. At 10 minutes into the video, that green instrument the lady is putting the crucible in is a LECO Carbon/Sulfur Analyzer. We still make these but of course they're much improved today. What a blast from the past. Thanks, The Other Brian From: Paasche, Dieter [mailto:dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 3:19 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube Testing has changed over time, or not? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TF2DZ0E0Q4https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3D5TF2DZ0E0Q4k=b2vlTQszY8VIpYRvaG%2By2A%3D%3D%0Ar=wfHsZjj2K46njWikwK7lPtcx6a6MPoEnW107Er86quU%3D%0Am=Q1NzhYNV6iiFLL0DYuruGAWB4l6mcMVXMJIcDPBMotU%3D%0As=f699d320d7fbe65915651293b83cbbf58c946019167ec599249a0b193ba12f37 Dieter - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.htmlhttps://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.htmlk=b2vlTQszY8VIpYRvaG%2By2A%3D%3D%0Ar=wfHsZjj2K46njWikwK7lPtcx6a6MPoEnW107Er86quU%3D%0Am=Q1NzhYNV6iiFLL0DYuruGAWB4l6mcMVXMJIcDPBMotU%3D%0As=0f97e8e5deac23b0697488eb81a97c45f2b6987a0bae3e15830aebfe6e16ad94 Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/k=b2vlTQszY8VIpYRvaG%2By2A%3D%3D%0Ar=wfHsZjj2K46njWikwK7lPtcx6a6MPoEnW107Er86quU%3D%0Am=Q1NzhYNV6iiFLL0DYuruGAWB4l6mcMVXMJIcDPBMotU%3D%0As=3263b0381e2d754bc594d6fb3aefb094fc06bed6ad550b2b93a562c0c3c4e387 can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.ieee-pses.org/k=b2vlTQszY8VIpYRvaG%2By2A%3D%3D%0Ar=wfHsZjj2K46njWikwK7lPtcx6a6MPoEnW107Er86quU%3D%0Am=Q1NzhYNV6iiFLL0DYuruGAWB4l6mcMVXMJIcDPBMotU%3D%0As=329ded19b1a5fd5474b10972491c20929d5c1923d445593981f4cef843943cd8 Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.htmlk=b2vlTQszY8VIpYRvaG%2By2A%3D%3D%0Ar=wfHsZjj2K46njWikwK7lPtcx6a6MPoEnW107Er86quU%3D%0Am=Q1NzhYNV6iiFLL0DYuruGAWB4l6mcMVXMJIcDPBMotU%3D%0As=35e23cb1badb516bcf7f8f2c54f004d77d7dfbf21c549ef17b7bb3e6b0ff55a7 List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.htmlhttps://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.htmlk=b2vlTQszY8VIpYRvaG%2By2A%3D%3D%0Ar=wfHsZjj2K46njWikwK7lPtcx6a6MPoEnW107Er86quU%3D%0Am=Q1NzhYNV6iiFLL0DYuruGAWB4l6mcMVXMJIcDPBMotU%3D%0As=ab6368103ae5c99c22dcf9bd85f7e70fe6dcc873c3b09ec4654edbe561acdfb0 For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
Re: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube
Interesting look back at 1950's manufacturing, especially from a Quality Assurance, Test and OHS perspective. No workers were using any kind of obvious PPE except a few on the soldering lines. No hearing protection, dust masks, safety glasses or other PPE that I could see. Ergonomics sucked in most cases. From a QA standpoint, it looked to me as if they were trying valiantly to test quality in, rather than build it in. The outdoor open-area-test site was pretty interesting too. These are normally inside inflatable structures now, so you can work in crappy weather as well as good. Cool in any case. Thanks for sharing this, Dieter! Doug On 12-Jun-14, at 15:19, Paasche, Dieter dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com wrote: Testing has changed over time,…. or not? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TF2DZ0E0Q4 Dieter - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube
Not to mention those really cool heavy, black, straight earpiece eyeglasses. Ed Price WB6WSN Chula Vista, CA USA 1961 Amphicar 770 2001 Fleetwood Storm 31W 2008 Ford Explorer From: Gary McInturff [mailto:gary.mcintu...@esterline.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 2:37 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube This was truly fascinating - from the height of the pants to the tools they were using. I noticed the open field test site and I sure hope they were looking at specific frequencies since they were doing that with dipole antennas, and I'll bet it was a receiver not a spectrum analyzer. I had intended just to give this a quick look but the process, tools, and effort that existed kept me glued to the video. I sort of inferred that quality might be related to belt height. The guys had them up around their arm pits - too often it's well below the waist these days. Gmac From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 1:45 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube Awesome. At 10 minutes into the video, that green instrument the lady is putting the crucible in is a LECO Carbon/Sulfur Analyzer. We still make these but of course they're much improved today. What a blast from the past. Thanks, The Other Brian From: Paasche, Dieter [mailto:dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 3:19 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube Testing has changed over time,.. or not? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TF2DZ0E0Q4 https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3 D5TF2DZ0E0Q4k=b2vlTQszY8VIpYRvaG%2By2A%3D%3D%0Ar=wfHsZjj2K46njWikwK7lPtcx6 a6MPoEnW107Er86quU%3D%0Am=Q1NzhYNV6iiFLL0DYuruGAWB4l6mcMVXMJIcDPBMotU%3D%0A s=f699d320d7fbe65915651293b83cbbf58c946019167ec599249a0b193ba12f37 Dieter - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pst c.htmlk=b2vlTQszY8VIpYRvaG%2By2A%3D%3D%0Ar=wfHsZjj2K46njWikwK7lPtcx6a6MPoE nW107Er86quU%3D%0Am=Q1NzhYNV6iiFLL0DYuruGAWB4l6mcMVXMJIcDPBMotU%3D%0As=0f9 7e8e5deac23b0697488eb81a97c45f2b6987a0bae3e15830aebfe6e16ad94 Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://product-compliance.oc.iee e.org/k=b2vlTQszY8VIpYRvaG%2By2A%3D%3D%0Ar=wfHsZjj2K46njWikwK7lPtcx6a6MPoE nW107Er86quU%3D%0Am=Q1NzhYNV6iiFLL0DYuruGAWB4l6mcMVXMJIcDPBMotU%3D%0As=326 3b0381e2d754bc594d6fb3aefb094fc06bed6ad550b2b93a562c0c3c4e387 can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.ieee-pses.org/k=b2vl TQszY8VIpYRvaG%2By2A%3D%3D%0Ar=wfHsZjj2K46njWikwK7lPtcx6a6MPoEnW107Er86quU% 3D%0Am=Q1NzhYNV6iiFLL0DYuruGAWB4l6mcMVXMJIcDPBMotU%3D%0As=329ded19b1a5fd54 74b10972491c20929d5c1923d445593981f4cef843943cd8 Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.ht mlk=b2vlTQszY8VIpYRvaG%2By2A%3D%3D%0Ar=wfHsZjj2K46njWikwK7lPtcx6a6MPoEnW10 7Er86quU%3D%0Am=Q1NzhYNV6iiFLL0DYuruGAWB4l6mcMVXMJIcDPBMotU%3D%0As=35e23cb 1badb516bcf7f8f2c54f004d77d7dfbf21c549ef17b7bb3e6b0ff55a7 List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrul es.htmlk=b2vlTQszY8VIpYRvaG%2By2A%3D%3D%0Ar=wfHsZjj2K46njWikwK7lPtcx6a6MPo EnW107Er86quU%3D%0Am=Q1NzhYNV6iiFLL0DYuruGAWB4l6mcMVXMJIcDPBMotU%3D%0As=ab 6368103ae5c99c22dcf9bd85f7e70fe6dcc873c3b09ec4654edbe561acdfb0 For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com _ LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html
Re: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube
I think I saw an inverted plastic wastebasket protecting the top of the antenna range vertically scanned receive antenna mast. I also liked the Stoddart NM-22 or NM-30 series EMI receivers, plus the old Tek 500 series oscilloscope (bigger than Snoopy's doghouse) on its big roll-around shop cart. It's amazing to see how many processes were performed with so many uncontrolled variables and just how much labor content was expended. I also liked the big roll mill used to process phosphors; one of my early jobs was with a company that made technical ceramics (electronics components from exotic dirts). BTW, how did they make those shadow masks? Ed Price WB6WSN Chula Vista, CA USA 1961 Amphicar 770 2001 Fleetwood Storm 31W 2008 Ford Explorer From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 1:45 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube Awesome. At 10 minutes into the video, that green instrument the lady is putting the crucible in is a LECO Carbon/Sulfur Analyzer. We still make these but of course they're much improved today. What a blast from the past. Thanks, The Other Brian From: Paasche, Dieter [mailto:dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 3:19 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube Testing has changed over time,.. or not? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TF2DZ0E0Q4 Dieter - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com _ LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Safety Interlock Switches
Many moons ago I went through this exact same cycle. VDE did not like our refrigerator switch so we went hunting. We eventually settled on a Cherry F82A series switch that calmed the VDE engineer down. These may not be available any more. They were rated 50,000 operations. http://tinyurl.com/lrbspbn Then later this was changed out to use a Micro Switch WW1K05D-D9. These were rated 100,000 operations. http://tinyurl.com/nkaaye4 What I liked about this switch is that is has this little plastic I shaped piece that can be inserted to cheat the interlock. But if you try to close the cover with that in place, you either can't or more likely the cover will dislodge the cheat and cause normal operation to be restored. Just a little something from the way-back machine. On 6/11/2014 8:49 AM, CR wrote: On 6/10/2014 11:39 PM, Nyffenegger, Dave wrote: EN 60950-1 says that interlocks must be designed to prevent inadvertent reactivation and that the ability to operate the interlock with a test finger is considered likely to cause inadvertent reactivation of the hazard. How do they expect the equipment to powered up for troubleshooting? The 300 Kg office copier; it has a combination safe holding the interlock. Cortland Richmond - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
