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Re: [PSES] Dielectric Grease

2015-08-28 Thread Douglas Powell

Thanks,  

I'll check it out.  


Doug


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From: Brian Oconnell
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Dielectric Grease

Looked at the stuff we have on the shelf -> 'MOLYKOTE G-5008'

Brian

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:25 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Dielectric Grease

Perhaps this is the Dow Corning 'molykote' grease?

Brian

From: Douglas Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:11 AM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Dielectric Grease

Ted,

I'm about 80% certain. It was being used around automotive ignition systems. I 
am looking into the idea of a gel dielectric and hoping to find an abundant 
source.  

Thanks, Doug




From: Ted Eckert
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:21 AM
To: doug...@gmail.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] Dielectric Grease

Hello Doug,
 
How confident are you that the grease in question is a dielectric grease? Your 
description sounds a lot like some of the high temperature automotive and 
industrial greases. There are a few brands of synthetic grease that have a 
green color. They aren’t tested for their electrical properties, but they are 
designed for high temperature use. 
 
Ted Eckert
Compliance Engineer
Microsoft Corporation
ted.eck...@microsoft.com
 
The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my 
employer.
 
From: Douglas Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 8:20 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Dielectric Grease
 
All,
 
I am trying to locate a particular high voltage insulating grease or gel.   I 
am unable to identify the manufacturer and ty‎pe.   The only description I can 
give at this point is the appearance which is green in color with an iridescent 
sheen. It looks much like automotive antifreeze fluid only thick like grease.
 
Any help is much appreciated.  
 
-Doug
 
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Re: [PSES] Dielectric Grease

2015-08-28 Thread Brian Oconnell

Looked at the stuff we have on the shelf ->  'MOLYKOTE G-5008'

Brian

-Original Message-
From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:25 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Dielectric Grease

Perhaps this is the Dow Corning 'molykote' grease?

Brian

From: Douglas Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:11 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Dielectric Grease

Ted,

I'm about 80% certain. It was being used around automotive ignition systems. I 
am looking into the idea of a gel dielectric and hoping to find an abundant 
source.  

Thanks, Doug

From: Ted Eckert
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:21 AM
To: doug...@gmail.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] Dielectric Grease

Hello Doug,

How confident are you that the grease in question is a dielectric grease? Your 
description sounds a lot like some of the high temperature automotive and 
industrial greases. There are a few brands of synthetic grease that have a 
green color. They aren’t tested for their electrical properties, but they are 
designed for high temperature use. 

Ted Eckert
Compliance Engineer
Microsoft Corporation
ted.eck...@microsoft.com

The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my 
employer.

From: Douglas Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 8:20 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Dielectric Grease

All,

I am trying to locate a particular high voltage insulating grease or gel.   I 
am unable to identify the manufacturer and ty‎pe.   The only description I can 
give at this point is the appearance which is green in color with an iridescent 
sheen. It looks much like automotive antifreeze fluid only thick like grease.

Any help is much appreciated.  

-Doug

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Re: [PSES] Dielectric Grease

2015-08-28 Thread Brian Oconnell

Perhaps this is the Dow Corning 'molykote' grease?

Brian

From: Douglas Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:11 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Dielectric Grease

Ted,

I'm about 80% certain. It was being used around automotive ignition systems. I 
am looking into the idea of a gel dielectric and hoping to find an abundant 
source.  

Thanks, Doug

From: Ted Eckert
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:21 AM
To: doug...@gmail.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] Dielectric Grease

Hello Doug,

How confident are you that the grease in question is a dielectric grease? Your 
description sounds a lot like some of the high temperature automotive and 
industrial greases. There are a few brands of synthetic grease that have a 
green color. They aren’t tested for their electrical properties, but they are 
designed for high temperature use. 

Ted Eckert
Compliance Engineer
Microsoft Corporation
ted.eck...@microsoft.com

The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my 
employer.

From: Douglas Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 8:20 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Dielectric Grease

All,

I am trying to locate a particular high voltage insulating grease or gel.   I 
am unable to identify the manufacturer and ty‎pe.   The only description I can 
give at this point is the appearance which is green in color with an iridescent 
sheen. It looks much like automotive antifreeze fluid only thick like grease.

Any help is much appreciated.  

-Doug

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Re: [PSES] Dielectric Grease

2015-08-28 Thread Douglas Powell

  Ted,I'm about 80% certain. It was being used around automotive ignition systems. I am looking into the idea of a gel dielectric and hoping to find an abundant source.  Thanks, Doug   From: Ted EckertSent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:21 AMTo: doug...@gmail.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGSubject: RE: [PSES] Dielectric Grease







Hello Doug,
 
How confident are you that the grease in question is a dielectric grease? Your description sounds a lot like some of the high temperature automotive and industrial
 greases. There are a few brands of synthetic grease that have a green color. They aren’t tested for their electrical properties, but they are designed for high temperature use.

 

Ted Eckert
Compliance Engineer
Microsoft Corporation
ted.eck...@microsoft.com
 
The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer.

 


From: Douglas Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com]

Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 8:20 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Dielectric Grease


 

All,


 


I am trying to locate a particular high voltage insulating grease or gel.   I am unable to identify the manufacturer and ty‎pe.   The only description I can give at this point
 is the appearance which is green in color with an iridescent sheen. It looks much like automotive antifreeze fluid only thick like grease.


 


Any help is much appreciated.  


 


-Doug


 


Douglas E Powell


http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01


 

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Re: [PSES] Dielectric Grease

2015-08-28 Thread Ted Eckert

Hello Doug,

How confident are you that the grease in question is a dielectric grease? Your 
description sounds a lot like some of the high temperature automotive and 
industrial greases. There are a few brands of synthetic grease that have a 
green color. They aren’t tested for their electrical properties, but they are 
designed for high temperature use.

Ted Eckert
Compliance Engineer
Microsoft Corporation
ted.eck...@microsoft.com

The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my 
employer.

From: Douglas Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 8:20 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Dielectric Grease

All,

I am trying to locate a particular high voltage insulating grease or gel.   I 
am unable to identify the manufacturer and ty‎pe.   The only description I can 
give at this point is the appearance which is green in color with an iridescent 
sheen. It looks much like automotive antifreeze fluid only thick like grease.

Any help is much appreciated.

-Doug

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Re: [PSES] CE Marking on Packaging of Assembly Components

2015-08-28 Thread Carl Newton


Thanks to all who responded to my post.  They've been very helpful.

Carl

On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 08:39:13 -0400, Carl Newton  wrote:


Group,

I'm dealing with a scenario in which a storage assembly that includes  
some electronic functionality is assembled on-site by end-users.   
Various elements of this storage product are shipped from different  
factories.  One package may include the electronic subassembly that has  
the product label attached.  Another package may include plastic panels  
with no inherent standalone function (RoHS does not apply at this  
time).  The set of component packages that comprise the product are  
imported into the EU  from the USA.  The UK distributor has asked that  
all packages have the CE Marking on the box.  I'm reluctant to sign-up  
to this procedure in view of the fact that the CE Marking should not be  
applied to most sub-assemblies.


I've reviewed the 2014 Blue Guide, Regulation (EC) No 765/2008, and  
768/2008/E seeking guidance on this scenario but find nothing.  Is  
anybody within the group aware of some form of legal guidance that  
applies?


Thanks,

Carl



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Re: [PSES] CE Marking on Packaging of Assembly Components

2015-08-28 Thread Carl Newton


Good feedback John.  Thanks very much.

Carl

On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 13:56:05 -0400, John Allen  
 wrote:



Carl

Personally, I would:

- Decide what is the most major part of the product which has a visible
external surface which be carrying all the other product identification
marking, and then put the  CE marking on that part;
- Make sure that the product documentation going to the customers clearly
states that the product will only be compliant with all relevant "CE
Directives" and the DoC when assembled and installed according to the
detailed instructions you provide.
- Before making the final decisions, take a look at the recently updated
Commission "Blue Guide" - and particularly Chp 2 Section 2.1 "Product
Coverage" and the para beginning "A combination of products..." on Page  
18

and Chp 4 Section 4.2.2.3 "Identification element" on Page 49.

John Allen
W.London, UK
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From: Chuck McDowell [mailto:chu...@meyersound.com]
Sent: 27 August 2015 17:52
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking on Packaging of Assembly Components

I can across this European Commission document on spare parts this week.  
It

maybe of interest.
I believe it states that for EMC Directive OEM parts do not require a DoC
ergo no CE mark.
 Google "APPLICATION OF EMC DIRECTIVE AND/OR EMC VEHICLE DIRECTIVE TO
AFTERMARKET EQUIPMENT"

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=
8&ved=0CB4QFjAAahUKEwjfy73C2MnHAhUQRYgKHWphDz4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fec.europa.eu
%2FDocsRoom%2Fdocuments%2F4543%2Fattachments%2F1%2Ftranslations%2Fen%2Frendi
tions%2Fnative&ei=7zvfVZ-YL5CKoQTqwr3wAw&usg=AFQjCNHmvmnYBItTKhMu7bZUXyC2ols
YGA

See if category B applies to you sub-assemblies?


Chuck McDowell
Compliance Specialist
Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc.


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From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 8:28 AM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking on Packaging of Assembly Components

It depends on which directives apply to the product/components.  The
Machinery Direct is clear that partly complete machinery is not to carry  
a

CE mark to avoid confusion when it's integrated with the complete system.
Partly completed machinery should be accompanied by a DoI.However if
your items are not machinery but instead fall under the LVD for example  
and
you are going to provide a separate DoC for those items then it would  
make
sense that they be marked.   If you are not providing a separate DoC/DoI  
for
these items because they have not been assessed as individual products  
then

perhaps provide documentation/statement that they are part of the larger
system to be integrated and provide a copy of the DoC of the complete  
system
but do not CE mark the items/shipping container itself.  I wouldn't put  
a CE
mark on a component that falls under MD or LVD without having a DoC/DoI  
and

technical file to back it up.

-Dave

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From: Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 8:39 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] CE Marking on Packaging of Assembly Components

Group,

I'm dealing with a scenario in which a storage assembly that includes  
some

electronic functionality is assembled on-site by end-users.  Various
elements of this storage product are shipped from different factories.
One package may include the electronic subassembly that has the product
label attached.  Another package may include plastic panels with no  
inherent

standalone function (RoHS does not apply at this time).  The set of
component packages that comprise the product are imported into the EU   
from
the USA.  The UK distributor has asked that all packages have the CE  
Marking
on the box.  I'm reluctant to sign-up to this procedure in view of the  
fact

that the CE Marking should not be applied to most sub-assemblies.


I've reviewed the 2014 Blue Guide, Regulation (EC) No 765/2008, and
768/2008/E seeking guidance on this scenario but find nothing.  Is  
anybody

within the group aware of some form of legal guidance that applies?

Thanks,

Carl

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