[PSES] SV: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment

2016-04-22 Thread Amund Westin 
If a manufacturer label the product as , they do not have any
responsibility if the end user is using it in an residential environment
with its potential risk for making disturbance?

 

Mvh Amund  

 

 

Fra: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
[mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl] 
Sendt: 8. desember 2015 18:55
Til: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Emne: Re: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment

 

1.

Independent of the standards, the EMC directive requires marking on
typeplate and/or documentation if an equipment is non-residential.

 

2.

Unwilling standards committees have been "reluctant" in including  the
definitions in written in their standards. 

CISPR I has been notorious in these for years, by not even defining Class A
for immunity (CISPR 24).

There are ample standards and EC documents giving an appropriate
definitions, in general something

like:

 

If it is predominantly used for households or is connected to a
residentially used power newtwork

the equipment will be residential or often said "Class B". 

If connected to a private power network then it should be Industrial or
"Class A".

 

One standard that comes to mind that gives a good description including
examples is EN 61326-1:2013.

An EC document TC210/Sec0515/INF from 2007 addresses the topic in full and
includes the recommendation to

include a common definition in all harmonized standards.

 

Gert Gremmen

 

Van: Bill Stumpf [mailto:bstu...@dlsemc.com] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 8 december 2015 14:38
Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG  
Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment

 

Ian,

 

There is no definition of "residential" environment in the standard or the
EMC Guide.  For reference, the FCC classifies products into consumer (Class
B) and non-consumer (Class A) categories.  In Europe the manufacturer has a
similar responsibility to make a product that meets the EMC requirements
appropriate for the intended use of the product. For some products it is
more or less up to the end user to determine if a Class A or Class B
compliant product is appropriate. 

 

You will find the Class A warning statement in the EN 55032 standard, Clause
7.

 

Class A equipment shall have the following warning in the instructions for
use, to inform the

user of the risk of operating this equipment in a residential environment:

 

W arning: This equipment is compliant with Class A of CISPR 32. In a
residential

environment this equipment may cause radio interference.

 

 

Bill Stumpf - Lab / Technical Manager

D.L.S. Electronic Systems, Inc.

166 South Carter Street

Genoa City WI 53128

Ph: 262-279-0210

 

 

 

From: McBurney, Ian [mailto:ian.mcbur...@allen-heath.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 2:55 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG  
Subject: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment

 

Dear colleagues

 

In the 2015 edition of EN 55032 an interesting statement in clause 4.
"Equipment intended primarily for use in a residential environment shall
meet the class B limits. All other equipment shall comply with the Class A
limits."
I am unable to locate a definition for residential environment in the
standard. Does anyone know of an official definition? Would sports stadia,
theatres, hospitals, commercial industrial estates located in residential
housing be included in residential environments?

If the product is Class A, is the warning notice still required? "Warning.
This is a Class A product. In a domestic environment this product may cause
radio interference in which case the user may be required to take adequate
measures." This used to be a requirement in EN 55022.

 

Many thanks in advance.

 

Ian McBurney

Design & Compliance Engineer.

 

Allen & Heath Ltd.

Kernick Industrial Estate,

Penryn, Cornwall. TR10 9LU. UK

T: 01326 372070

E: ian.mcbur...@allen-heath.com  

 

 

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Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment

2016-04-22 Thread Rodney Davis 
Remember first are foremost. If a product is marketed and primarily intended 
for consumer / residential use it SHALL be class B. Having said this if you 
have a product which is not intended to be used in the class b environment and 
it happens to make it's way there . No you are not responsible..


Rodney Davis




From: Amund Westin 
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 6:35 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] SV: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment


If a manufacturer label the product as «Class A», they do not have any 
responsibility if the end user is using it in an residential environment with 
its potential risk for making disturbance?



Mvh Amund





Fra: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl]
Sendt: 8. desember 2015 18:55
Til: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Emne: Re: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment



1.

Independent of the standards, the EMC directive requires marking on typeplate 
and/or documentation if an equipment is non-residential.



2.

Unwilling standards committees have been “reluctant” in including  the 
definitions in written in their standards.

CISPR I has been notorious in these for years, by not even defining Class A for 
immunity (CISPR 24).

There are ample standards and EC documents giving an appropriate definitions, 
in general something

like:



If it is predominantly used for households or is connected to a residentially 
used power newtwork

the equipment will be residential or often said “Class B”.

If connected to a private power network then it should be Industrial or “Class 
A”.



One standard that comes to mind that gives a good description including 
examples is EN 61326-1:2013.

An EC document TC210/Sec0515/INF from 2007 addresses the topic in full and 
includes the recommendation to

include a common definition in all harmonized standards.



Gert Gremmen



Van: Bill Stumpf [mailto:bstu...@dlsemc.com]
Verzonden: dinsdag 8 december 2015 14:38
Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment



Ian,



There is no definition of "residential" environment in the standard or the EMC 
Guide.  For reference, the FCC classifies products into consumer (Class B) and 
non-consumer (Class A) categories.  In Europe the manufacturer has a similar 
responsibility to make a product that meets the EMC requirements appropriate 
for the intended use of the product. For some products it is more or less up to 
the end user to determine if a Class A or Class B compliant product is 
appropriate.



You will find the Class A warning statement in the EN 55032 standard, Clause 7.



Class A equipment shall have the following warning in the instructions for use, 
to inform the

user of the risk of operating this equipment in a residential environment:



W arning: This equipment is compliant with Class A of CISPR 32. In a residential

environment this equipment may cause radio interference.





Bill Stumpf - Lab / Technical Manager

D.L.S. Electronic Systems, Inc.

166 South Carter Street

Genoa City WI 53128

Ph: 262-279-0210







From: McBurney, Ian [mailto:ian.mcbur...@allen-heath.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 2:55 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment



Dear colleagues



In the 2015 edition of EN 55032 an interesting statement in clause 4. 
"Equipment intended primarily for use in a residential environment shall meet 
the class B limits. All other equipment shall comply with the Class A limits."
I am unable to locate a definition for residential environment in the standard. 
Does anyone know of an official definition? Would sports stadia, theatres, 
hospitals, commercial industrial estates located in residential housing be 
included in residential environments?

If the product is Class A, is the warning notice still required? “Warning. This 
is a Class A product. In a domestic environment this product may cause radio 
interference in which case the user may be required to take adequate measures.” 
This used to be a requirement in EN 55022.



Many thanks in advance.



Ian McBurney

Design & Compliance Engineer.



Allen & Heath Ltd.

Kernick Industrial Estate,

Penryn, Cornwall. TR10 9LU. UK

T: 01326 372070

E: ian.mcbur...@allen-heath.com





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Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment

2016-04-22 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen 
> No you are not responsible..

IF the product is marked accordingly on its typeplate.  See 2004/108/EU.

Regards,

Ing. Gert Gremmen
Approvals manager



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Subject: Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment

Remember first are foremost. If a product is marketed and primarily intended 
for consumer / residential use it SHALL be class B. Having said this if you 
have a product which is not intended to be used in the class b environment and 
it happens to make it's way there . No you are not responsible..

Rodney Davis



From: Amund Westin 
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 6:35 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] SV: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment 
 
If a manufacturer label the product as «Class A», they do not have any 
responsibility if the end user is using it in an residential environment with 
its potential risk for making disturbance?
 
Mvh Amund  
 
 
Fra: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl] 
Sendt: 8. desember 2015 18:55
Til: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Emne: Re: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment
 
1.
Independent of the standards, the EMC directive requires marking on typeplate 
and/or documentation if an equipment is non-residential.
 
2.
Unwilling standards committees have been "reluctant" in including  the 
definitions in written in their standards. 
CISPR I has been notorious in these for years, by not even defining Class A for 
immunity (CISPR 24).
There are ample standards and EC documents giving an appropriate definitions, 
in general something
like:
 
If it is predominantly used for households or is connected to a residentially 
used power newtwork
the equipment will be residential or often said "Class B". 
If connected to a private power network then it should be Industrial or "Class 
A".
 
One standard that comes to mind that gives a good description including 
examples is EN 61326-1:2013.
An EC document TC210/Sec0515/INF from 2007 addresses the topic in full and 
includes the recommendation to
include a common definition in all harmonized standards.
 
Gert Gremmen
 
Van: Bill Stumpf [mailto:bstu...@dlsemc.com] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 8 december 2015 14:38
Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment
 
Ian,
 
There is no definition of "residential" environment in the standard or the EMC 
Guide.  For reference, the FCC classifies products into consumer (Class B) and 
non-consumer (Class A) categories.  In Europe the manufacturer has a similar 
responsibility to make a product that meets the EMC requirements appropriate 
for the intended use of the product. For some products it is more or less up to 
the end user to determine if a Class A or Class B compliant product is 
appropriate. 
 
You will find the Class A warning statement in the EN 55032 standard, Clause 7.
 
Class A equipment shall have the following warning in the instructions for use, 
to inform the
user of the risk of operating this equipment in a residential environment:
 
W arning: This equipment is compliant with Class A of CISPR 32. In a residential
environment this equipment may cause radio interference.
 
 
Bill Stumpf - Lab / Technical Manager
D.L.S. Electronic Systems, Inc.
166 South Carter Street
Genoa City WI 53128
Ph: 262-279-0210
 
 
 
From: McBurney, Ian [mailto:ian.mcbur...@allen-heath.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 2:55 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment
 
Dear colleagues
 
In the 2015 edition of EN 55032 an interesting s

Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment

2016-04-22 Thread Rodney Davis 
2004/108/EU ?? It is April 22 , don't you mean 2014/30/EU :-)

To be clear though it is not what it is marked but rather marked correctly !  
If you have a PC sold from the local store marked Class A, you are at fault.

Rodney Davis

From: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen 
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 9:06 AM
To: Rodney Davis; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] SV: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment

> No you are not responsible..

IF the product is marked accordingly on its typeplate.  See 2004/108/EU.

Regards,

Ing. Gert Gremmen
Approvals manager



+ ce marking of electrical/electronic equipment
+ Independent Consultancy Services
+ Compliance Testing and Design for CE marking
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- Electrical Safety 2006/95/EC
- Medical Devices 93/42/EC
- Radio & Telecommunication Terminal Equipment 99/5/EC
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Subject: Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment

Remember first are foremost. If a product is marketed and primarily intended 
for consumer / residential use it SHALL be class B. Having said this if you 
have a product which is not intended to be used in the class b environment and 
it happens to make it's way there . No you are not responsible..

Rodney Davis



From: Amund Westin 
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 6:35 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] SV: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment

If a manufacturer label the product as «Class A», they do not have any 
responsibility if the end user is using it in an residential environment with 
its potential risk for making disturbance?

Mvh Amund


Fra: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl]
Sendt: 8. desember 2015 18:55
Til: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Emne: Re: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment

1.
Independent of the standards, the EMC directive requires marking on typeplate 
and/or documentation if an equipment is non-residential.

2.
Unwilling standards committees have been "reluctant" in including  the 
definitions in written in their standards.
CISPR I has been notorious in these for years, by not even defining Class A for 
immunity (CISPR 24).
There are ample standards and EC documents giving an appropriate definitions, 
in general something
like:

If it is predominantly used for households or is connected to a residentially 
used power newtwork
the equipment will be residential or often said "Class B".
If connected to a private power network then it should be Industrial or "Class 
A".

One standard that comes to mind that gives a good description including 
examples is EN 61326-1:2013.
An EC document TC210/Sec0515/INF from 2007 addresses the topic in full and 
includes the recommendation to
include a common definition in all harmonized standards.

Gert Gremmen

Van: Bill Stumpf [mailto:bstu...@dlsemc.com]
Verzonden: dinsdag 8 december 2015 14:38
Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment

Ian,

There is no definition of "residential" environment in the standard or the EMC 
Guide.  For reference, the FCC classifies products into consumer (Class B) and 
non-consumer (Class A) categories.  In Europe the manufacturer has a similar 
responsibility to make a product that meets the EMC requirements appropriate 
for the intended use of the product. For some products it is more or less up to 
the end user to determine if a Class A or Class B compliant product is 
appropriate.

You will find the Class A warning statement in the EN 55032 standard, Clause 7.

Class A equipment shall have the following warning in the instructions for use, 
to inform the
user of the risk of operating this equipment in a residential environment:

W arning: This equipment is compliant with Class A of CISPR 32. In a residential
environ

Re: [PSES] change address

2016-04-22 Thread Rodney Davis 
Can someone explain how I can change the email address in my account?


Rodney Davis




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[PSES] Instrument for IEC 60601-2-6 Measurement

2016-04-22 Thread Grace Lin 
Dear Members,

Could you please advise what type of instrument (manufacturer, model,
etc.)required to perform Unwanted Radiation (Clause 201.10.3.101) and
Leakage of Microwave Radiation (Clause 201.10.3.102) per IEC 60601-2-6?

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Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment

2016-04-22 Thread Cortland Richmond 

On 4/22/2016 9:21 AM, Rodney Davis wrote:

it is not what it is marked but rather marked correctly !  If you have a PC 
sold from the local store marked Class A, you are at fault.


Some years ago, I went around and around with my employer regarding our 
digital equipment mounted outside customer premises.  They wished to 
continue as Class A because it wasn't inside the customers houses, but 
the key to this was that they were actually installed in a residential 
neighborhood.


It took a lot of convincing.  However, an RFI complaint from an Amateur 
Radio operator in Illinois did the job; equipment my employer made, 
hanging from a messenger line  behind the residence, was interfering 
with reception of a repeater in a neighboring town, and had that showed 
up at the FCC it would have created a precedent the company didn't want.


In the event, there was a solution in progress, adding ground and power 
planes on what had previously been a double-sided board lacking them.  I 
had meanwhile found another solution adding a series terminating 
resistor on the errant clock trace from which the interference was radiated.


All's well that ends well.

Cortland Richmond

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[PSES]

2016-04-22 Thread Rodney Davis 
test email to Rodney

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Re: [PSES] power quality monitors/analyzers

2016-04-22 Thread Brian O'Connell 
PQ monitor is not same animal as power analyzer. If for "occasional field use", 
do not understand your I/O requirements.

For PQ/datalogging, make my own stuff. For power analyzer, tend to prefer 
Voltech and Fluke. Note that Voltech PAs were transferred to Tektronix.

Rent the most likely candidates before you buy.

Brian

From: Adam Dixon [mailto:lanterna.viri...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 8:55 PM
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Subject: [PSES] power quality monitors/analyzers

I would appreciate recommendations for power quality monitors/analyzers to use 
for occasional field use.  There are a couple of archive threads related to 
this (1999 and 2006) where a few manufacturers are shared.  I've searched the 
web several times in the past few weeks and it appears that there is a wide 
cost range depending on sample rate, single vs. three phase, low voltage only, 
networked, etc. and that the marketing term 'low cost' is relative.  ;-)
The power supplies with which I am working have a 20ms hold-up spec and are 
85-264VAC rated.  

Ideally it would be networked in some fashion, whether built-in Ethernet 
(TCP/IP) or tethered via USB or RS232 to a PC that is networked which may 
remain in-situ for hours to weeks depending on the test requirement.
Is there a make/model that you think has an obvious price/performance benefit 
and/or one that is quite low cost if evaluating rent vs purchase?
I have read datasheets from Fluke, Dranetz, Yokogawa, Hiok, Megger, PSL, Setra, 
Rockwell Automation, ACScout, ACR Systems and a few others which escape me at 
the moment.
Thanks for reading.

Cheers,
Adam

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[PSES] JOB OPPORTUNITY - CT

2016-04-22 Thread Mike Cantwell 
Hi all,

Below is an excerpt from a job opportunity from a recruiter. Please contact Joe 
Szlosek, directly, at j...@jasrecruitment.com 
if you are interested.


Senior Regulatory & Compliance Engineer

This role is located in Connecticut.  Relocation assistance is available.

Candidates must have experience in new product development, regulatory 
compliance and electrical products or software/firmware.

The preferred candidate will be highly motivated with demonstrated initiative, 
and have a fundamental understanding of product design and development 
methodologies within a regulated environment.


Good luck.

Regards,
Mike






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