[PSES] Product Compliance Symposium / Call For Papers or Presentations

2016-11-02 Thread Jim Bacher 
At the following link you will find the call for papers and presentations
for the 2017 IEEE Symposium on Product Compliance Engineering (ISPCE)

http://2017.psessymposium.org/

John Allen is again the track chair for the Compliance 101 track at the
symposium.  You can contact John at this email address:
jral...@productsafetyinc.com

I will once again be the track chair for the EMC and Wireless Track at the
symposium.  I am looking for 101 / introductory presentations. My email
address is: j.bac...@ieee.org

You are welcome to contact us directly if you have any questions about
doing a paper or presentation.

Jim

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Re: [PSES] ETSI EN 302 195 V2.1.1

2016-11-02 Thread John Woodgate 
That's how it should be, and was, but the Commission insists that a standard 
isn't harmonized *until* it is listed.
 
With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only
  www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and 
Associates Rayleigh England
 
Sylvae in aeternum manent.
 
From: dward [mailto:dw...@pctestlab.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 5:25 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] ETSI EN 302 195 V2.1.1
 
Michael make an excellent point.  A standard is not harmonized because it is in 
the OJ.  It gets in the OJ because it is harmonized; and presumption of 
compliance to a directive is only able to be done when an already harmonized 
standard is listed in the OJ.
 
​
Dennis Ward
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From: Michael Derby [mailto:micha...@acbcert.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 8:28 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG  
Subject: Re: [PSES] ETSI EN 302 195 V2.1.1
 
Hi Grace,
 
Are you asking because the word “Harmonised” appears in the title of the 
standard?
 
No, it does not mean that it can be used for presumption of conformity to the 
RED.
 
Basically…..
 
When you work at ETSI, the basic document template you start with… has that 
wording in the title.
You work on the standard (as a Draft) and then it is finally voted and 
published.   
When published, it is a “Harmonised Standard” because people agree it is a good 
standard.
 
The next step is for the EU Commission to decide if it is suitable to 
demonstrate presumption of conformity to the EU Directive (in this case, the 
RED).   If they think so, then it is added to the OJ.
 
When (if) the standard appears on the OJ, then it does provide presumption of 
conformity (if you fully, correctly, test to it; and pass)
 
Just because it has the word “Harmonised” on the front page, does not mean it 
is in the OJ.
 
 
Actually this is an interesting little thing here.   Often, many of us (myself 
included) will say things like  “Is that standard harmonised yet?” or “I used 
the Harmonised standard”.   But, strictly speaking, that is not great 
terminology.
What we really mean is:  “Is the standard harmonised and listed on the Official 
Journal yet?”
Technically speaking, a standard can be “Harmonised” when it has been voted and 
finally published.
It is a harmonised standard which is actually listed on the Official Journal, 
which provides the presumption of conformity.
 
 
Thanks,
 
Michael.
 
 
 
From: Grace Lin [mailto:graceli...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 02 November 2016 14:39
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG  
Subject: [PSES] ETSI EN 302 195 V2.1.1
 
Dear Members,
 
The title on the cover page of the ETSI EN 302 195 V2.1.1 states:
 
"
Short Range Devices (SRD);
Ultra Low Power Active Medical Implants (ULP-AMI) and accessories (ULP-AMI-P) 
operating in the frequency range 9 kHz to 315 kHz
Harmonised Standard covering the essential requirements of article 3.2 of the 
Directive 2014/53/EU
"
 
This standard has not been published on OJ (as October 14, 2016).  Can a 
Declaration of Conformity list this standard to demonstrate compliance with the 
essential requirements?
 
Thank you very much and I look forward to hearing from you.
 
Best regards,
Grace Lin
 
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Re: [PSES] ETSI EN 302 195 V2.1.1

2016-11-02 Thread John Woodgate 
In fact, the Commission hi-jacked the term 'harmonized' from the original 
meaning ' when it has been voted and finally published [as an EN]' to mean 
'published in the OJ'. 
 
With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only
  www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and 
Associates Rayleigh England
 
Sylvae in aeternum manent.
 
From: Michael Derby [mailto:micha...@acbcert.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 3:28 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] ETSI EN 302 195 V2.1.1
 
Hi Grace,
 
Are you asking because the word “Harmonised” appears in the title of the 
standard?
 
No, it does not mean that it can be used for presumption of conformity to the 
RED.
 
Basically…..
 
When you work at ETSI, the basic document template you start with… has that 
wording in the title.
You work on the standard (as a Draft) and then it is finally voted and 
published.   
When published, it is a “Harmonised Standard” because people agree it is a good 
standard.
 
The next step is for the EU Commission to decide if it is suitable to 
demonstrate presumption of conformity to the EU Directive (in this case, the 
RED).   If they think so, then it is added to the OJ.
 
When (if) the standard appears on the OJ, then it does provide presumption of 
conformity (if you fully, correctly, test to it; and pass)
 
Just because it has the word “Harmonised” on the front page, does not mean it 
is in the OJ.
 
 
Actually this is an interesting little thing here.   Often, many of us (myself 
included) will say things like  “Is that standard harmonised yet?” or “I used 
the Harmonised standard”.   But, strictly speaking, that is not great 
terminology.
What we really mean is:  “Is the standard harmonised and listed on the Official 
Journal yet?”
Technically speaking, a standard can be “Harmonised” when it has been voted and 
finally published.
It is a harmonised standard which is actually listed on the Official Journal, 
which provides the presumption of conformity.
 
 
Thanks,
 
Michael.
 
 
 
From: Grace Lin [mailto:graceli...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 02 November 2016 14:39
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG  
Subject: [PSES] ETSI EN 302 195 V2.1.1
 
Dear Members,
 
The title on the cover page of the ETSI EN 302 195 V2.1.1 states:
 
"
Short Range Devices (SRD);
Ultra Low Power Active Medical Implants (ULP-AMI) and accessories (ULP-AMI-P) 
operating in the frequency range 9 kHz to 315 kHz
Harmonised Standard covering the essential requirements of article 3.2 of the 
Directive 2014/53/EU
"
 
This standard has not been published on OJ (as October 14, 2016).  Can a 
Declaration of Conformity list this standard to demonstrate compliance with the 
essential requirements?
 
Thank you very much and I look forward to hearing from you.
 
Best regards,
Grace Lin
 
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Re: [PSES] ETSI EN 302 195 V2.1.1

2016-11-02 Thread dward 
Michael make an excellent point.  A standard is not harmonized because it is in 
the OJ.  It gets in the OJ because it is harmonized; and presumption of 
compliance to a directive is only able to be done when an already harmonized 
standard is listed in the OJ.

 

​

Dennis Ward

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From: Michael Derby [mailto:micha...@acbcert.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 8:28 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] ETSI EN 302 195 V2.1.1

 

Hi Grace,

 

Are you asking because the word “Harmonised” appears in the title of the 
standard?

 

No, it does not mean that it can be used for presumption of conformity to the 
RED.

 

Basically…..

 

When you work at ETSI, the basic document template you start with… has that 
wording in the title.

You work on the standard (as a Draft) and then it is finally voted and 
published.   

When published, it is a “Harmonised Standard” because people agree it is a good 
standard.

 

The next step is for the EU Commission to decide if it is suitable to 
demonstrate presumption of conformity to the EU Directive (in this case, the 
RED).   If they think so, then it is added to the OJ.

 

When (if) the standard appears on the OJ, then it does provide presumption of 
conformity (if you fully, correctly, test to it; and pass)

 

Just because it has the word “Harmonised” on the front page, does not mean it 
is in the OJ.

 

 

Actually this is an interesting little thing here.   Often, many of us (myself 
included) will say things like  “Is that standard harmonised yet?” or “I used 
the Harmonised standard”.   But, strictly speaking, that is not great 
terminology.

What we really mean is:  “Is the standard harmonised and listed on the Official 
Journal yet?”

Technically speaking, a standard can be “Harmonised” when it has been voted and 
finally published.

It is a harmonised standard which is actually listed on the Official Journal, 
which provides the presumption of conformity.

 

 

Thanks,

 

Michael.

 

 

 

From: Grace Lin [mailto:graceli...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 02 November 2016 14:39
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG  
Subject: [PSES] ETSI EN 302 195 V2.1.1

 

Dear Members,

 

The title on the cover page of the ETSI EN 302 195 V2.1.1 states:

 

"

Short Range Devices (SRD);

Ultra Low Power Active Medical Implants (ULP-AMI) and accessories (ULP-AMI-P) 
operating in the frequency range 9 kHz to 315 kHz

Harmonised Standard covering the essential requirements of article 3.2 of the 
Directive 2014/53/EU

"

 

This standard has not been published on OJ (as October 14, 2016).  Can a 
Declaration of Conformity list this standard to demonstrate compliance with the 
essential requirements?

 

Thank you very much and I look forward to hearing from you.

 

Best regards,

Grace Lin

 

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Re: [PSES] ETSI EN 302 195 V2.1.1

2016-11-02 Thread Charlie Blackham 
Grace

A Notified Body opinion is required until the standard is listed in the OJ.

According to the ETSI work program, 
https://portal.etsi.org/webapp/workProgram/Report_Schedule.asp?WKI_ID=46535, 
ETSI were expecting it to be published in the OJ on 23rd September, but it 
hasn’t been yet.

The RED doesn’t need to be used until next June, so I would wait as it may well 
be published in the next listing which is likely to be within next 2 months.

Regards
Charlie

From: Grace Lin [mailto:graceli...@gmail.com]
Sent: 02 November 2016 14:39
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] ETSI EN 302 195 V2.1.1

Dear Members,

The title on the cover page of the ETSI EN 302 195 V2.1.1 states:

"
Short Range Devices (SRD);
Ultra Low Power Active Medical Implants (ULP-AMI) and accessories (ULP-AMI-P) 
operating in the frequency range 9 kHz to 315 kHz
Harmonised Standard covering the essential requirements of article 3.2 of the 
Directive 2014/53/EU
"

This standard has not been published on OJ (as October 14, 2016).  Can a 
Declaration of Conformity list this standard to demonstrate compliance with the 
essential requirements?

Thank you very much and I look forward to hearing from you.

Best regards,
Grace Lin

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Re: [PSES] ETSI EN 302 195 V2.1.1

2016-11-02 Thread Michael Derby 
Hi Grace,

 

Are you asking because the word “Harmonised” appears in the title of the 
standard?

 

No, it does not mean that it can be used for presumption of conformity to the 
RED.

 

Basically…..

 

When you work at ETSI, the basic document template you start with… has that 
wording in the title.

You work on the standard (as a Draft) and then it is finally voted and 
published.   

When published, it is a “Harmonised Standard” because people agree it is a good 
standard.

 

The next step is for the EU Commission to decide if it is suitable to 
demonstrate presumption of conformity to the EU Directive (in this case, the 
RED).   If they think so, then it is added to the OJ.

 

When (if) the standard appears on the OJ, then it does provide presumption of 
conformity (if you fully, correctly, test to it; and pass)

 

Just because it has the word “Harmonised” on the front page, does not mean it 
is in the OJ.

 

 

Actually this is an interesting little thing here.   Often, many of us (myself 
included) will say things like  “Is that standard harmonised yet?” or “I used 
the Harmonised standard”.   But, strictly speaking, that is not great 
terminology.

What we really mean is:  “Is the standard harmonised and listed on the Official 
Journal yet?”

Technically speaking, a standard can be “Harmonised” when it has been voted and 
finally published.

It is a harmonised standard which is actually listed on the Official Journal, 
which provides the presumption of conformity.

 

 

Thanks,

 

Michael.

 

 

 

From: Grace Lin [mailto:graceli...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 02 November 2016 14:39
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] ETSI EN 302 195 V2.1.1

 

Dear Members,

 

The title on the cover page of the ETSI EN 302 195 V2.1.1 states:

 

"

Short Range Devices (SRD);

Ultra Low Power Active Medical Implants (ULP-AMI) and accessories (ULP-AMI-P) 
operating in the frequency range 9 kHz to 315 kHz

Harmonised Standard covering the essential requirements of article 3.2 of the 
Directive 2014/53/EU

"

 

This standard has not been published on OJ (as October 14, 2016).  Can a 
Declaration of Conformity list this standard to demonstrate compliance with the 
essential requirements?

 

Thank you very much and I look forward to hearing from you.

 

Best regards,

Grace Lin

 

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[PSES] ETSI EN 302 195 V2.1.1

2016-11-02 Thread Grace Lin 
Dear Members,

The title on the cover page of the ETSI EN 302 195 V2.1.1 states:

"
Short Range Devices (SRD);
Ultra Low Power Active Medical Implants (ULP-AMI) and accessories
(ULP-AMI-P) operating in the frequency range 9 kHz to 315 kHz
Harmonised Standard covering the essential requirements of article 3.2 of
the Directive 2014/53/EU
"

This standard has not been published on OJ (as October 14, 2016).  Can a
Declaration of Conformity list this standard to demonstrate compliance with
the essential requirements?

Thank you very much and I look forward to hearing from you.

Best regards,
Grace Lin

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