[PSES] SV: [PSES] Differences between IEC 60533 2nd and 3rd Edition

[Amund Westin]

Hi Mike

 

Concerning limits/test level:

Table 4 (immunity requirements) in IEC60533 Ed.3, is exactly the same as
table 4 (immunity requirements) in edition 2.

The emission levels are still the same, but in 3rd ed., it is an alternative
method within in 156-165 MHz band to use peak detector with a maximum limit
of 30dBuV/m. Quasi-peak with limit 24dBuV/m is still valid.

 

 

Best regards

Amund

 

 

 

 

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Sendt: 26. januar 2018 00:07
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Emne: [PSES] Differences between IEC 60533 2nd and 3rd Edition

 

Hi Folks,

 

Can anyone please share if there were substantial limits/test level changes
between 2nd and 3rd editions of IEC 60533?

 

Thanks,

Mike

 

Michael Violette, P.E.

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[PSES] Looking for Jeffery Silverberg

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I am looking to contact Jeffery as I think his Facebook Messenger account 
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Re: [PSES] Measurement dilema

[Douglas Smith]

Not really. Full disclosure tomorrow when I get settled in the office. It is 
actually simpler than one might imagine, just will take me a fair amount of 
typing so need a real keyboard not an iPhone.

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On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 4:54, Bart De Geeter  wrote:
Hi Doug,



Could it be that there is just a piece of transmission line inside the box 
terminated with a certain impedance? You might be measuring in the middle of 
this transmission line.

If the input impedance selected on channel A of your oscilloscope is f.e 50 ohm 
and the other input channel has 1Mohm input impedance selected, you will 
measure a different voltage at this particular point (as the measured signal is 
the sum of the direct wave+ reflected wave on this transmission).



So far, my guess 



Greetings,

Bart



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Onderwerp: [PSES] Measurement dilema



Hi All,

Can you explain the result in this video I just made? Scope plots of the same 
two nodes are completely different. Probes and scope are operating normally, no 
problem with the equipment itself.

If you have been to my seminars you know the answer, please do not post the 
answer unless you have not seen this experiment until now.

Hint 1: There are no EM fields radiating from the shielded box affecting the 
probes.
Hint 2: There are no active components inside the box.

https://youtu.be/qj-HBFMEJiY [https://youtu.be/qj-HBFMEJiY]

Doug



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Re: [PSES] [SI-LIST] Youtube channel

[Douglas Smith]

Not sure what the problem is. Maybe a Windoz setup problem?

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On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 13:48, Lyndell Asbenson 
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Doug,
Thanks for your YouTube videos, a problem that I am having is the audio is 
very low, my hearing is perfect :) -Thanks, Lyndell Lee Asbenson


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Hi All,

If you go to:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=doug+smith+esd

You will find my Youtube page with several tech experiments in addition to 
the one we are currently discussing.


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Re: [PSES] Measurement dilema

[Douglas Smith]

I was thinking only that people who have had my course not reply because they 
should already know.
Will post the answer discussion later tomorrow. I have really enjoyed the 
replies and learned from them.
And you are right. Ground lead parasitic inductance plays a major part.

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On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 18:42, Ken Javor  wrote:
Re: [PSES] Measurement dilema As long as we’re all chiming in here that was my 
guess as well (probe ground lead parasitics) but I thought the ground rule :-) 
was no group replies...

Ken Javor
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From: Dale Reid 
Reply-To: Dale Reid 
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 20:38:56 -0500
To: 
Subject: Re: [PSES] Measurement dilema

How about the different size loops the ground leads on your probes are making.

Dale Reid
Product Safety Engineer
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On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 7:54 AM, Bart De Geeter  
wrote:
Hi Doug,

Could it be that there is just a piece of transmission line inside the box 
terminated with a certain impedance? You might be measuring in the middle of 
this transmission line.
If the input impedance selected on channel A of your oscilloscope is f.e 50 ohm 
and the other input channel has 1Mohm input impedance selected, you will 
measure a different voltage at this particular point (as the measured signal is 
the sum of the direct wave+ reflected wave on this transmission).

So far, my guess 

Greetings,
Bart


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Verzonden: vrijdag 26 januari 2018 23:50
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Onderwerp: [PSES] Measurement dilema


Hi All,

Can you explain the result in this video I just made? Scope plots of the same 
two nodes are completely different. Probes and scope are operating normally, no 
problem with the equipment itself.

If you have been to my seminars you know the answer, please do not post the 
answer unless you have not seen this experiment until now.

Hint 1: There are no EM fields radiating from the shielded box affecting the 
probes.
Hint 2: There are no active components inside the box.

https://youtu.be/qj-HBFMEJiY

Doug


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Re: [PSES] Measurement dilema

[Ken Javor]

As long as we’re all chiming in here that was my guess as well (probe ground
lead parasitics) but I thought the ground rule :-) was no group replies...

Ken Javor
Phone: (256) 650-5261




From: Dale Reid 
Reply-To: Dale Reid 
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 20:38:56 -0500
To: 
Subject: Re: [PSES] Measurement dilema

How about the different size loops the ground leads on your probes are
making.     

Dale Reid
Product Safety Engineer
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re...@lexmark.com
 
www.lexmark.com 

On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 7:54 AM, Bart De Geeter 
wrote:
> Hi Doug,
>  
>    Could it be that there is just a piece of transmission line
> inside the box terminated with a certain impedance?  You might be measuring in
> the middle of this transmission line.
> If the input impedance selected on channel A of your oscilloscope is f.e  50
> ohm  and the other input channel has 1Mohm input impedance selected, you will
> measure a different voltage at this particular point (as the measured signal
> is the sum of the direct wave+ reflected wave on this transmission).
>  
> So far, my guess 
>  
> Greetings,
> Bart
>  
> 
> Van: Doug Smith [mailto:d...@emcesd.com]
> Verzonden: vrijdag 26 januari 2018 23:50
> Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> Onderwerp: [PSES] Measurement dilema
>  
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Can you explain the result in this video I just made? Scope plots of the same
> two nodes are completely different. Probes and scope are operating normally,
> no problem with the equipment itself.
> 
> If you have been to my seminars you know the answer, please do not post the
> answer unless you have not seen this experiment until now.
> 
> Hint 1: There are no EM fields radiating from the shielded box affecting the
> probes.
> Hint 2: There are no active components inside the box.
> 
> https://youtu.be/qj-HBFMEJiY
> 
> Doug 
> 
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Re: [PSES] Measurement dilema

[Dale Reid]

How about the different size loops the ground leads on your probes are
making.

*Dale Reid*
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On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 7:54 AM, Bart De Geeter 
wrote:

> Hi Doug,
>
>
>
>Could it be that there is just a piece of transmission line
> inside the box terminated with a certain impedance?  You might be measuring
> in the middle of this transmission line.
>
> If the input impedance selected on channel A of your oscilloscope is f.e
> 50 ohm  and the other input channel has 1Mohm input impedance selected, you
> will measure a different voltage at this particular point (as the measured
> signal is the sum of the direct wave+ reflected wave on this transmission).
>
>
>
> So far, my guess 
>
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> Bart
>
>
>
> *Van:* Doug Smith [mailto:d...@emcesd.com]
> *Verzonden:* vrijdag 26 januari 2018 23:50
> *Aan:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> *Onderwerp:* [PSES] Measurement dilema
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Can you explain the result in this video I just made? Scope plots of the
> same two nodes are completely different. Probes and scope are operating
> normally, no problem with the equipment itself.
>
> If you have been to my seminars you know the answer, please do not post
> the answer unless you have not seen this experiment until now.
>
> Hint 1: There are no EM fields radiating from the shielded box affecting
> the probes.
> Hint 2: There are no active components inside the box.
>
> https://youtu.be/qj-HBFMEJiY
>
> Doug
>
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Re: [PSES] Youtube channel

[Edward Price]

Doug:

I need a more specific clue.


Ed Price
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Subject: [PSES] Youtube channel



Hi All,



If you go to:



https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=doug+smith+esd



You will find my Youtube page with several tech experiments in addition to the 
one we are currently discussing.



Doug

University of Oxford, Course Tutor

Department for Continuing Education

Oxford, Oxfordshire, United Kingdom

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Doug Smith

P.O. Box 60941

Boulder City, NV 89006-0941

TEL/FAX: 702-570-6108/570-6013

Mobile: 408-858-4528

Email: d...@dsmith.org

Web: http://www.dsmith.org

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[PSES] Youtube channel

[Doug Smith]

Hi All,

If you go to:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=doug+smith+esd

You will find my Youtube page with several tech experiments in addition to the 
one we are currently discussing.

Doug
University of Oxford, Course Tutor
Department for Continuing Education
Oxford, Oxfordshire, United Kingdom
--
Doug Smith
P.O. Box 60941
Boulder City, NV 89006-0941
TEL/FAX: 702-570-6108/570-6013
Mobile: 408-858-4528
Email: d...@dsmith.org
Web: http://www.dsmith.org
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Re: [PSES] SET EMC-PSTC NOMAIL

[Helge Knudsen]

Med venlig hilsen

Helge Knudsen

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From: Helge Knudsen <0464c9eeb744-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> 
Date:14/10/2015  08:57  (GMT+01:00) 
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG 
Subject: [PSES] SET EMC-PSTC NOMAIL 

SET EMC-PSTC NOMAIL


Med venlig hilsen / Best regards

Helge Knudsen

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3220 Tisvildeleje

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