[PSES] IEC 1010 versus IEC 61010-1

2019-12-13 Thread Regan Arndt 
Hello fellow members,

I am doing some research and was wondering if anyone has in their archives
a compiled list of the additional/more stricter requirements using the
latest 61010-1 version (2010:3rd edition) compared to the latest IEC 1010
version (I think the year was 1999 or 2000).

I don't need anything too much in detail, but only highlights.

Thanks for helping where you can.

Regan Arndt

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Re: [PSES] UL508A vs UL61010-1 for control and monitoring equipment

2019-12-13 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave 
UL 508A is intended to cover the control panel itself while 61010-1 applies to 
the "equipment" it is used in.That being said I have had NRTLs apply 508A 
to machinery "equipment" using such control panels (not separately listed) 
because they have to use "some" UL standard for an NRTL listing, and use NFPA 
79 for the equipment standard.  NFPA 79 is harmonized with EN 60204-1.
-Dave

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Subject: Re: [PSES] UL508A vs UL61010-1 for control and monitoring equipment


Hello, Daniel. The word is actually 'criterion', 'criteria' is plural.

UL508A seems to be restricted to something that switches other things on or 
off, or alters their operating modes.  UL61010-1 is for something that sends 
analog or digital control values, such as heater temperature or rate of 
rotation, to other things. If your panel does that, 61010-1 applies.

Best wishes and seasonal felicitations

John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only

J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk

Rayleigh, Essex UK
On 2019-12-13 08:50, Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP) wrote:
Good morningall
I have a industrial control equipment with sensors and flowmeters made in an 
electrical panel of standard components.
Is there a criteria to use UL508A or UL61010-1?

It seems that UL508A is applicable for:
This equipment consists of assemblies of two or more power circuit components, 
such as motor
controllers, overload relays, fused disconnect switches, and circuit breakers, 
or control circuit
components, such as pushbuttons, pilot lights, selector switches, timers, and 
control relays, or a
combination of power and control circuit components, with associated wiring, 
and terminals . These
components are mounted on, or contained within, an enclosure, or are mounted on 
a sub-panel.

And UL61010-1 is for
Electrical industrial process-control equipment
This is equipment which controls one or more output quantities to specific 
values, with
each value determined by manual setting, by local or remote programming, or by 
one or
more input variables.

But it is not clear if a industrial panel made of UL approved components needs 
to be certified for UL508A or can be UL61010-1? Or there is any restriction

Thank you for your answer

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Daniel Rodríguez

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Re: [PSES] UL508A vs UL61010-1 for control and monitoring equipment

2019-12-13 Thread John Woodgate 

Hello, Daniel. The word is actually 'criterion', 'criteria' is plural.

UL508A seems to be restricted to something that switches other things on 
or off, or alters their operating modes.  UL61010-1 is for something 
that sends analog or digital control values, such as heater temperature 
or rate of rotation, to other things. If your panel does that, 61010-1 
applies.


Best wishes and seasonal felicitations
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2019-12-13 08:50, Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP) wrote:


Good morning    all

I have a industrial control equipment with sensors and flowmeters made 
in an electrical panel of standard components.


Is there a criteria to use UL508A or UL61010-1?

It seems that UL508A is applicable for:

/This equipment consists of assemblies of two or more power circuit 
components, such as motor/


/controllers, overload relays, fused disconnect switches, and circuit 
breakers, or control circuit/


/components, such as pushbuttons, pilot lights, selector switches, 
timers, and control relays, or a/


/combination of power and control circuit components, with associated 
wiring, and terminals . These/


/components are mounted on, or contained within, an enclosure, or are 
mounted on a sub-panel./


And UL61010-1 is for

/Electrical industrial process-control equipment/

/This is equipment which controls one or more output quantities to 
specific values, with/


/each value determined by manual setting, by local or remote 
programming, or by one or/


/more input variables./

//

But it is not clear if a industrial panel made of UL approved 
components needs to be certified for UL508A or can be UL61010-1? Or 
there is any restriction


Thank you for your answer

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Daniel Rodríguez

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[PSES] UL508A vs UL61010-1 for control and monitoring equipment

2019-12-13 Thread Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP) 
Good morningall
I have a industrial control equipment with sensors and flowmeters made in an 
electrical panel of standard components.
Is there a criteria to use UL508A or UL61010-1?

It seems that UL508A is applicable for:
This equipment consists of assemblies of two or more power circuit components, 
such as motor
controllers, overload relays, fused disconnect switches, and circuit breakers, 
or control circuit
components, such as pushbuttons, pilot lights, selector switches, timers, and 
control relays, or a
combination of power and control circuit components, with associated wiring, 
and terminals . These
components are mounted on, or contained within, an enclosure, or are mounted on 
a sub-panel.

And UL61010-1 is for
Electrical industrial process-control equipment
This is equipment which controls one or more output quantities to specific 
values, with
each value determined by manual setting, by local or remote programming, or by 
one or
more input variables.

But it is not clear if a industrial panel made of UL approved components needs 
to be certified for UL508A or can be UL61010-1? Or there is any restriction

Thank you for your answer

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Daniel Rodríguez

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