Re: [PSES] EN 62368-1 : 2020 Ed 3

2022-02-10 Thread scott . xe 
Hi Charlie,

 

Did you mean the current system is no longer to work anymore or is any better 
system on the way?  How do the market surveillances conduct their sampling 
checks on the market?  Just discover 6 Jan 2023 of is the DOW of last version 
on the new standard.  Is it the correct way to follow if Ed 3 will not be 
listed in OJ?

 

Rgds,

 

Scott

 

 

From: Charlie Blackham  
Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 10:04 pm
To: scott...@gmail.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] EN 62368-1 : 2020 Ed 3

 

Scott

 

It’s never going to be listed in the OJ

 

The EU Commission have rejected for multiple clauses not giving legal 
presumption of conformity

 

(As an aside, the current version would be rejected if reviewed against the 
current criteria as well)

 

Best regards

Charlie

 

Charlie Blackham

Sulis Consultants Ltd

Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317

Web: https://sulisconsultants.com/ 

Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247

 

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Subject: [PSES] EN 62368-1 : 2020 Ed 3

 

I learned this standard will become in force on 6 Jan 2023.  However I could 
not find it in OJ as a harmonised standard replacing the Ed 2.  It is difficult 
in encouraging the suppliers to use this new standard without official 
confirmation.  Is anyone aware of when it will be available in OJ?

 

Thanks and regards,

 

Scott

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Re: [PSES] EN 62368-1 : 2020 Ed 3

2022-02-10 Thread Charlie Blackham 
Scott

It’s never going to be listed in the OJ

The EU Commission have rejected for multiple clauses not giving legal 
presumption of conformity

(As an aside, the current version would be rejected if reviewed against the 
current criteria as well)

Best regards
Charlie

Charlie Blackham
Sulis Consultants Ltd
Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317
Web: https://sulisconsultants.com/
Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247

From: scott...@gmail.com 
Sent: 10 February 2022 13:13
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] EN 62368-1 : 2020 Ed 3

I learned this standard will become in force on 6 Jan 2023.  However I could 
not find it in OJ as a harmonised standard replacing the Ed 2.  It is difficult 
in encouraging the suppliers to use this new standard without official 
confirmation.  Is anyone aware of when it will be available in OJ?

Thanks and regards,

Scott
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Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] [PSES] Magnets as reliable fasteners

2022-02-10 Thread Stultz, Mark 
Ted brings up a great point and it a good reminder that, in addition to the 
standards, you need a cross-functional risk analysis.  This is why I always 
bring in a Service Tech from the field to take part in the risk analysis.  They 
have shown me several "tool holders" over the years.

Mark Stultz | CMSE(r) | Sealed Air | Automated Packaging Systems | Streetsboro, 
OH | 330-342-2402

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Hi Gary,

I have a consideration a bit different from what Doug and Mark have discussed. 
My concern is that magnets inside of an electrical panel could attract foreign 
objects. Loose screws, bolts or other hardware could be attracted to the 
magnets resulting in reduced clearances, or in the worst case, a short circuit. 
They could create a challenge for maintenance on the panels as extra care would 
be needed. I can even foresee service personnel shutting off the panel for 
maintenance and using the magnets as an impromptu tool holder. If they forget 
that a tool is held in place, there could be an electrical incident when the 
panel is reenergized.

Ted Eckert
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employer.

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Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 6:52 PM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] [PSES] Magnets as reliable fasteners

Hello experts,
Can magnets be used to fasten line voltage assemblies to the inside of an 
electrical panel?
To restate my concerns, if strong enough could they be considered to reliably 
maintain creepage and clearance distances, as well as not overstressing wires 
terminating at the assembly?
And how strong is strong enough?  Test T2 calls for pushing on parts in the 
most unfavorable direction with 10 newtons of force for 5 seconds - is this an 
appropriate test?

The application is in stationary equipment that does not include motors, so 
vibration should not be a concern.

I welcome advice - this is the first time I've seen such proposed construction 
and I don't know a standard such as 62368 to mention it.

Cheers,
Gary Tornquist
Product Safety Consultants
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[PSES] EN 62368-1 : 2020 Ed 3

2022-02-10 Thread scott . xe 
I learned this standard will become in force on 6 Jan 2023.  However I could 
not find it in OJ as a harmonised standard replacing the Ed 2.  It is difficult 
in encouraging the suppliers to use this new standard without official 
confirmation.  Is anyone aware of when it will be available in OJ?

 

Thanks and regards,

 

Scott


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