[PSES] AW: Short Range Device RED standard?

2022-04-27 Thread Dürrer Bernd 
Hi Ryan,
For the radio module that you describe, the following standards are applicable:
ETSI EN 300 328 V2.2.2 
(https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/300300_300399/300328/02.02.02_60/en_300328v020202p.pdf)
 is the applicable standard listed in the OJEU for data transmission equipment 
operating in the 2.4 GHz band to demonstrate compliance with the essential 
requirements of RED article 3.2 
(https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32014L0053&from=EN#d1e975-62-1),
 as required in RED article 17(3) 
(https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32014L0053&from=EN#d1e1446-62-1),
 cf. Annex A of this standard.
ETSI EN 301 489-17 V3.2.4 
(https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/301400_301499/30148917/03.02.04_60/en_30148917v030204p.pdf)
 together with its part 1 ETSI EN 301 489-1 V2.2.3 
(https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/301400_301499/30148901/02.02.03_60/en_30148901v020203p.pdf)
 is the applicable standard for such equipment to demonstrate compliance with 
the essential requirements of RED article 3.1(b) for EMC 
(https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32014L0053&from=EN#d1e975-62-1),
 as required in RED article 17(2) 
(https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32014L0053&from=EN#d1e1446-62-1),
 cf. Annex A of these standards.
EN 62479 
(https://standards.cencenelec.eu/dyn/www/f?p=CENELEC:110:FSP_PROJECT,FSP_ORG_ID:57797,1258483&cs=1CEFF57465523E884A7F4B2BEF603E478)
 is applicable to demonstrate compliance with the essential requirements of RED 
article 3.1(a) for safety 
(https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32014L0053&from=EN#d1e975-62-1),
 as required in RED article 17(2) 
(https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32014L0053&from=EN#d1e1446-62-1).
Depending on the type of product, further safety standards will be applicable.
Kind regards,
Bernd

Von: Ryan Jazz 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. April 2022 01:19
An: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Betreff: [PSES] Short Range Device RED standard?

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Dear Members,
We have a product being developed which will use a pre-approved radio which has 
WiFi and Bluetooth.
The radio is a 2.4 GHz module with less than 10mW of transmit power
I am trying to determine to what RED standard(s) I must test the final product.
I posed this question to a local Southern California lab, and I was told they 
were not allowed to answer as the manufacturer has to make that determination.
We have had other similar SRD products tested by various labs, before my time, 
and some of them were tested to EN 300-440 and others to EN 301-489.
I have looked at this new radio’s FCC Grant and it doesn’t say what the 
end-user must do-and same with the radio manufacturer, who cannot answer.
I even looked into the ERC Recommendation 70-03 and also the ETSI search tool 
and could not find a definitive answer.
The radio is a 2.4 GHz module with less than 10mW of transmit power.
Any advise you can give me on will be much appreciated.
Ryan Jayasinghe
Regulatory Compliance Engineer
rjayasin...@line6.com

"After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music" - Aldous 
Huxley

LINE6
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Calabasas CA 91302
818.575.3711
line6.com
ampeg.com

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[PSES] Short Range Device RED standard?

2022-04-27 Thread Ryan Jazz 
Dear Members,
We have a product being developed which will use a pre-approved radio which has 
WiFi and Bluetooth.
The radio is a 2.4 GHz module with less than 10mW of transmit power
I am trying to determine to what RED standard(s) I must test the final product.
I posed this question to a local Southern California lab, and I was told they 
were not allowed to answer as the manufacturer has to make that determination.
We have had other similar SRD products tested by various labs, before my time, 
and some of them were tested to EN 300-440 and others to EN 301-489.
I have looked at this new radio's FCC Grant and it doesn't say what the 
end-user must do-and same with the radio manufacturer, who cannot answer.
I even looked into the ERC Recommendation 70-03 and also the ETSI search tool 
and could not find a definitive answer.
The radio is a 2.4 GHz module with less than 10mW of transmit power.
Any advise you can give me on will be much appreciated.
Ryan Jayasinghe
Regulatory Compliance Engineer
rjayasin...@line6.com

"After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music" - Aldous 
Huxley

LINE6
26580 Agoura Road
Calabasas CA 91302
818.575.3711
line6.com
ampeg.com


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Re: [PSES] UK plug adaptors with fuse?

2022-04-27 Thread Richard Nute 
 

 

Travel adapters are rarely certified.  The problem is that the plug must comply 
with a country national standard, while the receptacle must comply with a 
different country national standard.  A certification house (or manufacturer) 
rarely is qualified for certifying a plug or receptacle to a country national 
standard different than its local country.

 

The UK power distribution system is a “ring” system.  As such, the plug must 
contain fuses to protect the local load.  An adapter should be fused.  Whether 
the fuse is IEC 5x20 mm, BS1363, or BS643 is inconsequential as the adapter is 
not likely to be certified.  The fuse is for safety, not certification, so any 
fuse (with the correct rating) should be acceptable to you.

 

Many of us don’t have this adapter problem as we use detachable cords.  The 
cord we provide has the correct country plug on the cord.  

 

Best regards,

Rich

 

 

From: MIKE SHERMAN  
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 12:21 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] UK plug adaptors with fuse?

 

I've used Power Connections products for years: 

https://www.powerconnections.co.uk/ 

They may have something for you, or might be able to point you in the right 
direction. 

 

There seem to be endless unapproved "travel adaptors" available, but relatively 
few seem to have any certifications. What is an acceptable occasional risk for 
a tourist may not be an acceptable risk for a manufacturer to ship with their 
product. 

 

As I recall, the Swiss also have a specific certification standard they require 
for plug adaptors. The Swiss regulators have been very helpful to me in the 
past in understanding these requirements. 

 

Mike Sherman 

Sherman PSC LLC 

On 04/27/2022 6:46 AM Kim Boll Jensen 
<199f0011b1e3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org 
 > wrote: 

 

 

Hi 

 

We have been checking several travel adopters for importers here in EU, but we 
have to fail nearly all of them. 

 

One big issue is the UK plug. As I understand they shall comply with BS 1363-3. 
And in this standard §12.4 e) there is a requirement for BS 1363 or BS 643 
fuses. 

 

Some adapters have an 5x20 IEC fuse some have thermo fuses and many have no 
fuse at all. 

 

Do I overlook some exceptions or new requirements, that allows adaptors without 
BS fuse, or are they all just "normal" Asian low quality? 

 

Med venlig hilsen / Best regards, 

Kim Boll Jensen 
Bolls Aps 
22 99 69 91 


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Re: [PSES] UK plug adaptors with fuse?

2022-04-27 Thread MIKE SHERMAN 
I've used Power Connections products for years:
https://www.powerconnections.co.uk/
They may have something for you, or might be able to point you in the right 
direction.

There seem to be endless unapproved "travel adaptors" available, but relatively 
few seem to have any certifications. What is an acceptable occasional risk for 
a tourist may not be an acceptable risk for a manufacturer to ship with their 
product.

As I recall, the Swiss also have a specific certification standard they require 
for plug adaptors. The Swiss regulators have been very helpful to me in the 
past in understanding these requirements.

Mike Sherman
Sherman PSC LLC

> On 04/27/2022 6:46 AM Kim Boll Jensen 
> <199f0011b1e3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi
> 
> We have been checking several travel adopters for importers here in EU, 
> but we have to fail nearly all of them.
> 
> One big issue is the UK plug. As I understand they shall comply with BS 
> 1363-3. And in this standard §12.4 e) there is a requirement for BS 1363 or 
> BS 643 fuses.
> 
> Some adapters have an 5x20 IEC fuse some have thermo fuses and many have 
> no fuse at all.
> 
> Do I overlook some exceptions or new requirements, that allows adaptors 
> without BS fuse, or are they all just "normal" Asian low quality?
> 
> Med venlig hilsen / Best regards,
> 
> Kim Boll Jensen
> Bolls Aps
> 22 99 69 91
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[PSES] UK plug adaptors with fuse?

2022-04-27 Thread Kim Boll Jensen 
Hi 

We have been checking several travel adopters for importers here in EU, but we 
have to fail nearly all of them. 

One big issue is the UK plug. As I understand they shall comply with BS 1363-3. 
And in this standard §12.4 e) there is a requirement for BS 1363 or BS 643 
fuses. 

Some adapters have an 5x20 IEC fuse some have thermo fuses and many have no 
fuse at all. 

Do I overlook some exceptions or new requirements, that allows adaptors without 
BS fuse, or are they all just "normal" Asian low quality? 

Med venlig hilsen / Best regards, 

Kim Boll Jensen 
Bolls Aps 
22 99 69 91 

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