[PSES] When is the OJEU going to be updated?

[Kevin McCandless]

Hello Experts,

In an earlier thread, I saw a question about the standards referenced in the OJ 
being outdated.
And I think the pain point was Turkey.
I have that same pain point!

A lot of my products fall under the HBES/BACS family.
The current product standard is EN 63044-1 with the EMC subparts 5-1,2,3. The 
current versions are dated 2017-01.
The summary list of harmonized standards for the EMCD (2014/30/EU) is dated 
13-04-2022 and it only lists the EN 50491 series of standards.
The DOW of the EN 50491 series was 03-03-2020. So the OJ is over two years out 
of date.
Being bound by the OJ for my DoC's, I have been listing compliance to the EN 
50491 standards.
But, they are rejected by Turkey every time because they point out the long 
past DOW. And they demand a DoC stating compliance to the current EN 63044 
series.

So does anyone on this form know when the OJ will be updated, in particular, 
for my product standard series?

Best regards,
Kevin
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Digital Energy Division - Digital Buildings LoB   |   Senior Regulatory Engineer




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Re: [PSES] AW: Short Range Device RED standard?

[Dan Roman]

Hi Dürrer,

 

I agree with your list, and it is what I have been using.  I have a related 
question and that is why aren’t the 301 489 standards published in the list of 
harmonised standards in the Official Journal for Directive 2014/53/EU?  300 328 
is in the list.  300 440 is there, but incomplete for the purposes of 
demonstrating conformity for this category of equipment.  And since 301 489-17 
is not in the OJ, would the previous version 2.1.1 still be acceptable as well 
as the version you cite, 3.2.4?

 

The list of standards you provide seems to be the prevailing ones that 
manufactures and test labs are using.  Odd that 489-1 and 489-17 are not in the 
OJ.  This has bothered me for a while.  I never know when Turkish customs will 
look at my DoC and reject the product for this reason, they are difficult!

 

Am I missing something?

 

Dan

 

 

From: Dürrer Bernd [mailto:bernd.duer...@wilo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 2:50 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] AW: Short Range Device RED standard?

 

Hi Ryan,

For the radio module that you describe, the following standards are applicable:

ETSI EN 300 328 V2.2.2 
(https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/300300_300399/300328/02.02.02_60/en_300328v020202p.pdf)
 is the applicable standard listed in the OJEU for data transmission equipment 
operating in the 2.4 GHz band to demonstrate compliance with the essential 
requirements of RED article 3.2 
(https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32014L0053 

 &from=EN#d1e975-62-1), as required in RED article 17(3) 
(https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32014L0053 

 &from=EN#d1e1446-62-1), cf. Annex A of this standard.

ETSI EN 301 489-17 V3.2.4 ( 

 
https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/301400_301499/30148917/03.02.04_60/en_30148917v030204p.pdf)
 together with its part 1 ETSI EN 301 489-1 V2.2.3 
(https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/301400_301499/30148901/02.02.03_60/en_30148901v020203p.pdf)
 is the applicable standard for such equipment to demonstrate compliance with 
the essential requirements of RED article 3.1(b) for EMC 
(https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32014L0053 

 &from=EN#d1e975-62-1), as required in RED article 17(2) 
(https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32014L0053 

 &from=EN#d1e1446-62-1), cf. Annex A of these standards.

EN 62479 ( 

 
https://standards.cencenelec.eu/dyn/www/f?p=CENELEC:110:FSP_PROJECT,FSP_ORG_ID:57797,1258483&cs=1CEFF57465523E884A7F4B2BEF603E478)
 is applicable to demonstrate compliance with the essential requirements of RED 
article 3.1(a) for safety 
(https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32014L0053 

 &from=EN#d1e975-62-1), as required in RED article 17(2) 
(https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32014L0053 

 &from=EN#d1e1446-62-1).

Depending on the type of product, further safety standards will be applicable.

Kind regards,

Bernd

 

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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. April 2022 01:19
An: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG  
Betreff: [PSES] Short Range Device RED standard?

 


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Dear Members,

We have a product being developed which will use a pre-approved radio which has 
WiFi and Bluetooth.

The radio is a 2.4 GHz module with less than 10mW of transmit power

I am trying to determine to what RED standard(s) I must test the final product.

I posed this question to a local Southern California lab, and I was told they 
were not allowed to answer as the manufacturer has to make that determination. 

We have had other similar SRD products tested by various labs, before my time, 
and some of them were tested to EN 300-440 and others to EN 301-489.

I have looked at this new radio’s FCC Grant and it doesn’t say what the 
end-user must do-and same with the radio manufacturer, who cannot answer.

I even looked in

Re: [PSES] AW: Short Range Device RED standard?

[Mark Ortlieb]

Ryan,

Further to Bernd's last comment, the applicable standards you select for 
RE Directive compliance is heavily dependent on the product 
category/type. FCC obviously won't provide you much guidance as they 
cover USA only, and it's also important to remember that FCC is more 
heavily focused on radio modules embedded in equipment whereas EU (and 
most of the world) looks at radios from an end product (system) 
perspective. Therefore the approach you will want to take is to look at 
what kinds of standards and EU Directives are typically applied to your 
specific type of product.


Hope this helps.

Mark

On 4/28/22 2:49 AM, Dürrer Bernd wrote:


Hi Ryan,

For the radio module that you describe, the following standards are 
applicable:


ETSI EN 300 328 V2.2.2 
(https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/300300_300399/300328/02.02.02_60/en_300328v020202p.pdf) 
is the applicable standard listed in the OJEU for data transmission 
equipment operating in the 2.4 GHz band to demonstrate compliance with 
the essential requirements of RED article 3.2 
(https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32014L0053&from=EN#d1e975-62-1 
), 
as required in RED article 17(3) 
(https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32014L0053&from=EN#d1e1446-62-1 
), 
cf. Annex A of this standard.


ETSI EN 301 489-17 V3.2.4 
(https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/301400_301499/30148917/03.02.04_60/en_30148917v030204p.pdf 
) 
together with its part 1 ETSI EN 301 489-1 V2.2.3 
(https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/301400_301499/30148901/02.02.03_60/en_30148901v020203p.pdf) 
is the applicable standard for such equipment to demonstrate 
compliance with the essential requirements of RED article 3.1(b) for 
EMC 
(https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32014L0053&from=EN#d1e975-62-1 
), 
as required in RED article 17(2) 
(https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32014L0053&from=EN#d1e1446-62-1 
), 
cf. Annex A of these standards.


EN 62479 
(https://standards.cencenelec.eu/dyn/www/f?p=CENELEC:110:FSP_PROJECT,FSP_ORG_ID:57797,1258483&cs=1CEFF57465523E884A7F4B2BEF603E478 
) 
is applicable to demonstrate compliance with the essential 
requirements of RED article 3.1(a) for safety 
(https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32014L0053&from=EN#d1e975-62-1 
), 
as required in RED article 17(2) 
(https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32014L0053&from=EN#d1e1446-62-1 
).


Depending on the type of product, further safety standards will be 
applicable.


Kind regards,

Bernd

*Von:* Ryan Jazz 
*Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 28. April 2022 01:19
*An:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
*Betreff:* [PSES] Short Range Device RED standard?




Sie erhalten nicht oft eine E-Mail von 
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ist 




Dear Members,

We have a product being developed which will use a pre-approved radio 
which has WiFi and Bluetooth.


The radio is a 2.4 GHz module with less than 10mW of transmit power

I am trying to determine to what RED standard(s) I must test the final 
product.


I posed this question to a local Southern California lab, and I was 
told they were not allowed to answer as the manufacturer has to make 
that determination.


We have had other similar SRD products tested by various labs, before 
my time, and some of them were tested to EN 300-440 and others to EN 
301-489.


I have looked at this new radio’s FCC Grant and it doesn’t say what 
the end-user must do-and same with the radio manufacturer, who cannot 
answer.


I even looked into the ERC Recommendation 70-03 and also the ETSI 
search tool and could not find a definitive answer.


The radio is a 2.4 GHz module with less than 10mW of transmit power.

Any advise you can give me on will be much appreciated.

Ryan Jayasinghe

Regulatory Compliance Engineer

rjayasin...@line6.com

"After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music" 
- Aldous Huxley


LINE6

26580 Agoura Road

Calabasas CA 91302

818.575.3711

line6.com

ampeg.com

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Re: [PSES] Short Range Device RED standard?

[Larry K. Stillings]

Ryan,

You should also be looking at ETSI EN 303 446-1 or -2 for guidance on 
integrating the radio module into your end product. The FCC has similar KDBs on 
the subject for USA deployment.

And also be aware of new cyber security rules being developed, ETSI EN 303 645

Larry K. Stillings
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From: Ryan Jazz
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 7:19 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Short Range Device RED standard?

Dear Members,
We have a product being developed which will use a pre-approved radio which has 
WiFi and Bluetooth.
The radio is a 2.4 GHz module with less than 10mW of transmit power
I am trying to determine to what RED standard(s) I must test the final product.
I posed this question to a local Southern California lab, and I was told they 
were not allowed to answer as the manufacturer has to make that determination.
We have had other similar SRD products tested by various labs, before my time, 
and some of them were tested to EN 300-440 and others to EN 301-489.
I have looked at this new radio's FCC Grant and it doesn't say what the 
end-user must do-and same with the radio manufacturer, who cannot answer.
I even looked into the ERC Recommendation 70-03 and also the ETSI search tool 
and could not find a definitive answer.
The radio is a 2.4 GHz module with less than 10mW of transmit power.
Any advise you can give me on will be much appreciated.
Ryan Jayasinghe
Regulatory Compliance Engineer
rjayasin...@line6.com

"After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music" - Aldous 
Huxley

LINE6
26580 Agoura Road
Calabasas CA 91302
818.575.3711
line6.com
ampeg.com

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Re: [PSES] UK plug adaptors with fuse?

[John E Allen]

John W

 

Thanks, and, now that you have reminded me, I do seem to remember BS1363-5 
(but, TBH, I haven’t been taking a great interest in the evolution of standards 
over the last few years, having retired in 2015! 😊).

 

So as John Woodgate has now pointed out to me, the correct standard for such 
adapters is BS 1363-5:2016 “13 A plugs, socket-outlets, adaptors and connection 
units. Specification for fused conversion plugs” – and, again, a good summary 
of the scope & contents can be found on the ANSI webstore here 
https://webstore.ansi.org/preview-pages/BSI/preview_30391432.pdf

 

Apologies for the error of omission!

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

 

From: John Woodgate  
Sent: 28 April 2022 11:31
To: john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk
Subject: Re: [PSES] UK plug adaptors with fuse?

 

That standard is indeed withdrawn and should not be used. BS 1363-5 is valid.

==
Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
www.woodjohn.uk  
Rayleigh, Essex UK
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On 2022-04-28 11:14, John E Allen wrote:

Morning

 

AFAIK, the most appropriate British Standard would appear to be:

BS8546: 2016 “Travel adaptors compatible with UK plug and socket system. 
Specification” 
https://shop.bsigroup.com/products/travel-adaptors-compatible-with-uk-plug-and-socket-system-specification-1/standard

There is a confusing reference to “Withdrawn” on that webpage, but I don’t 
think that it has been!

It also incorporates by Normative reference a very large number of other BSS as 
here: 
https://shop.bsigroup.com/products/travel-adaptors-compatible-with-uk-plug-and-socket-system-specification-1/standard/details

The most detailed description of the scope of that standard that I could find 
quickly seems to be here on the ANSI webstore: 
https://webstore.ansi.org/preview-pages/BSI/preview_30377194.pdf

 

On a more general level, BS 5733: 2010 “General requirements for electrical 
accessories - specification (+A1:2014)” 
https://shop.bsigroup.com/products/general-requirements-for-electrical-accessories-specification/standard
  is used to assess many types of “electrical accessories” such as cable 
extension sockets and “plug-in accessories”, and, again, implements by 
Normative reference other BSS to cover specific aspects of design & 
construction.

 

Again, the ANSI webstore site gives helpful detail, 
https://webstore.ansi.org/preview-pages/BSI/preview_30288272.pdf

 

Obviously you can buy elsewhere, including BSI’s own website here 
https://www.bsigroup.com/en-GB/standards/!

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

 

From: Kim Boll Jensen  
 
<199f0011b1e3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> 
Sent: 27 April 2022 12:46
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG  
Subject: [PSES] UK plug adaptors with fuse?

 

Hi

 

We have been checking several travel adopters for importers here in EU, but we 
have to fail nearly all of them.

 

One big issue is the UK plug. As I understand they shall comply with BS 1363-3. 
And in this standard §12.4 e) there is a requirement for BS 1363 or BS 643 
fuses.

 

Some adapters have an 5x20 IEC fuse some have thermo fuses and many have no 
fuse at all.

 

Do I overlook some exceptions or new requirements, that allows adaptors without 
BS fuse, or are they all just "normal" Asian low quality?

 

Med venlig hilsen / Best regards,

Kim Boll Jensen
Bolls Aps
22 99 69 91

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Re: [PSES] UK plug adaptors with fuse?

[John E Allen]

Morning

 

AFAIK, the most appropriate British Standard would appear to be:

BS8546: 2016 “Travel adaptors compatible with UK plug and socket system. 
Specification” 
https://shop.bsigroup.com/products/travel-adaptors-compatible-with-uk-plug-and-socket-system-specification-1/standard

There is a confusing reference to “Withdrawn” on that webpage, but I don’t 
think that it has been!

It also incorporates by Normative reference a very large number of other BSS as 
here: 
https://shop.bsigroup.com/products/travel-adaptors-compatible-with-uk-plug-and-socket-system-specification-1/standard/details

The most detailed description of the scope of that standard that I could find 
quickly seems to be here on the ANSI webstore: 
https://webstore.ansi.org/preview-pages/BSI/preview_30377194.pdf

 

On a more general level, BS 5733: 2010 “General requirements for electrical 
accessories - specification (+A1:2014)” 
https://shop.bsigroup.com/products/general-requirements-for-electrical-accessories-specification/standard
  is used to assess many types of “electrical accessories” such as cable 
extension sockets and “plug-in accessories”, and, again, implements by 
Normative reference other BSS to cover specific aspects of design & 
construction.

 

Again, the ANSI webstore site gives helpful detail, 
https://webstore.ansi.org/preview-pages/BSI/preview_30288272.pdf

 

Obviously you can buy elsewhere, including BSI’s own website here 
https://www.bsigroup.com/en-GB/standards/!

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

 

From: Kim Boll Jensen <199f0011b1e3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> 
Sent: 27 April 2022 12:46
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] UK plug adaptors with fuse?

 

Hi

 

We have been checking several travel adopters for importers here in EU, but we 
have to fail nearly all of them.

 

One big issue is the UK plug. As I understand they shall comply with BS 1363-3. 
And in this standard §12.4 e) there is a requirement for BS 1363 or BS 643 
fuses.

 

Some adapters have an 5x20 IEC fuse some have thermo fuses and many have no 
fuse at all.

 

Do I overlook some exceptions or new requirements, that allows adaptors without 
BS fuse, or are they all just "normal" Asian low quality?

 

Med venlig hilsen / Best regards,

Kim Boll Jensen
Bolls Aps
22 99 69 91

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