Re: [PSES] EMC regs in by US state!

[doug emcesd.com]

Hi Manny and the group,

The test I am thinking of has a lot more average power. In a day or two I will 
post the state and some parameters of the test. The test I was talking about in 
my email was just something I was working on. This is a required standard state 
specified test.

Doug Smith
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From: Manny Barron 
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2022 17:52
To: doug emcesd.com ; EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org 

Subject: Re: [PSES] EMC regs in by US state!

Doug,

I haven't attended any of your presentations or seminars, or looked at your 
website recently.  But I did remember one of your postings back in Aug 2021.  
Here's what you said, plus my comment (plus many others commented as well).

8/19/21  DOUG
I am currently working on a new video using my home built EMP generator. 
Nothing like a 1000 Ampere, 15 kV high voltage pulse to spice up the day! I am 
also working on a Marx generator to get extremely high voltage pulses as well. 
If you don’t hear anymore from me, I may have been vaporized.

8/19/21  MY COMMENT
Uh, let's see ... 1,000 A  x  15,000 V  =  15,000,000 W.
Not sure about the gain or directivity but that's alot of power!
Hopefully it's just a pulse or two in the microsecond range.
And hope you're in the desert.

Don't know what state you're referring to, but my guess is that this is the 
device you demonstrated.

Manny Barron



On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 3:24 PM doug 
emcesd.com
 mailto:d...@emcesd.com>> wrote:
Hi All,

Did you know there is one US state that has immunity regulations applicable to 
ESD (it is not an ESD test itself)? It is a state very concerned with extreme 
equipment reliability and your equipment has to pass this test if you want to 
sell to customers in a specific industry in that state. Which one? It is the 
most intense immunity test I have seen. I was demonstrating the test during a 
presentation to 70 engineers in Fullerton, CA last week. I was one of several 
speakers. All except me were recorded. Shortly into my demonstrations, I 
performed the test using a chair as a target for demo purposes. From 15-20 feet 
away, the demonstration took out the camera and my presentation was not 
recorded from that point! If you want to see how good a design is, this is a 
great test.

If you have attended one of my presentations/seminars, please do not post. I 
want to see how well known the state with an EMC rules making organization is. 
This is typical of the many kinds of unusual material I teach.

Doug
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Re: [PSES] EMC regs in by US state!

[Manny Barron]

Doug,

I haven't attended any of your presentations or seminars, or looked at your
website recently.  But I did remember one of your postings back in Aug
2021.  Here's what you said, plus my comment (plus many others commented as
well).

8/19/21  DOUG
I am currently working on a new video using my home built EMP generator.
Nothing like a 1000 Ampere, 15 kV high voltage pulse to spice up the day! I
am also working on a Marx generator to get extremely high voltage pulses as
well. If you don’t hear anymore from me, I may have been vaporized.

8/19/21  MY COMMENT
Uh, let's see ... 1,000 A  x  15,000 V  =  15,000,000 W.
Not sure about the gain or directivity but that's alot of power!
Hopefully it's just a pulse or two in the microsecond range.
And hope you're in the desert.

Don't know what state you're referring to, but my guess is that this is the
device you demonstrated.

Manny Barron



On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 3:24 PM doug emcesd.com  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Did you know there is one US state that has immunity regulations
> applicable to ESD (it is not an ESD test itself)? It is a state very
> concerned with extreme equipment reliability and your equipment has to pass
> this test if you want to sell to customers in a specific industry in that
> state. Which one? It is the most intense immunity test I have seen. I was
> demonstrating the test during a presentation to 70 engineers in Fullerton,
> CA last week. I was one of several speakers. All except me were recorded.
> Shortly into my demonstrations, I performed the test using a chair as a
> target for demo purposes. From 15-20 feet away, the demonstration took out
> the camera and my presentation was not recorded from that point! If you
> want to see how good a design is, this is a great test.
>
>
>
> If you have attended one of my presentations/seminars, please do not post.
> I want to see how well known the state with an EMC rules making
> organization is. This is typical of the many kinds of unusual material I
> teach.
>
>
>
> Doug
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Re: [PSES] NFPA Code Adoption

[MIKE SHERMAN]

Doug --

All I can find is this:
https://www.nfpa.org/codes-and-standards/all-codes-and-standards/list-of-codes-and-standards/detail?code=2
which suggests that no revision activity is currently going on.

Page 3 of the standard shows Heath Dehn as the NFPA staff liaison; you could 
contact Heath to see what they know about what you're looking for, and to also 
get a sense of where the committee is in the revision cycle.

Mike Sherman
Sherman PSC LLC

> On 05/10/2022 11:13 AM Douglas E Powell  wrote:
> 
> 
> All,
> 
> In the past, I've used the NFPA 70 NEC Code Adoption web page 
> https://www.nfpa.org/NEC/NEC-adoption-and-use/NEC-adoption-maps many times 
> and even keep a web monitor to track periodic updates. Now I find myself 
> wanting something similar for the NFPA 2 Hydrogen Technologies Code.  Does 
> anyone know if such a web page exists?
> 
> Thanks! -Doug
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Re: [PSES] EMC regs in by US state!

[Ken Javor]

No clue what state but if I had to guess (and that is all this) I would guess 
California.  Knee jerk reaction – seems to me that an ESD test that takes out 
an equipment 15 – 20 feet away is wildly overstressing.

 

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Ken Javor

(256) 650-5261

 

From: "doug emcesd.com" 
Reply-To: "doug emcesd.com" 
Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 6:24 PM
To: 
Subject: [PSES] EMC regs in by US state!

 

Hi All,

 

Did you know there is one US state that has immunity regulations applicable to 
ESD (it is not an ESD test itself)? It is a state very concerned with extreme 
equipment reliability and your equipment has to pass this test if you want to 
sell to customers in a specific industry in that state. Which one? It is the 
most intense immunity test I have seen. I was demonstrating the test during a 
presentation to 70 engineers in Fullerton, CA last week. I was one of several 
speakers. All except me were recorded. Shortly into my demonstrations, I 
performed the test using a chair as a target for demo purposes. From 15-20 feet 
away, the demonstration took out the camera and my presentation was not 
recorded from that point! If you want to see how good a design is, this is a 
great test.

 

If you have attended one of my presentations/seminars, please do not post. I 
want to see how well known the state with an EMC rules making organization is. 
This is typical of the many kinds of unusual material I teach.

 

Doug

 

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[PSES] EMC regs in by US state!

[doug emcesd.com]

Hi All,

Did you know there is one US state that has immunity regulations applicable to 
ESD (it is not an ESD test itself)? It is a state very concerned with extreme 
equipment reliability and your equipment has to pass this test if you want to 
sell to customers in a specific industry in that state. Which one? It is the 
most intense immunity test I have seen. I was demonstrating the test during a 
presentation to 70 engineers in Fullerton, CA last week. I was one of several 
speakers. All except me were recorded. Shortly into my demonstrations, I 
performed the test using a chair as a target for demo purposes. From 15-20 feet 
away, the demonstration took out the camera and my presentation was not 
recorded from that point! If you want to see how good a design is, this is a 
great test.

If you have attended one of my presentations/seminars, please do not post. I 
want to see how well known the state with an EMC rules making organization is. 
This is typical of the many kinds of unusual material I teach.

Doug
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[PSES] Lithium Battery -BSMI certification?

[Ryan Jazz]

Hello Members,
We have a product that uses a 3.7 VDC, 600 mAH secondary Lithium Ion battery.
The battery is manufactured in China and has an IEC 62133-2 test report and a 
UL 2054 report.
The battery also has a CQC report and certificate.

  *   Will this battery need a BSMI certification in order for the final 
product to be sold into Taiwan.
I appreciate and welcome all comments.
Kind Regards,
Ryan Jazz

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[PSES] NFPA Code Adoption

[Douglas E Powell]

All,

In the past, I've used the NFPA 70 NEC Code Adoption web page
 many
times and even keep a web monitor to track periodic updates. Now I find
myself wanting something similar for the NFPA 2 Hydrogen Technologies
Code.  Does anyone know if such a web page exists?

Thanks! -Doug

Douglas E Powell
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