[PSES] e-Labeling
Hello group, Does anyone know if EU accepts e-Labeling for IT products? Thank youPeter - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC&A=1
Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] EU and UK DoC
Thank you all. We will do one PDF with couple of pages as that seems to be a safer bet. -Original Message- From: Charlie Blackham To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Wed, Mar 1, 2023 2:21 pm Subject: Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] EU and UK DoC Dan You might not have had it rejected, but there’s no way to be 100% sure that it has been, and always will be excepted – it could just be because no one has taken a detailed look. Some market enforcement agencies have rejected DoCs for, in their view, incorrect spaces – a specific example: EN 60335-1:2012+A11:2014+A13:2017+A1:2019+A2:2019+A14:2019 was accepted by a German Regulator. But EN 60335-1:2012 + A11:2014 + A13:2017 + A1:2019 + A2:2019 + A14:2019 was not. I would normally say “you couldn’t make this up” – you can’t – it’s true !! As others have noted, the declaration phrase on the CE and UKCA DoCs are different, so I would recommend against combining them as it gives a market regulator an angle to attack your DoC, and an “administrative non-compliance” opens you up to impounding and/or audit testing at your expense. I would suggest a better alternative would be to have one PDF document, that contained several pages, each one with a DoC for a separate jurisdiction, such as 3 pages for example, one each for EU, UK and Aus. Best regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web:https://sulisconsultants.com/ Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 From: Dan Roman <0d75e04ed751-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> Sent: 01 March 2023 21:09 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] EU and UK DoC We’ve been combining both onto one document. It sometimes makes the document go to a second page because of the extra information. We include Australia and anywhere else that will take a DoC into one document as well. Haven’t had it rejected by anyone yet. Dan From: Andres Waszczenko [mailto:1fcfb5f9b1f4-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 3:31 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] EU and UK DoC Hello Peter, I have been working with Mike and I too concur with his answer. The EU and the UKCA are not the same entities. At a minimum, two different addresses are needed to identify the authorize representatives, hence the cleanest approach is two different declarations of conformity (DoC). Just a thought. Also note due to the short timeline that was provided by the Brexit separation. The UKCA authorities chose to initially use the same set of harmonized standards that the EU is using but that is more that likely to change. Also, as Mike mentions, the terminology in the body of the DoCs does vary. The references used are different between the UKCA and the EU. Regards, Andres Andres Waszczenko Sr. Product Safety & Compliance Specialist Entrust Datacard 1187 Park Place Shakopee MN, 55379 952-933-0768 andres.waszcze...@entrust.com From: MIKE SHERMAN Sent: Wednesday, 1 March, 2023 2:18 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] EU and UK DoC WARNING: This email originated outside of Entrust. DO NOT CLICK links or attachments unless you trust the sender and know the content is safe. Yes, that is what we concluded. In addition, there is some other terminology that differs between the two that your client might have to deal with. Mike Sherman PSC LLC On 03/01/2023 1:29 PM 06cee064502d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org wrote: Hello Group, I have a client that wishes to use a single DoC for both EU (CE) and UK (UKCA). He has figured out everything except one area and that is the address/location for signature. Does he have to have two addresses shown on the DoC for signature? One in EU and one in UK? Thanks Peter - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link:https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC&A=1 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searc
Re: [PSES] EU and UK DoC
Great idea
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Subject: Re: [PSES] EU and UK DoC
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EU DoC page other side… 2-sided printing to save paper. One part number to save
labor. From: MIKE SHERMAN
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Yes, that is what we concluded.
In addition, there is some other terminology that differs between the two that
your client might have to deal with.
Mike Sherman PSC LLC
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Hello Group, I have a client that wishes to use a single DoC for both
EU (CE) and UK (UKCA). He has figured out everything except one area and that
is the address/location for signature. Does he have to have two addresses shown
on the DoC for signature? One in EU and one in UK? Thanks Peter
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[PSES] EU and UK DoC
Hello Group,
I have a client that wishes to use a single DoC for both EU (CE) and UK (UKCA).
He has figured out everything except one area and that is the address/location
for signature. Does he have to have two addresses shown on the DoC for
signature? One in EU and one in UK?
ThanksPeter
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Re: [PSES] EMC/EMI Cables
Cass,
I have purchased HDMI Ultra series from Extron and they are great cables. Try
www.extron.com
Good luckPeter
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Subject: [PSES] EMC/EMI Cables
#yiv5439221565 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Hi guys,
I am having issues with getting audio/video product to pass the class A limit.
I've narrowed it down to the HDMI cables. Even the ones with the ferrites on
both ends are inconsistent.
Does anyone have a recommendation on where to find good EMI/EMC HDMI Cables.
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Re: [PSES] e-Labeling
Sorry Peter for the late reply. I was not well.
The product is ITE and it will go under LVD and it will be tested to IEC62368-1
The product does have an display.
ThanksPeter
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Subject: Re: [PSES] e-Labeling
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That’s a very general question. For what type of equipment under what
Directives and Standards are you expecting this? For example,
do you find the needed labeling for your cell phone on the product itself or
is it embedded in the firmware somewhere or what is there accompanying
documentation providing it? :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins,
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[PSES] e-Labeling
Hello group,
Do we know if EU accepts e-Labeling or not?
ThanksPeter
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Re: [PSES] EN55024 and EN55035
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Subject: RE: [PSES] EN55024 and EN55035
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we need to know what product you are talking about ITE, A/V or Medical, etc.?
Please be safe Stay Home - Stop the Spread – Save Lives Best Regards Bansi
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Subject: [PSES] EN55024 and EN55035 Friends, Currently in the EU OJ, both
EN55024 and EN55035 are listed and there is no date of withdrawal for EN55024.
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[PSES] EN55024 and EN55035
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[PSES] Japanese safety lab
Friends,
Are there any other government agency that can do safety tests beside JET in
Japan? I have been dealing with JET directly and it has been a nightmare due to
their lack of knowledge of ITE standard and wanted to see if there are any
other labs that I can use rather than JET.
ThanksPeter
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Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Mandatory certification
Thank you Ted, Rich and Regan,
The product is classified as IT and is sold to pro market. i.e it is used by
professional and not consumer market. There two types of products. Class I as
well as Class III. They are mainly used in corporation conference rooms.
With that in mind, what are your thoughts about mandatory NRTL certification as
well as FCC?
ThanksPeter
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To: EMC-PSTC
Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2020 6:16 pm
Subject: Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Mandatory certification
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Let me add to Rich and Regan’s comments. The question for residential
installations isn’t as clear as for the workplace. Most jurisdictions in the
United States have adopted the National Electrical Code which requires many
electrical and electronic products to either be Listed or to be investigated
and approved by the local Authority Having Jurisdiction. In practice, this
typically will apply to hard-wired products or products attached to building
structure. The enforcement is typically through an electrical inspection which
will often not cover plug-connected devices. In the workplace, any product
that has a direct connection to the mains will need NRTL approval. At the other
end of the spectrum, a product like a USB mouse or remote control using
alkaline batteries likely won’t need NRTL approval. In theory, I believe an
OSHA inspector could enforce the NRTL requirement on any electrical product,
but that won’t necessarily be what happens in practice. That being said, you
can choose not to get NRTL approval for your product. However, you need to
understand the risks your product may pose. If you sell products to commercial
customers, are you meeting their needs? Will your products be acceptable to
them? If you have a low-voltage device that isn’t mains connected, you will
need to understand your customer’s needs before you make any determination
about skipping NRTL approval. Let’s use the USB mouse example. If you sell a
USB mouse that has no NRTL approval, you can state that you are selling a
product to the general public for home use where NRTL approval for a mouse is
clearly not required. You can then argue that any business that purchases it is
making their own decision on whether to accept a non-NRTL product. However, it
is up to you, your employer and your employer’s legal department on whether you
should take this approach. Ted Eckert The opinions expressed do not
necessarily reflect those of my employer, OSHA or the U.S. Department of Labor.
From: Richard Nute
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2020 3:52 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Mandatory certification Hi Peter: I can
only speak to NRTL certification. If your product can be used in a
workplace, then NRTL certification is mandatory. In most non-workplace
locations, safety certification is mandatory. A local authority specifies the
acceptable certification houses. Most local authorities specify the NRTL
certification houses. Certification by a NRTL certification house is
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[PSES] Mandatory certification
Hello colleagues,
I have a simple question. For an IT product that falls under60950-1 and CISPR
32, do FCC and NRTL certification mandatory? I have always been under the
impression that the when it comes to EMI/EMC, testing and
certification/validation is mandatory but when it comes to product safety it is
not but I am not 100% sure about my assumption. The product is unintentional
radiator.
Thanks
Peter
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[PSES] ErP 2009/125/EC
Hello friends,
Can anyone point me to a web site that shows the deadline for level V energy
efficiency for external PS please?
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Re: [PSES] Intentional radiator Class A or Class B
John,
Are you saying that a product with intentional radiator only needs to meet
Class A for emissions in EU? i.e there is no difference in terms of the limit
between intentional and unintentional radiators when it comes to EU. Is that a
correct statement?
ThanksPeter
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From: John Woodgate
To: peterhays ; EMC-PSTC
Sent: Mon, Sep 16, 2019 11:34 am
Subject: Re: [PSES] Intentional radiator Class A or Class B
That should be CISPR 35, not CISPR 24 now. In Europe, it would be Class A. The
manual should say 'This product is not to be used in a residential
environment.'. Best wishes
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2019-09-16 17:56, peterh...@aol.com wrote:
The product is an ITE and follows CISPR 32 and CISPR 24
It will be sold globally
The product is a small touch panel.
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From: John Woodgate
To: peterhays ; EMC-PSTC
Sent: Mon, Sep 16, 2019 12:37 am
Subject: Re: [PSES] Intentional radiator Class A or Class B
To give a reliable answer, we need to know the type of product or the EMC
emission standard that applies (e.g. CISPR 14-1/EN 55014-1) and which
countries/regions it will be sold in.
Best wishes
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2019-09-16 03:51,
06cee064502d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
I have a client that design and manufacture products for use in
non-residential environment. This product consists of a BT module. I am told
that the product must meet Class B emissions. Is this correct? What if we put
an statement in the user manual stating that this product is not to be used in
residential market? Would that give us the pass to go to Class A? Thank you
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The product is an ITE and follows CISPR 32 and CISPR 24
It will be sold globally
The product is a small touch panel.
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From: John Woodgate
To: peterhays ; EMC-PSTC
Sent: Mon, Sep 16, 2019 12:37 am
Subject: Re: [PSES] Intentional radiator Class A or Class B
To give a reliable answer, we need to know the type of product or the EMC
emission standard that applies (e.g. CISPR 14-1/EN 55014-1) and which
countries/regions it will be sold in.
Best wishes
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2019-09-16 03:51, 06cee064502d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org
wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
I have a client that design and manufacture products for use in
non-residential environment. This product consists of a BT module. I am told
that the product must meet Class B emissions. Is this correct? What if we put
an statement in the user manual stating that this product is not to be used in
residential market? Would that give us the pass to go to Class A? Thank you
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[PSES] Intentional radiator Class A or Class B
Dear Colleagues,
I have a client that design and manufacture products for usein non-residential
environment. This product consists of a BT module. I am toldthat the product
must meet Class B emissions. Is this correct? What if we putan statement in the
user manual stating that this product is not to be used inresidential market?
Would that give us the pass to go to Class A?
Thank you all
Peter
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[PSES] Frequency range for conducted emissions
Hello group,
Does anyone know why the conducted emissions for ITE products starts at 150KHz
and end at 30MHz? Why not start at 120KHz or 190KHz. Why finish at 30 and not
40MHz?
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[PSES] Ground on ship
Hello group,
Is there a real ground in a ship? i.e if a Class I product is used on the
board of a ship, does the ground pin actually doing anything? The ship is
floating in the ocean and I cannot understand if there is a real ground there
or not? Can you guys educate me please?
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Re: [PSES] RoHS 3 question
thank you all Peter -Original Message- From: Scott Xe To: EMC-PSTC Sent: Fri, May 10, 2019 8:37 am Subject: Re: [PSES] RoHS 3 question Actually there are more than a dozen of amendments in 2018 and 2019 amending the exemptions of 2011/65/EU . We have to take note of them unless the product has a clean compliance. Regds, Scott On Fri, 10 May 2019, 3:49 am John Woodgate, wrote: You normally only cite the latest version. As far as I know, all these references end in /EU now. Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK The UK is a sovereign state, not a Zollverein state On 2019-05-09 19:12, 06cee064502d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org wrote: Hello group, Our products complies with all versions of RoHS including the latest one. When it comes to creating Declarations of conformity, do I write (RoHS) 2011/65/EU + 2015/863 or do I just write 2015/863? Is there an EU at the end of the 863? Thanks Peter - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.htmlAttachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.htmlFor help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.htmlAttachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.htmlFor help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] RoHS 3 question
Hello group, Our products complies with all versions of RoHS including the latest one. When it comes to creating Declarations of conformity, do I write (RoHS) 2011/65/EU+ 2015/863 or do I just write 2015/863? Is there an EU at the end of the 863? ThanksPeter - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
