Modem tests for Call ID ,call Waiting for Sweden
Hi there, I am looking for some test laboratory able to perform tests on modem for parameters like : - Call Waiting - Caller ID - Modem on Hold according to the Swedish parameters, specs 1/1551-LZBA 505 457 thanks in advance Pierre-Marie Senior Approval Engineer Tel : +33 (0) 4 93 00 14 13 / Mob +33 6 87 71 58 36 Fax : +33 (0) 4 93 00 14 01
RE: Harmonized Standard
Kirk, In Europe the harmonized standards for GSM/GPRS are contained in the Official Journal of the European Communities dated 9.3.2002 ref 2002/C 62/03. I recommend you strongly to get your product approved by the Global Certification Forum which has requirements far more above the RTTE directive. Visit the GCF site for more details : http://gcf.gsm.org/ Pierre-Marie Sophia Certification and Environmental Labs Intel Corporation Senior Approval Engineer From: Kirk Thomas [mailto:k...@cclab.com] Sent: mardi 6 mai 2003 00:37 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Harmonized Standard I have a GSM/GPRS modem that has been certified under part 24E, and now I am looking for a harmonized standard to test against for Europe. Any suggestions. Thanks for your assistance, Kirk Thomas This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: FCC Limits
You can visit : http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_01/47cfr15_01.html Good luck Pierre-Marie Andre Senior Approval Engineer From: lfresea...@aol.com [mailto:lfresea...@aol.com] Sent: mardi 29 avril 2003 15:15 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: FCC Limits Hi all, at the IEEE symposium last year I sat through a presentation that showed changes to the Part 15 limits. Can anyone point me to where I can get the numbers? I've searched around the FCC site, but not been very successful. Thanks, Derek N. Walton Owner L F Research EMC Design and Test Facility Poplar Grove, Illinois, USA www.lfresearch.com
New Safety Scheme in China : CCC
Does somebody could give me some views on the new CCC approval scheme in China ? Is this new approval process mandatory for products already approved before CCC, ie June 2002 ? I s a re approval required by the China Authority ? Many thanks for your answer Pierre-Marie Andre Senior Approval Engineer
Metro Ethernet and Approval
Hi there , By looking at the http://www.metroethernet.org www.metroethernet.org I have been reading some recent information about “Ethernet” technology as metropolitan Ethernet. In the following article : http://www.vnunet.com/News/1139377 http://www.vnunet.com/News/1139377 “The completion of Metro Ethernet service specifications in August this year may accelerate the take-up of the technology by telecoms carriers, leading to a wider range of cheaper, faster, more reliable wide area network (Wan) services becoming available to corporates. “ Can somebody give me some light about the future work for approval ? Can we think reasonably that the new technology “Metro Ethernet” will require approval as it could extend a LAN to a WAN ? Thanks to share your thoughts Pierre-Marie Andre Senior Approval Engineer
Dark Fiber and Regulation
Hi there, Could somebody bring some light (!) on the so called “Dark Fiber” offering. Here is one definition I found : Dark fiber is optical fiber infrastructure (cabling and repeaters) that is currently in place but is not being used. Optical fiber conveys information in the form of light pulses so the dark means no light pulses are being sent Dark fiber service is service provided by local exchange carriers (LECs) for the maintenance of optical fiber transmission capacity between customer locations in which the light for the fiber is provided by the customer rather than the LEC. My question : The LAN product I am looking for regulation is conform to IEEE 802.3z,so the interface have been defined. Is there any standards or technical specifications for the “Dark Fiber” infrastructure ? Should I ask to each Dark Fiber Provider to get this info ? Best regards Pierre-Marie Andre Senior Approval Engineer
RE2: Dark Fiber and Regulation
Marko, Thanks for your comments. My understanding is that a “Dark Fiber” has an other meaning : a service offered by a Telco or a service provider to extend the usage of your fiber LAN for example to increase the distance from one mile to 100 or more. In this case the fiber adapter, in my case it is a Gigabit Ethernet, will be connected to a leased line belonging to a Telco or a Service provider. So I would think as far as compliance some countries could require a Telecom approval on top of the EMC/Safety. Right ? Pierre-Marie From: Marko Radojicic [mailto:mar...@turnstone.com] Sent: lundi 17 mars 2003 18:41 To: Andre, Pierre-Marie; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; t...@world.std.com Subject: RE: Dark Fiber and Regulation Pierre-Marie, There is no distinction between Dark and Lit fiber as far as standards compliance. I suspect that you will find the majority of dark fiber isn't actually dark but certain (DWDM) wavelengths on it are lit (in-use) and others are dark (not in-use). For example on a particular link, 5 DWDM channels may be in-use while 35 are dark. If you are meeting the appropriate IEEE 802.3x spec, I don't know of anything further that you would need to do. ...Marko From: Andre, Pierre-Marie [mailto:pierre-marie.an...@intel.com] Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 5:28 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; t...@world.std.com Subject: Dark Fiber and Regulation Hi there, Could somebody bring some light (!) on the so called Dark Fiber offering. Here is one definition I found : Dark fiber is optical fiber infrastructure (cabling and repeaters) that is currently in place but is not being used. Optical fiber conveys information in the form of light pulses so the dark means no light pulses are being sent Dark fiber service is service provided by local exchange carriers (LECs) for the maintenance of optical fiber transmission capacity between customer locations in which the light for the fiber is provided by the customer rather than the LEC. My question : The LAN product I am looking for regulation is conform to IEEE 802.3z,so the interface have been defined. Is there any standards or technical specifications for the Dark Fiber infrastructure ? Should I ask to each Dark Fiber Provider to get this info ? Best regards Pierre-Marie Andre Senior Approval Engineer
Approval of WLAN 802.11 in Latvia
Hi all, We got information from the Ministry of Transport of the Republic of Latvia that the Telecommunications state inspection is passing an accreditation which is required according to the new regulations of the Cabinet of Ministers of Latvia. That is apparently impacting timescales for obtaining WLAN products type approved in Latvia. Does anybody heard about it and have further details? Best regards Pierre-Marie Andre Senior Approval Engineer
Approval of WLAN 802.11 in UAE
Hi all, We have been informed that United Arab Emirats (UAE) is holding all applications for approvals of WLAN 802.11 products until the new regulations are ready, but we do not have any further information. Could anybody confirm this information with more details ? Best regards Pierre-Marie Andre Senior Approval Engineer
Apporval of WLAN 802.11 in India
Hi all, We have been informed that India will now request in country tests for WLAN 802.11 products.But the decision is not taken yet, As of today the requirements is unclear…. Before we have been able to get approval of such products without in country tests by just submitting technical file with Appropriate tests reports. Anybody could confirm this information ? Pierre-Marie Andre Senior Approval Engineer Tel : +33 (0) 4 93 00 14 13 Fax : +33 (0) 4 93 00 14 01
ITU or ETSI standards for PSTN Network impairment
Hi All, I am looking for the equivalent of the standard TIA/EIA-793 in ITU-T or ETSI. Title: North American Telephone Network Transmission Model for Evaluating Analog Client and Digitally Connected Server Modems (ANSI/TIA/EIA-793-2001) Description: This document defines a model of the characteristics of the Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN) in the continental United States of America which determine PCM modem transmission performance I have found the ITU-T G.102 but there are not actual values for impairments, only the definition. Thanks for your help Pierre-Marie Andre Senior Approval Engineer
RE: Resource for Online Standard.
Hi Cheng, This is a good question but implies a lot of search work that we are all as regulatory engineer involved. Why don't you try with : http://tsk.telcordia.com/about.cfm And/or thsis one : http://www.cssinfo.com/ Cssinfo do have link to IEC,EN,. Good luck and let us know Pierre-Marie Andre From: Cheng-Wee Lai [mailto:chengwee_...@emclab2000.com] Sent: samedi 8 février 2003 01:24 To: Emc-Pstc Subject: Resource for Online Standard. All, I know this might be a very stupid question to ask, but is there a place where I can pay a flat subscription fee and able to read all these new standard (e.g. all these IEC, EN, ISO, ANSI, UL, AU/NZ etc), so I don't need to worry about collecting all the up to date standard. Cause by the time I get the whole set, I find myself ready to redo the collecting cycle again because there are new edition coming. Cheng-Wee Lai This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: EU ascensions - Which countries officially accept the CE mark ?
Mike, May be you can find the answer at : http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/regulation/pecas/pecas_negotiations .htm Good luck Pierre-Marie Andre Senior Approval Engineer From: Mike Cantwell [mailto:mike.cantw...@flextronics.com] Sent: lundi 20 janvier 2003 17:44 To: Emc-Pstc (E-mail) Subject: EU ascensions - Which countries officially accept the CE mark? All, There are 8 countries, that I know of, that are currently in the process of ascension into the EU: The Czech Republic (*) Turkey Bulgaria Hungary (*) Poland Romania Slovakia Slovenia Those with (*), I believe, have passed legislation to officially accept the CE mark for ITE products. Does anyone know if the remaining countries on this list have either passed legislation to accept the CE mark, or do they still require their own national marks? Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike Cantwell This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: Singapore and IDA license
Rob, Your question is so wide ? for which product ? You can start by visiting the IDA web site : http://www.ida.gov.sg/Website/IDAhome.nsf/fFrame?OpenFormdoc=B85AF9D7D0 636A83C82568380032B0A8 good luck Pierre-Marie Andre From: Rob Humphrey [mailto:rob.humph...@reuters.com] Sent: vendredi 17 janvier 2003 11:02 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Singapore and IDA license I have been advised by the Singapore authorities that I need to get an IDA license . What is it and how do I get one? Thanks in anticipation Visit our Internet site at http://www.reuters.com Get closer to the financial markets with Reuters Messaging - for more information and to register, visit http://www.reuters.com/messaging Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Reuters Ltd. This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: Saudi Arabian PC EMC/Safety Requirements
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Here is the contact address that I have (source http://www.mediabrains.com/client/telecomweb) : Ministry of Post, Telegraph and Telephone Address: Director General Riyadh 2 SAUDI ARABIA Phone: +966 1 452 2 333 Fax: +966 1 450 4 382 Good luck Pierre-Marie Andre From: Rod Munro [mailto:rmu...@spectrumti.com] Sent: mercredi 15 janvier 2003 09:46 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Saudi Arabian PC EMC/Safety Requirements Hello EMC-PSTC User Group, I am looking for advice or web site recommendation to determine the EMC and any Safety test requirements necessary to market Laptop PC's operating under 2 GHz in Saudi Arabia. The device currently has been tested for: EN55022 Class B, EN55024, FCC Part 15 Class B, IEC 60950 Safety, Part 68, CS03 for a Modem and TBR-21 European Pre Approved. Thank you for your time and input, your advice will be appreciated. Best Regards, Rod Munro image001.gif
RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface
Colin, You have to be carefull about what Korea RRL is stating by telecom type approval. We have experience with VPN product without connections to the Public Network and they have requested telecom approval tests. Mainly the tests consist of EMI/EMC tests I hope this help Pierre-Marie Andre Sophia Certification and Environmental Labs Intel Corp.Senior Approval Engineer Tel : +33 (0) 4 93 00 14 13 Fax : +33 (0) 4 93 00 14 01 http://www.intel.fr/ -Original Message- From: colin_mcgeec...@agilent.com [mailto:colin_mcgeec...@agilent.com] Sent: jeudi 3 octobre 2002 12:32 To: t...@world.std.com; emc-p...@ieee.org; n...@world.std.com Cc: colin_mcgeec...@agilent.com Subject: RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface Hi All, I have some Network Equipment with DS1 and E1/T1 interfaces, it is for use within the Telco Central Office and while I believe it to be outwith the scope of the RTTE I find that in Korea this type of interface requires a Telecom type approval (according to the Korean Test Lab - Estech Co,Ltd). I am trying to argue the point, but have not read the regulations (I'm trying to get a translation) and therefore can't put this into context. Has anyone else experienced similar requirements for Korea? Thanks and regards. Colin McGeechan Product Regulations Specialist Telecomms Networks Test Division Agilent Technologies UK Limited West Lothian Scotland EH30 9TG +44 (0)131 331 7196 Tel 3132196 TN +44 (0)131 331 6075 Fax www.agilent.com Registered Office: Eskdale Road, Winnersh Triangle, Wokingham, Berkshire, RG41 5DZ. Registered Number: 03809903 England -Original Message- From: Joe Finlayson [mailto:jfinlay...@telica.com] Sent: 02 October 2002 19:56 To: TREG Newsgroup; 'EMC PSTC'; 'NEBS Newsgroup' Subject: RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface Roger, Thanks for the contact. I will do just that and post the response from Mr. Bogers. Anyone want to bet a beer on this one?? ;-) Thx, Joe -Original Message- From: Roger Magnuson [mailto:ro...@tgc.se] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 2:07 PM To: Joe Finlayson; 'Clement Dave-LDC009'; TREG Newsgroup; 'EMC PSTC'; 'NEBS Newsgroup' Cc: Roger Magnuson Subject: RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface Joe et al, It seems a little overambitious to declare it under RTTE as Network Equipment did not even require type approval under the old TTE Directive. If you need a comment right from the source I suggest you contact Mark Bogers (mark.bog...@cec.eu.int), he is the contact point for RTTE issues. Roger Magnuson TGC Communication AB -Original Message- From: treg-appro...@world.std.com [mailto:treg-appro...@world.std.com]On Behalf Of Joe Finlayson Sent: den 2 oktober 2002 19:09 To: 'Clement Dave-LDC009'; TREG Newsgroup; 'EMC PSTC'; 'NEBS Newsgroup' Subject: RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface Dave, My position was based on my particular interface (in this case also E1) and, based on my interpretation, concluded that it does not fall under the scope of the RTTE Directive. Based on your examples below, I can see that apparently there are PSTN interfaces that can be classified as SELV. We definitely seem to have a divided field here. I've seen posts stating Absolutely RTTE as well as Absolutely not RTTE. Is there anyone out there who was involved in the draft of the RTTE that can comment on the intent? Thx, Joe -Original Message- From: Clement Dave-LDC009 [mailto:dave.clem...@motorola.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:47 AM To: 'Joe Finlayson'; TREG Newsgroup; 'EMC PSTC'; 'NEBS Newsgroup' Subject: RE: RTTE or LVD for Equipment with E1 SELV interface Joe, Maybe I have missed something here but how does the TNV-X vs SELV from a safety perspective define if the product falls under the RTTE Directive? Many telcom interfaces are SELV from a safety perspective and clearly fall under the RTTE Directive. For example; V.11/V.24/V.35/X.21 when connected to WAN services via a CSU/DSU and ISDN Basic Rate S/T. Also, I believe Peter's original post stated intrabuilding and did not state it was CO equipment. In any case there are expectations and I believe you are going to spend more time trying to justify why you did not declare to the RTTE than if you just do it. Again because of expectations I would have a TBR12/13 test report to back up the declaration even if it's no longer mandatory. NOTE: meeting the over voltage requirements of these standards has nothing to do with the classification of the port from a safety standpoint since the surges are applied to the AC mains (not even applicable ifDC powered) Dave Clement Motorola Inc. Test Lab Services Homologation Engineering 20 Cabot Blvd. Mansfield, MA 02048 P:508-851-8259 F:508-851-8512 C:508-725-9689 mailto:dave.clem...@motorola.com http://www.motorola.com/globalcompliance/ -Original Message- From: Joe Finlayson
RE: anybody have a better link than this to the fcc rules - only shows the odd sections of part 15
Look at this one ,it may be better. http://ftp.fcc.gov/oet/info/rules/ good luck Pierre-Marie Andre Senior Approval Engineer -Original Message- From: Gary McInturff [mailto:gary.mcintu...@worldwidepackets.com] Sent: lundi 18 mars 2002 17:32 To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: anybody have a better link than this to the fcc rules - only shows the odd sections of part 15 http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_01/47cfr15_01.html --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: RTTE
I thought that Hungary and Czec Republic are RTTE like,not 100% RTTE according to the type of interface some minor difference may exist (label,DOC,...) Pierre-Marie Andre Intel Sophia Senior Approval Engineer -Original Message- From: Kim Boll Jensen [mailto:kimb...@post7.tele.dk] Sent: mercredi 6 mars 2002 11:44 To: richwo...@tycoint.com Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: RTTE Hi all Here are a list of all countries which at the moment have implemented the RTTE directive 100%: Belgium Denmark UK Finland France Greece Holland Italy Iceland Ireland Liechtenstein Luxembourg Norway Portugal Spain Sweden Switzerland Czech Republic Germany Hungary Austria richwo...@tycoint.com skriver: Have any European states that are not EU or EFTA members adopted the RTTE Directive and Notificaion process? In other words, will any other European countries allow a radio product to be placed on their market if the processes of the RTTE Directive are followed without the need for any ot From - Sun Mar 10 05:16:34 2002 Return-Path: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Received: from ruebert.ieee.org ([140.98.193.10]) by mtiwgwc28.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id 20020306105605.cpc24579.mtiwgwc28.worldnet.att@ruebert.ieee.org; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:56:05 + Received: (from daemon@localhost) by ruebert.ieee.org (Switch-2.1.0/Switch-2.1.0) id g26AhRS25559 for emc-pstc-resent; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 05:43:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: 3c85f2db.dcfb1...@post7.tele.dk List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:43:39 +0100 From: Kim Boll Jensen kimb...@post7.tele.dk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [da] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: da MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richwo...@tycoint.com CC: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: RTTE References: 846BF526A205F84BA2B6045BBF7E9A6A01F13EC8@flbocexu05 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=EE982B8B8087C7659CE469C8 Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Kim Boll Jensen kimb...@post7.tele.dk X-Resent-To: Multiple Recipients emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Listname: emc-pstc X-Info: Help requests to emc-pstc-requ...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Info: [Un]Subscribe requests to majord...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Moderator-Address: emc-pstc-appro...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 X-Mozilla-Status2: X-UIDL: 3c85f2db.dcfb1...@post7.tele.dk Der er en flerdelt meddelelse i MIME-format. --EE982B8B8087C7659CE469C8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all Here are a list of all countries which at the moment have implemented the RTTE directive 100%: Belgium Denmark UK Finland France Greece Holland Italy Iceland Ireland Liechtenstein Luxembourg Norway Portugal Spain Sweden Switzerland Czech Republic Germany Hungary Austria richwo...@tycoint.com skriver: Have any European states that are not EU or EFTA members adopted the RTTE Directive and Notificaion process? In other words, will any other European countries allow a radio product to be placed on their market if the processes of the RTTE Directive are followed without the need for any other special national process to be followed? Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --EE982B8B8087C7659CE469C8 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name=kimboll.vcf Content-Description: Kort for Kim Boll Jensen Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=kimboll.vcf Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ruebert.ieee.org id g26AhRS25559 begin:vcard=20 n:Jensen;Kim Boll tel;cell:22 99 69 91 tel;fax:48 18 35 30 tel;work:48 18 35 66 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.bolls.dk org:Bolls R=E5dgivning adr:;;Hyacintvej 6;Stenl=F8se;;3660;Danmark version:2.1 email;internet:k...@bolls.dk fn:Kim Boll end:vcard --EE982B8B8087C7659CE469C8-- --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at:
Modem approval in Vietnam
Hi All, can somebody tell me if a Modem Card or the Stand alone Modem require approval in Vietnam ? I heard that the answer is different for a stand alone modem and a modem card . many thanks for your answer Pierre-Marie Andre Senior Approval Engineer --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: Regulatory General Discussion : ouput of Compliance group
Doug, thanks you for your inputs. The good argument is really in the FULL implication of the Compliance group in the design process right ? with full power to sign off the design changes best regards to all compliance engineers Pierre-Marie Andre Senior Approval Engineer -Original Message- From: Doug McKean [mailto:dmck...@auspex.com] Sent: samedi 15 décembre 2001 01:26 To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group Subject: Re: Regulatory General Discussion : ouput of Compliance group Andre, Pierre-Marie wrote: So has anybody some thoughts or argument on the measurement or evaluation of an Compliance Group ? Well, I'd hate to let the dirty little secret out of the bag for those of us who would fall under such and evaluation. Important in such an evaluation would be that the company has allowed the compliance engineer to have significant input to the design/mfring processes. I've been in companies where evaluations from the compliance engineer amounted to nothing more than a suggestion. Very frustrating. Other places had the compliance engineer greatly involved as a signatory in product release and with ECR/ECOs. Start with an ideal world where the compliance engineer has complete planning, budgeting, signatory/approval powers with the complete product cycle from prototype-to-product release-to product obsolescence. Consider that as the complete model. Then, as the person has less and less involvement/approval power in those areas, they are thus less responsible for them and thus, they are not to be evaluated in those areas. You'll probably find the typical compliance engineer ends up in reality scheduling tests w/no approval powers, has input to ECR/ECOs but no signatory powers, inputs into product design by way of memos, sometimes are the last to know about significant design changes, and might answer to someone who knows little about compliance engineering. IMO, evaluation would be difficult. Regards, Doug McKean --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Regulatory General Discussion : ouput of Compliance group
Hi there, A few days ago there was some very interesting discussions about the Compliance groups among companies. A lot of ideas came out very clearly like do a company needs a centralized regulatory group,how to fund it,how to explain our regulatory tasks (quite complex !),how to structure it. Some extracts of the previous discussions : RE: Quality Assurance and product approvals Unless the role of the Compliance group is very narrow and involves only support of one function (which I doubt), I feel that an independent Compliance group is essential. It should be functionally independent to any other group and reporting to the MD, or, reporting to the QA Director/Manager. This will mean you can realistically argue for adequate resouces to do a professional job for all those groups requiring your services. You will have somebody independent at the right level in the organisation supporting the Compliance group - essential when $$$ are involved. Let's face it, no RD Manager is going to approve headcount for a 2nd Compliance Engineer whose primary function is to do audits of the production facility to ensure critical components are controlled as they should, and, to support Sales/Marketing to achieve product approvals worldwide. (To bring this back to procedures/process) There also needs to be a 'document' which highlights: 1. What services the Compliance group offer; 2. The inputs (from other groups) required, and the outputs to be expected from each service; 3. Turnaround time (this will never be 100% accurate) With a document such as this published it raises awareness among each of the functions that the Compliance group do have organisation-wide responsibilites and are not at the beck and call of just one group. It forces them to plan for compliance also. It gives the Compliance group more credibility and visibility I still have some question about the output of such a group.Since we are only producing a so called Type Approval it appears for some people that we are measured with the number of Type Approval granted. But this measurement is un realistics since some approval require 6 months effort whereas others require only a few days ! In others words the measurement must include the difficulty and complexity of the approval. So has anybody some thoughts or argument on the measurement or evaluation of an Compliance Group ? many thanks for your help Pierre-Marie Andre Senior Approval Engineer ---BeginMessage--- I think the point raised by Gary re: where the Compliance group fits into the organisation structure is more important than procedures/process, although I disagree with him about where that should be. Let me explain. Having a good working relationship with Engineering is indeed critical, however from my experience I believe it essential for the Compliance group to be organisationally independent of Engineering. If not, then there are always conflicts of interest when allocating the (usually limited) Compliance resources between: Engineering - there are 4 design reviews this week and preparation required for a safety pre-compliance test next week; Operations - the agency auditor is visiting next week and there is some prep needed; Sales/Marketing - the Russian approval is expiring in 2 weeks and you need to re-apply, prepare doc pack, etc. How do you prioritise without getting slack from at least one functional head ?? Obviously if the Compliance group is actually a group and not just 1 or 2 persons, then with a good understanding of the roles amongst the group members the above does not really pose a problem. However I do NOT believe this is the case, particularly in the current climate of lay-offs, with us Compliance folk are becoming less essential. Unless the role of the Compliance group is very narrow and involves only support of one function (which I doubt), I feel that an independent Compliance group is essential. It should be functionally independent to any other group and reporting to the MD, or, reporting to the QA Director/Manager. This will mean you can realistically argue for adequate resouces to do a professional job for all those groups requiring your services. You will have somebody independent at the right level in the organisation supporting the Compliance group - essential when $$$ are involved. Let's face it, no RD Manager is going to approve headcount for a 2nd Compliance Engineer whose primary function is to do audits of the production facility to ensure critical components are controlled as they should, and, to support Sales/Marketing to achieve product approvals worldwide. (To bring this back to procedures/process) There also needs to be a 'document' which highlights: 1. What services the Compliance group offer; 2. The inputs (from other groups) required, and the
ISO 9000:2000 standards
Hi colleagues, I am not sure this subject is part of this forum. Are the ISO 9000:2000 standards available on line ? I would appreciate at least some overview. Looking at http://www.iso.org/iso/en/iso9000-14000/iso9000/qmp.html#Principle5 give me some views but not enough. thanks for your help Pierre-Marie Andre Intel Sophia Senior Approval Engineer Tel : +33 (0) 4 93 00 14 13 Fax : +33 (0) 4 93 00 14 01 http://www.intel.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: Swiss Web Site
hi there, may be you can look at : http://www.bakom.ch/eng/subpage/?category_51.html Pierre-Marie Andre Intel Sophia Senior Approval Engineer Tel : +33 (0) 4 93 00 14 13 Fax : +33 (0) 4 93 00 14 01 http://www.intel.com -Original Message- From: am...@westin.org [mailto:am...@westin.org] Sent: lundi 17 septembre 2001 10:11 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: European Economic Area Thanks Brian for giving us an updating on the status in Switzerland. Does it exist any web-site describing the Swiss EMC, telecom and safety requirements ? Best regards Amund Westin, Oslo/Norway On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:35:23 +0100 Brian Jones e...@brianjones.co.uk wrote: Richard and everyone The directives do not apply in Switzerland and therefore the CE marking has no legal significance. As far as EMC is concerned, Switzerland has its own laws including the Law of Electricity 1902, The Law of Telecommunications 1991, the Law of Broadcasting 1991, and Ordinance SR 734, Article 4 of which contains EMC provisions. This was the position when I last checked in detail a couple of years ago. I am not aware of any changes, but perhaps one of the list members from Switzerland could update us if anything has changed recently, and on other provisions such as safety. Best wishes Brian Brian Jones EMC Consultant and Competent Body Signatory Keep up to date with EMC Matters newsletter e-mail newslet...@brianjones.co.uk for a free sample in .pdf format - Original Message - From: wo...@sensormatic.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 2:29 PM Subject: RE: European Economic Area Thanks for the clarification, Brian. What is the legal state of the Directives and CE marking in Switzerland? If they don't apply, what does? Richard Woods -- From: Brian Jones [SMTP:e...@brianjones.co.uk] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:56 AM To: wo...@sensormatic.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: European Economic Area Richard and everyone The three EFTA countries which are parties to the European Economic Area agreement are Iceland, Norway and Liechtenstein. They apply the directives as if they were members of the EU. Although Switzerland is an EFTA member, it did not join the others in EEA membership. Best wishes Brian Jones EMC Consultant and Competent Body Signatory Keep up to date with EMC Matters newsletter e-mail newslet...@brianjones.co.uk for a free sample in .pdf format - Original Message - From: wo...@sensormatic.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:17 PM Subject: RE: CE Mark and GOST One slight correction. The Directives and CE marking also legally apply in the EFTA member states: Norway, Iceland and Switzerland and perhaps a couple more that I don't recall at the moment. Richard Woods --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. -- Get your firstname@lastname email for FREE at http://Nameplanet.com/?su --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:
