Re: [PSES] [PSES] IEC/EN62368-1 includes requirements (Annex M) to IEC/EN 62133-2

[Chris Wordley]

Hi Amund

UN38.3 only addresses battery transportation, covering both expected conditions 
and likely mishandling / abuse situations, to demonstrate that they are safe to 
transport. The battery isn’t usually operational during this phase of its life. 

So although some tests are similar, UN38.3 cannot be considered an alternative 
to IEC 62133-2. 

Chris 


> On 16 Oct 2023, at 19:31, Amund Westin  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, James!
> 
> Seems we might have an issue here since the cells are not IEC62133-2 approved.
> 
> But the cells are UN38.3 certified. And we are now running UN38.3 on the 
> complete product (product and cells includes). 
> Do you know if such UN38.3 tests will be good as IEC62133-2 compliance?
> 
> BR
> Amund
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Opprinnelig melding-
> Fra: James Pawson (U3C) 
> Sendt: 16. oktober 2023 16:39
> Til: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> Emne: Re: [PSES] IEC/EN62368-1 includes requirements (Annex M) to IEC/EN 
> 62133-2
> 
> Hi Amund,
> 
> Annex M (batteries) is normative = shall comply. You only get to comply with 
> Annex M if you pass M.2.1 which requires that cells comply with the relevant 
> IEC standard.
> 
> IEC 62133 (all parts) are in Annex ZA as an undated reference meaning you 
> should be looking to use the latest one - this is currently IEC 
> 62133-2:2017+A1:2021.
> 
> Many (reputable) battery manufacturers will be aware of this and will have 
> battery packs that are pre-certified to the latest standard.
> 
> All the best
> James
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> -Original Message-
> From: Amund Westin 
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 3:27 PM
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> Subject: [PSES] IEC/EN62368-1 includes requirements (Annex M) to IEC/EN 
> 62133-2
> 
> An IT product must comply to EN62368-1. It contains Lithium LiPo batter.
> According to EN/IEC62368-1-1:2020, § M.2 Safety of batteries and their cells, 
> the standard IEC 62133-2 is listed, and batteries and cells shall comply 
> according to that standard.
> 
> Could this be interpreted as an invariable requirement, that if you are to 
> fulfill EN62368-1 and have LiPo cells in your product, then the cells must 
> comply with this standard IEC 62133-2?
> How well known is IEC 62133-2? 
> 
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> 
> Thanks!
> 
> BR
> Amund
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Re: [PSES] Directives that require the CE Marking

[Chris Wordley]

Hi Brian

Unless it is for use in an explosive atmosphere, then I can’t see that any CE 
marking legislation will apply. 

If it is intended for consumers or likely, under reasonably foreseeable 
conditions, to be used by consumers even if not intended for them, then the 
General Product Safety Directive (and its replacement the General Product 
Safety Regulation) would apply. Plus there’s REACH that applies to almost 
everything. 

And yes, 'Sales and Marketing types’ are the same the world over.  

Regards
Chris 


> On 19 Sep 2023, at 14:31, Brian Kunde  wrote:
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> I have a non-electrical benchtop product that holds a piece of sandpaper 
> while slowly running water over the sandpaper. The only connection to this 
> product is a water supply at normal water supply pressure.  The User holds 
> the item they want to sand in their hand and rubs it back and forth on the 
> sandpaper.  It is as simple as that.
> 
> Is there an EU Directive that covers this type of product and if so, is the 
> Directive part of the CE Scheme?  I don't think there is but I am not 
> familiar with all of the EU Directives.  
> 
> 
> So why am I asking?  Believe it or not, some Sales and Marketing types like 
> to see the CE Marking on products. They feel it makes things sell better and 
> it avoids uneducated customers from asking why there is no CE marking on the 
> product.  
> 
> Thanks for any advice, ideas, information, or suggestions.
> The Other Brian
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[PSES] IEC / EN 62368-1 Annex E

[Chris Wordley]

Hello experts

I have a question about how Annex E of EN 62368-1:2020 should be interpreted.

Does the classification of the audio amplifier output terminals need to be done 
with the worst case out-of-phase audio signals (to give the maximum channel to 
channel voltage) or with the signals in phase? 

I believe worst case is appropriate, but might not be quite in the general 
spirit of the annex; it would be interesting to know how this gets tested in 
practice.  

Thanks
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Re: [PSES] Flame testing lab

[Chris]

 I have used MET/Eurofins lab for our UL94V-0 Flammability 
tests.regardsChristopher


On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:03:37 PM PDT, Amund Westin 
 wrote:  
 
 We have some pieces of plastic that need to be tested, if they are 
UL94V-0 compliant.

Anyone who knows European labs that deliver such service?



BR
Amund


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Re: [PSES] EU Authorized Representative AR)

[Chris Wordley]

Hi Steve

‘authorised representative’ means any natural or legal person established 
within the Union who has received a written mandate from a manufacturer to act 
on its behalf in relation to specified tasks with regard to the manufacturer's 
obligations under the relevant Union harmonisation legislation or under the 
requirements of this Regulation. 
[from Regulation (EU) 2019/1020]

An AR based in Great Britain is therefore not acceptable. An AR based in 
Northern Ireland would be acceptable, since it's part of the EU single market. 

Best Regards
Chris 

> On 15 Aug 2023, at 16:52, Steve Brody  wrote:
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> Is it correct that an AR on an EU DoC cannot be based in the UK, even though 
> the UK is still accepting EU DoCs, and therefore EU ARs?
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Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] User manual by accompanying documents or via affixed QR

[Chris]

 Amund,We at Tarana Wireless started using QR code to get access to latest user 
guide info to install and other relevant info.No issues so far with this 
process in place.Christopher

On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 09:01:41 AM PDT, Amund Westin 
 wrote:  
 
 
Can’t find info about this in the Blue Guide

Fra: Amund Westin 
Sendt: 13. august 2023 17:57
Til: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Emne: [PSES] User manual by accompanying documents or via affixed QR

  

To avoid a lot of paper use, it is possible to leave a short instruction with 
the product to enter a web site or use affixed QR code (on product) to get 
access to the User manual and other relevant documentation?

Should such a symbol Link https://www.iso.org/obp/ui#iso:grs:7000:3500  also be 
attached when using QR code?

  

Best regards 

Amund

  

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[PSES] PSES] Friday Question - Line Cords in China

[Chris]

 It maybe cheaper/less custom issues if local distributor can purchase line 
cord from the local market. Power supply should be certified for the country it 
is used in.
Yes Brazil and South Africa line chord certification Leadtime are long and 
costly.
Australia also has some conditions for shipping power supply with equipment.
Christopher

On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 07:00:54 AM PDT, Douglas Powell 
 wrote:  
 
 All,
I was talking with a client recently about shipping line cords to various 
countries around the world and how some do not allow the incorrect cords within 
a shipment while others do. Brazil, as far as I know, does not permit incorrect 
cordage. Argentina, Australia, and China (PRC) are all mutually exclusive. 
South Africa and India are mutually exclusive. Japan, Taiwan, and the United 
States are all mutually exclusive. If not prohibited, it is frequently cheaper 
to include multiple cords rather than create multiple regional SKUs when 
products are in low-volume production.
That said, apparently the China market often likes to use US-style receptacles 
(types A or B), even though they use 220 V (). The US-style plug has better 
density (twice as many receptacles in the same space as the China receptacle 
(Type C, or I ?), and with the US receptacles, there are many more aftermarket 
cable options available.  So I suppose that's my question: "Is this usage 
typical in China?"
Of course, the big issue is that the US plug is not rated for the higher 
voltages, even though historically some people may say it works.  I even fouind 
a website that shows this, 
https://www.travelchinaguide.com/essential/electricity.htm

I believe it is critical for manufacturers to not condone the use of the US 
plug in this manner, which appears to be common practice. And I usually advise 
that this type of usage should never be described, recommended, or mentioned in 
any manuals, brochures, or other written material produced by a company, either 
externally or internally. If anyone is injured and an investigation reveals 
agreement with this usage, the company may be held liable.
Thoughts??
-Doug


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[PSES] NRTL for PCIE cards?

[Chris Wordley]

Hi Everyone 

From a previous post, I see that in principle OSHA requires any electrical 
product being used in the workplace to be tested and certified by an NRTL, and 
that there's no lower voltage or power limit.  

The product in question is a PCIE card for fitting inside a computer of some 
sort. Its application is very much a professional one, so the host computers 
will be found in a US workplace. The PCIE card has no external interfaces, just 
the PCIE (12V and 3.3V) connection. 

Two questions:

1) Does the PCIE card need NRTL certification? 

2) Are similar cards actually NRTL certified in practice (I’m hoping those of 
you located stateside can chime in)?


Best Regards

Chris 

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[PSES] Looking for a MX-2100 used shielded room 8ft x 10ft x 8ft

[Chris]

Folks,
if anyone of you know of a used shielded room for sale in CA do let me know.
we are planning to do some RF testing in house.
Thanks in advance
regards
Christopher Saleem590 Alder driveMilpitas, CA 95035

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[PSES] Saudi Arabia Wifi certification for 5GHz band is free

[Chris]

 Here is some good homologation/certification news.
We recently received Free wifi certification for 5GHz product with TX power 
30dbm for KSA. No SASO certificate requirements for KSA was required.
https://ers.citc.gov.sa/english/workspace/pages/citclogin.aspx


just enroll your company on their site and submit your test reports and 
supporting documents.

UAE (TDRA)also has similar certification process costing $200 per product and 
no sample request. Certificate is good for 3 years.
http://www.tdra.gov.ae



   Regards

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[PSES] Exhibits for 731 filing 6SD and 6FX devices require a geolocation

[Chris]

RF compliance Folks,
I have some questions regarding new certification process for 6SD and 6FX 
devices.
In exhibits for 731 filing 6SD and 6FX devices require ageolocation 
Justification Report.
 If applicable, aGeolocation Accuracy after Power Cycle description.
How do we provide an Attestation confirming the locationuncertainty with a 95% 
confidence level?

Manufacturers need A justification report is required tosupport that devices 
meet the location uncertainty with a confidence level of95%.

This document must demonstrate the testing method and calculationsused to 
justify the location uncertainty with 95% confidence level claim, e.g.,via 
testing and statistical data.

Geolocation Accuracy After a Power Cycle is the secondrequirement by FCC.

If any test lab or compliance consultants have demonstrated Geolocationto FCC 
and the procedure was accepted can contact me offline.
These are new rules with less guidance provided in (987594U-NII 6 GHz devices 
5.925-7.125 GHz DR02-45002)
Thanks In advance.
ChristopherTarana Wireless, Inc.Milpitas, CA 95035


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Re: [PSES] Good Morning - bad breakup?

[Chris Brown]

Adding my $0.04 (adjusted for inflation!)

I doubt my employer knows what the IEEE EMC Society is, let alone ‘cares’ about 
it.  I find employers are more concerned with membership to internal committees 
for the betterment of the business.  Take for example the Halloween Decoration 
Committee.  



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Subject: Re: [PSES] Good Morning - bad breakup?

Did any employer care that you were a member of the IEEE EMC Society? I mean 
before you were a president and active? Even then, wasn’t it more on you to 
ensure your employer would back you up on all the travel and time before you 
could make commitments?

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Subject: Re: [PSES] Good Morning - bad breakup?

Patrick,

I let my iNARTE certification end the end of 2022.  I had held this 
certification since it was created.  Never once did an employer seem to care 
about it.  Personal experience.  Take it for what it is worth.

Ghery S. Pettit


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So,  it's true!



With most breakups, parties hire lawyers and split assets.  Since I'm both an 
iNARTE Certified EMC Engineer and Member IEEE EMC Society, I wonder which party 
will claim me?  ;-)



On the serious side, I wonder if employers will continue to value either 
certificate.  Did they ever?




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[PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] IEC 62368-1 ES3/PS3 cold impact test temperature

[Chris]

 Thank you Ryan Jazz and John Woodgate.
Christopher



On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 02:02:32 PM PDT, Ryan Jazz 
 wrote: 
Hello Chris,
 
“…the test is carried out at ambient temperature equal to the minimum ambient 
temperature specified by the manufacturer or -33°C if no minimum ambient 
temperature is specified, for 24 h.”
 
  
 
Ryan Jayasinghe
 
Regulatory Compliance Engineer
 
rjayasin...@line6.com
 
  
 
"After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music" - Aldous 
Huxley
 
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From: Chris <0133def26cf0-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2022 8:56 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] IEC 62368-1 ES3/PS3 cold impact test temperature
 
  
 
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Thanks Don.
 
  
 
Do you know at what temperature is the cold impact test done?
 
  
 
Christopher
 
  
 
  
 
On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 05:04:33 AM PDT, Don Gies  
wrote:

Christopher,
 
Per Annex Y.6, you have to consider performing the cold impact tests on 
polymeric outdoor enclosures housing class 3 energy sources.
 
Best regards,

| 
Don Gies
  |

 
  
 
 
 
Folks,
 
 
 
When do we need to do IEC 62368-1 ES3/PS3 cold impact test as per IEC 62368-1 
Third edition.
 
 
 
I was told if EUT is powered by ES3/PS3 then it is required.
 
 
 
any insight will be helpful
 
 
 
Thanks in advance
 
 
 
Christopher
  

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Re: [PSES] IEC 62368-1 ES3/PS3 cold impact test temperature

[Chris]

 Thanks Don.
Do you know at what temperature is the cold impact test done?
Christopher

On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 05:04:33 AM PDT, Don Gies 
 wrote:  
 
 
Christopher,
 
  
 
Per Annex Y.6, you have to consider performing the cold impact tests on 
polymeric outdoor enclosures housing class 3 energy sources.
 
  
 
Best regards,
 
  
 
| 
Don Gies
  |


  
 
  
 


 
 
 
Folks,
 
  
 
When do we need to do IEC 62368-1 ES3/PS3 cold impact test as per IEC 62368-1 
Third edition.
 
  
 
I was told if EUT is powered by ES3/PS3 then it is required.
 
  
 
any insight will be helpful
 
  
 
Thanks in advance
 
  
 
Christopher
 
  
 


   

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[PSES] IEC 62368-1 ES3/PS3 cold impact test

[Chris]

Folks,
When do we need to do IEC 62368-1 ES3/PS3 cold impact test as per IEC 62368-1 
Third edition.
I was told if EUT is powered by ES3/PS3 then it is required.
any insight will be helpful
Thanks in advance
Christopher

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[PSES] Cybersecurity? for ANATEL

[Chris]

 I was in Brazil recently for certification of our product and filled out 
"COMPLIANCE WITH CYBER SECURITY FOR TELECOMMUNICATIONS EQUIPMENT DECLARATION" 
for Anatel Cybersecurity with included 43 questions in Portugues.
Many more questions than FCC Cybersecurity document. I was told that ANATEL was 
planning to add 50 more questions.
ANATEL follows FCC Part 15E limits with in country testing for band 
5725-5850MHz.
Many countries are now adding Cybersecurity to their application process.
rgards
Christopher Saleem



On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 10:26:22 AM PDT, David Huff 
 wrote:  
 Note, it is not just the EU, I am seeing it as a requirement for Radio Device 
certification from ANATEL (Brazil) ANATEL Act No. 77 of January 5, 2021.
 
<https://www.ul.com/news/anatel-act-no-772021-instructions-regarding-cybersecurity-rules>
 
  
 
I would be willing to bet the FCC will come along with something similar soon.
 
Thanks,
 
David
 
Vermeer compliance / ATS
 
From: Douglas E Powell  
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2022 3:29 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Cybersecurity?
 
 Interesting,  and I've seen some parallels in the RED directive.  Using Risk 
Analysis terminology, I've been thinking about how to mitigate the problem.  

  
 
-Doug
 
  
 
Douglas E Powell


 
Laporte, Colorado USA
 
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On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 2:24 PM Chris Brown 
<1ca53b7356f5-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> wrote:
 

Doug,
 
Yes, the EU has a new cybersecurity requirement for IoT devices (WiFi, 
Bluetooth, etc.) – basically anything wireless.  This is probably why you are 
being peppered with emails.
 
I would expect to see a lot more about this topic as implementation dates get 
closer.
 
Chris
 

Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 4:10 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Cybersecurity?
 
 
 
All,

In the last few months, I've received a number of inquiries from recruiters 
thinking I have an interest in Cybersecurity.  Many of these come to me via 
LinkedIn and I realize the word "compliance" shows up in many disciplines such 
as legal, financial, medical, etc.  But now it seems all the recent hype into 
Cybersecurity and I.T. Compliance has created a fair bit of "noise"; and in my 
case as it is never related to EMC or Product Safety.  Although I suppose 
Regulatory Compliance could be construed...

I am curious to know if others on this forum are seeing a similar increase in 
inquiries, or is it just me?

Thanks,  Doug
 
 
 
Douglas E Powell
 
Laporte, Colorado USA
 
doug...@gmail.com

  

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Re: [PSES] Cybersecurity?

[Chris Brown]

Doug,

Yes, the EU has a new cybersecurity requirement for IoT devices (WiFi, 
Bluetooth, etc.) - basically anything wireless.  This is probably why you are 
being peppered with emails.

I would expect to see a lot more about this topic as implementation dates get 
closer.

Chris


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Subject: [PSES] Cybersecurity?

All,

In the last few months, I've received a number of inquiries from recruiters 
thinking I have an interest in Cybersecurity.  Many of these come to me via 
LinkedIn and I realize the word "compliance" shows up in many disciplines such 
as legal, financial, medical, etc.  But now it seems all the recent hype into 
Cybersecurity and I.T. Compliance has created a fair bit of "noise"; and in my 
case as it is never related to EMC or Product Safety.  Although I suppose 
Regulatory Compliance could be construed...

I am curious to know if others on this forum are seeing a similar increase in 
inquiries, or is it just me?

Thanks,  Doug

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[PSES] Automotive Accessories

[Chris Wordley]

Hi All

I’m wanting to understand requirements, standards and if any certification is 
needed for two aftermarket electrical/electronic products used in conjunction 
with breakdown vehicles in the USA, Canada and Australia. 

One product plugs in to the vehicle trailer socket and is used when the vehicle 
is in motion; the other product is built into the breakdown vehicle but is only 
used / powered when it is parked. 

I’m aware of FCC / ISED / RCM, and also UNECE Reg. 10 which has relevance in 
Europe but I’m not sure if elsewhere. It's the ‘automotive’ regulatory aspects 
that I’m particularly looking for help with. Any input appreciated. 


Best Regards

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Re: [PSES] Country Requirements -EMC Safety

[Chris]

 Ryan,
I suggest to list the countries that you need info about regulatory compliance 
and take that list to an NRTL test lab and open a PO for the work they will get 
the latest information.
Working for a manufacturer I did this process a few years ago and need to do it 
again as rules keep changing and this critical info is not free.
There some senior consultants on this forum who can also help you for a small 
fee.
Good luck and the best.
Christopher

On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 12:08:10 PM PDT, Ryan Jazz 
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Dear Members,
 
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Re: [PSES] EU Packaging Directive 97/129/EC: when does it become mandatory?

[Chris Brown]

I am also interested in the answer to this question...

With the requirements in France, Italy, and seemingly other EU/UK countries - 
product packaging and labels are going to be a dog's breakfast!

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Subject: [PSES] EU Packaging Directive 97/129/EC: when does it become mandatory?

Greetings All,

In regards to the EU Packaging Directive 97/129/EC, Italy has adopted the 
directive, but the rest of the EU has not. Reading the directive it is 
currently voluntary. However, is the directive going to be mandatory any time 
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[PSES] Temporary Vacancy

[Chris Wordley]

A client of ours is looking to fill a temporary vacancy. They are a start-up 
operation specialising in a particular type of electromechanical test equipment.

The basic job offering is as follows:

• Experienced Compliance Engineer
• Primary specialisms: PED/PE(S)D, EHEDG, CE/UK markings
• Must be food & beverage industry “savvy”
• Contract role
• 4-6 months’ duration
• £60K equivalent - open to negotiation
• Remote role, but need to visit Bedford (UK) office 2-days/week
• Expenses paid, at cost
• Start date: as soon as possible
• Will be working closely with Conformance as your external expert 
resource

We have a job description that we can send to anyone who is interested in this 
position. 

Thanks and regards

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[PSES] Tarana Wireless Compliance engineer position open

[Chris]

We are growing our team and are looking for a experienced compliance test 
engineer to help us with the certification of our wireless products.


Required Skills And Experience
   
   - BSc/MSc or an equivalent technical degree
   - 2-5 years of experience in Regulatory Compliance
   - Experience with EMC, RF, and Safety certification/testing (IEC 62368-1)
   - Detailed operating knowledge of spectrum analyzers, signal generators and 
network analyzers, EMC absorbers, debugging etc.
   - Familiarity with FCC, IC, CE, UL, CB and other global regulatory standards
   - Ability to interpret technical standards and apply into practice
   - Experience with EU directives, EN standards/certificate process
   - Knowledge of some of the following standards: FCC 47 CFR Part 15b, ANSI 
C63.4; ICES-003; CISPR 32; EN 301 489-1; EN 62368-1
   - RF Experience in FCC 15E or Part 96 is a plus
   - Knowledge of FCC licensed bands test requirements is a plus
   - Experience on international type approvals, Homologation is a plus
   - Ability to help out with other lab activities, calibrating and building 
fixtures
   - Experience in wireless manufacturing environment
If you are interested in this position do send me your resume. Regulatory 
compliance lab experience is a plus.
We prefer local candidates with authorization to work in US/US citizens/GC 
holders.   
Regards
Christopher SaleemSenior Regulatory Compliance Manager590 Alder Drive, 
Milpitas, CA 95035email: csal...@taranawireless.com

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[PSES] Job Opening - Product Compliance Administrator

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StarTech.com is hiring a Product Compliance Administrator.  Visit the 
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If you are interested, or have any questions - please let me know.

Chris


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Re: [PSES] equipment without CE marked not sold since more than 10 years

[Chris Wordley]

Hi Daniel

If a product that is within scope of CE-marking legislation is placed on the EU 
market, then it needs to be CE marked. Remember that the concept of placing on 
the market relates to each individual item, not to a type or series. 

As you say, the 10 years relates to the length of time that records need to be 
kept. For example, if you start marketing a particular product model this year 
and do so until 2027, then you will need to keep records such as the technical 
file until 2037. 

Regards
Chris 

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> mark by the manufacturer.
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Re: [PSES] Retrofit kits

[Chris Brown]


Gary,

The LED driver (assuming AC-to-DC) should be approved; however, the kit does 
not need to be certified.  The field inspection will take into consideration 
the LED driver along with the rest of the equipment.

I think you should be good to go!

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To: Chris Brown ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] Retrofit kits

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the feedback.  I am asking if a retrofit kit can/should be 
evaluated/certified to 62368.  And for a twist, the product it goes into may 
not have NRTL approval when it leaves the factory and will need to be field 
evaluated after the kit is installed.

Cheers,
Gary


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Subject: RE: [PSES] Retrofit kits


Hello Gary,

Can you please clarify your first question?  Are you asking if the retrofit 
kits should be evaluated/certified to 62368, or, if a product that has been 
evaluated/certified to 62368 can incorporate a retrofit kit?

For your second question, most will suggest that a qualified/trained person 
should conduct the retrofit kit installation; however, it is likely that the 
AHJ (Authority Having Jurisdiction) will require an inspection of the equipment 
once the work is completed.  Usually, this can be accomplished via 'Special 
Inspection' with an accredited body (UL, CSA, etc...)

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From: Gary Tornquist <05big...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 11:53 PM
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Subject: [PSES] Retrofit kits

Hello Experts,
I am trying to understand the requirements around UL Listed retrofit kits 
intended for installation in the field.  The only ones I am aware of are for 
upgrading light fixtures from older technologies to LED's.  There are several 
flavors such as Self-ballasted LED Type Lamp category (OOLV) and Sign 
Conversions, Retrofit (UYWU).  

Can retrofit kits be listed for IT products examined to UL62368?  Does it help 
if the installation is only done by trained personnel?  

Any advice is appreciated.

Cheers,
Gary Tornquist
Product Safety Consulting

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Re: [PSES] Retrofit kits

[Chris Brown]


Hello Gary,

Can you please clarify your first question?  Are you asking if the retrofit 
kits should be evaluated/certified to 62368, or, if a product that has been 
evaluated/certified to 62368 can incorporate a retrofit kit?

For your second question, most will suggest that a qualified/trained person 
should conduct the retrofit kit installation; however, it is likely that the 
AHJ (Authority Having Jurisdiction) will require an inspection of the equipment 
once the work is completed.  Usually, this can be accomplished via 'Special 
Inspection' with an accredited body (UL, CSA, etc...)

Chris





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From: Gary Tornquist <05big...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 11:53 PM
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Subject: [PSES] Retrofit kits

Hello Experts,
I am trying to understand the requirements around UL Listed retrofit kits 
intended for installation in the field.  The only ones I am aware of are for 
upgrading light fixtures from older technologies to LED's.  There are several 
flavors such as Self-ballasted LED Type Lamp category (OOLV) and Sign 
Conversions, Retrofit (UYWU).  

Can retrofit kits be listed for IT products examined to UL62368?  Does it help 
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Any advice is appreciated.

Cheers,
Gary Tornquist
Product Safety Consulting

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Re: [PSES] RoHS3 Inquiry Allowable Content

[Chris Wordley]

Hi Chris

Firstly, ‘RoHS2’ and ‘RoHS3’ means different things to different people, so it 
is probably best to refer to the specific legislation e.g. EU Directive 
2011/65/EU. 

Under this Directive, the concentration limits for the 4 phthalates (that were 
added by Delegated Directive (EU) 2015/863) is 0.1% by weight in each 
homogeneous material, however small. 

Chris 


> On 3 Mar 2022, at 14:26, Chris Willette 
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> Hi 
>  
> Within RoHS3 is there allowable tolerance content for the 4 new substances, 
> eg. It is less than 2 grams it is not applicable?
>  
> Have a connector which is RoHS2 compliance it does not meet RoHs3, because of 
> a very small O-ring around
> the connector’s perimeter.  Within RoHS3 is there an allowable content for a 
> very small piece or is it zero tolerance?
>  
> I  believe RoHS3 has zero tolerance other than the % listed, but was curious 
> if others had a similar situation
> where a very small piece of a component didn’t meet RoHS3 but majority of 
> component met RoHS3?  
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[PSES] RoHS3 Inquiry Allowable Content

[Chris Willette]

Hi

Within RoHS3 is there allowable tolerance content for the 4 new substances, eg. 
It is less than 2 grams it is not applicable?

Have a connector which is RoHS2 compliance it does not meet RoHs3, because of a 
very small O-ring around
the connector's perimeter.  Within RoHS3 is there an allowable content for a 
very small piece or is it zero tolerance?

I  believe RoHS3 has zero tolerance other than the % listed, but was curious if 
others had a similar situation
where a very small piece of a component didn't meet RoHS3 but majority of 
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[PSES] Hiring Compliance engineer

[Chris]

folks,
We are growing our Compliance team and are looking for a compliance test 
engineer to help us with thecertification of our wireless products.

 

JobResponsibilities:

·Learn how tooperate Tarana’s equipment and drive in-house execution of 
test plans of ourproducts

·Methodicallyconduct the in-house tests, compare against the emission 
limits, and documenttest results for internal review

·Work closely andcoordinate compliance activities with the compliance 
manager, system engineers,HW engineer, program managers and the operations team

·Prepare DUT forformal certification at an outside certification lab

·Help with DoC andpaperwork submission / letters / BOM / block diagrams 
to the TCB, FCC orexternal labs

 

RequiredSkills And Experience:

·Must have AS/BS orequivalent technical degree

·1-2 years ofexperience in Regulatory Compliance

·Experience withEMC, RF, and safety certification/testing

·Detailed operatingknowledge of spectrum analyzers, signal generators 
and network analyzers

·Familiarity withFCC, IC, CE, UL, CB and other global regulatory 
standards

·Experience with EUdirectives, EN standards/certificate process

·Knowledge of someof the following standards: FCC 47 CFR Part 15b, ANSI 
C63.4; ICES-003; CISPR32; EN 301 489-1; EN 62368-1

·RF Experience inFCC 15E is a plus

·Knowledge of FCClicensed bands test requirements is a plus

·Ability to help outwith other lab activities, calibrating and building 
fixtures

 

Theideal candidate should have the following qualities:

·Good communicationskills and ability to interface with cross 
functional teams, vendors and thirdparty test labs

·Self-starter,positive attitude, detail oriented, organized and 
responsible

·Sense of urgency toget required regulatory certification

 
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Re: [PSES] Nyloc Nuts

[Chris Wordley]

Ted, John

Thanks for your input.

Chris

> On 15 Nov 2021, at 14:33, John Woodgate  wrote:
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> The nylon is under hoop stress, causing friction with the stud. Unless it 
> softens due to temperature, it remains effective. However, if there is any 
> doubt, an all-metal version is available. Do a Web search for 'all-metal 
> friction nuts'.
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> On 2021-11-15 14:06, Chris Wordley wrote:
>> Hello
>> 
>> We sometimes come across products that employ a Nyloc nut as the sole means 
>> of securing (preventing accidental loosening of) a protective earth 
>> connection on a threaded stud. 
>> 
>> I’ve heard various views on the acceptability of this type of construction - 
>> some consider it OK provided the temperature is not high enough to cause the 
>> nylon insert to soften, others think that a separate spring/serrated washer 
>> is required since the nylon cannot be depended on in the longer term. 
>> 
>> I’d be interested to hear the views of others, particularly any CB or 
>> similar labs. I failed to uncover any IECEE decisions on this subject. 
>> 
>> Best Regards
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[PSES] Nyloc Nuts

[Chris Wordley]

Hello

We sometimes come across products that employ a Nyloc nut as the sole means of 
securing (preventing accidental loosening of) a protective earth connection on 
a threaded stud. 

I’ve heard various views on the acceptability of this type of construction - 
some consider it OK provided the temperature is not high enough to cause the 
nylon insert to soften, others think that a separate spring/serrated washer is 
required since the nylon cannot be depended on in the longer term. 

I’d be interested to hear the views of others, particularly any CB or similar 
labs. I failed to uncover any IECEE decisions on this subject. 

Best Regards

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[PSES] Director of Regulatory Affairs open position in Milpitas CA

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Compliance Friends,
This is a very exciting time to join the Tarana Wireless family. Years of R 
and prototyping have led to the successful commercial release of our G1 
products built with custom in-house designed ASICs and RFICs. Our portfolio 
includes a number of hardware and system variants spanning a range of operating 
frequencies and node types. We are seeing a strong appetite for our products 
worldwide and are excited to be expanding our regulatory team.

The Director of Regulatory Affairs will play an integral role in aligning the 
company's product roadmap with global regulatory requirements and international 
standards.KNOWLEDGE, SKILLS AND ABILITIES:• Develop the company's regulatory 
strategy in coordination with the product roadmap• Establish a detailed process 
to track regulatory compliance activities, dependencies, and certification 
schedules• Be the point of contact to interface with program management, 
operations, sales and marketing teams• Oversee and manage the certification 
process from...

You can visit our Tarana Wireless career page on line. 
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If you have any questions about this position do let me know, you can send me 
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Candidates who are in USA will be preferred at this time.

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Re: [PSES] BREXIT - UK Designated Standards

[Chris Wordley]

Hi Carl

In the lead up to Brexit it was indeed suggested that BS versions would be 
required for the UK.

As you note, the actual situation is that the UK government has published lists 
of designated standards, which overwhelmingly cite the EN version so these are 
the versions to use. 

At the start of the year the UK designated standards lists and the EU 
harmonised standards lists were the same, but as the EU and UK now have 
separate processes for determining which standards to publish as harmonised / 
designated standards, some differences are starting to emerge e.g. the EU 
updated the HS list for RED last month, the UK’s list has not changed in the 
last 8 months. 

Best Regards

Chris 

> On 8 Aug 2021, at 22:52, Carl Newton  wrote:
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> I'm seeing conflicting information as to whether the UK Declaration of 
> Conformity "Designated Standards" should  be the "BS" versions or the "EN" 
> versions.  Every source that I've seen (including very reputable sources) has 
> stated that the BS version should be cited.  However, I'm seeing that the 
> "EN" versions are being listed as the Designated Standards at the GOV.UK web 
> site.  The following link references the EMC standards for this example:
> 
> https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/designated-standards-emc 
> <https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/designated-standards-emc>
> It seems pretty clear to me that for now and the foreseeable future that the 
> European Norm "EN" versions are also the UK Designated Standards.  But I'm 
> looking for safety in numbers here.
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[PSES] Local Bay Area test lab for RF certification NOM-208

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Folks,
I am looking for a local lab in Bay Area to test our AP product operating in 
5725-850MHz.
Any help in this regard is appreciated.
I want to avoid sending our product to Mexico for testing.
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[PSES] Compliance engineer with 1-2 years experience can also apply, position is in Bay Area

[Chris]

 
We are growing our team at Tarana Wireless and are looking for a compliance 
test engineer to help us with the certification of our licensed and unlicensed 
wireless products.

   
https://taranawireless.applytojob.com/apply/IEFS3nTBjE/Compliance-Test-Engineer

If you like to learn wireless testing and work with our RF design engineers 
this may be a place for you. We design our own RF chip set and our technology 
is one of a kind in Wireless.
Feel free to review our products on line.
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[PSES] Regulatory Compliance Specialist required with 2-3 years FCC experience

[Chris]

Folks,
We at Tarana Wireless, in Milpitas, CA are looking for a Regulatory Compliance 
Specialist/Technician with 2-3 years experience in FCC part 15B and 15E 
testing. We can train the right candidate to understand our in house pretesting 
process.
This early position has not be up on our URL.
If you are interested please email your resume to.
email: csal...@taranawireless.com
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[PSES] Shipping samples to UK

[Chris]

Folks,We would like to ship some non revenue samples to BT in UK.Frequency 
C-band 3.8-4.2 GHz. Does UK custom allow import of non revenue Access Point 
samples for evaluation.
Any info will help as UK rules are different compared to Europe.
Thanks in advance
Christopher

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Re: [PSES] EU Authorized Representative service for Market Surveillance Regulation (EU) 2019/1020

[Chris]

 My previous employer in 2017 used a company in Netherlands who acted as EU rep.
They charged us $15k a month retainer fees.
This is not an easy one as it involves paper work between both legal teams.
Christopher

On Thursday, May 6, 2021, 08:37:14 AM PDT, Carl Newton  
wrote:  
 
   
Can anyone in the group offer one or more references for an Authorized 
Representative service within the EU that will satisfy the requirements 
mandated within Market Surveillance Regulation (EU) 2019/1020?  This comes into 
effect on July 16.  Please feel free to contact me directly at the CC email 
address above if you prefer.
 
 
Thanks very much,
 
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[PSES] wifi equipment shipped to Europe

[Chris]

Folks,
I have a basic question
how others companies are certifying 5GHz WiFi products in Europe that are wider 
than 20MHz? 

Are all 5GHz Wifi devices in Europe only 20 MHz? I don't think so.
Thanks for you help in advance.
Christopher


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Re: [PSES] UKCA MACHINERY-Address of technical file owner

[Chris Wordley]

Hi Daniel

The Product Safety and Metrology etc. (Amendment etc.) (EU Exit) Regulations 
2019 amend the Supply of Machinery (Safety) Regulations 2008 as follows:

Amendment to Schedule 2 Part 2 Annex II

24.—(1) Schedule 2 Part 2 Annex II (Declarations) is amended as follows.
(2) In Section 1 Part A (EC Declaration of conformity of the machinery)—
(a) in the heading and in the third paragraph omit “EC”;
(b) in point 2 omit “, who must be established in an EEA state”;

Point (b) removes the obligation for the person who is authorised to compile 
the technical file to be based in Europe, but does not replace it with an 
obligation for them to be based in the UK. So as things stand at present, they 
could be located anywhere, world wide. It’s not clear whether this is an 
oversight by the UK Government when they drafted the amending Regulations or if 
it was intentional. 


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> On 15 Apr 2021, at 08:04, Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP) 
> <123de38bd494-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> wrote:
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> Good morning everybody
> I have a question related to information of person to contact for technical 
> file for equipment placed in UK according to Supply of Machinery (Safety) 
> Regulations 2008 that needs to be indicated in the UK DoC
> If the UK legislation is similar to Machinery Directive, this person should 
> be in the UK. But I have found the following link that indicates that can be 
> everywhere
>  
> Can someone confirm the legislation link behind this ?
> Thank you for your support!
>  
> https://www.machinebuilding.net/brexit-implications-for-machine-builders 
> <https://www.machinebuilding.net/brexit-implications-for-machine-builders>
> “Whereas CE marking requires a person established in the EEA to be named on 
> the DoC or DoI, there is no such requirement in the draft ‘Mega SI’ 
> (statutory instrument) that is converting much EU law into UK law 
> post-Brexit; in fact, the person authorised to compile the technical file can 
> be anywhere in the world. The technical file must, however, be in English”
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>  
> Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
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Re: [PSES] Adaptivity test for 5GHz access point

[Chris]

 Thank You Charlie.Christopher
On Thursday, March 25, 2021, 12:45:32 PM PDT, Charlie Blackham 
 wrote:  
 
 
Chris
 
EN 302 502 doesn’t require LBT – but is for Broadband Fixed Wireless Access 
(this doesn’t have to be “WiFi”, but often is)
 
  
 
Best regards
 
Charlie
 
  
 
Charlie Blackham
 
Sulis Consultants Ltd
 
Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317
 
Web:https://sulisconsultants.com/ 
 
Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247
 
  
 
From: Chris 
Sent: 25 March 2021 19:27
To: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org; Charlie Blackham 
Subject: Re: [PSES] Adaptivity test for 5GHz access point
 
  
 
Charlie,
 
  
 
Yes we have both Master and slave devices.
 
  
 
How about EN 302 502 does it require LBT?
 
  
 
mostly we are in 5725-5850 MHz band due to higher EIRP.
 
  
 
Regards
 
  
 
Christopher
 
  
 
  
 
On Thursday, March 25, 2021, 12:17:52 PM PDT, Charlie Blackham 
 wrote:
 
  
 
  
 
Christopher
 
 
 
EN 301 893 requires LBT to meet the mandatory Adaptivity clause
 
I’m assuming that you comply with DFS Slave only, as DFS master requires 
ability to detect, so is a form of LBT.
 
I think the only bit of 5 GHz spectrum available to you is 5725-5875 MHz at 25 
mW under EN 300 440. Some European countries allow higher powers in this band, 
such as 200 mW, but that’s on a country by country basis
 
 
 
Best regards
 
Charlie
 
 
 
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Sulis Consultants Ltd
 
Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317
 
Web:https://sulisconsultants.com/
 
Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247
 
From: Chris <0133def26cf0-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org>
Sent: 25 March 2021 17:40
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Adaptivity test for 5GHz access point
 
 
 
Folks,

I have a 5GHz Wifi product that does not meet LBT conformanence.

What ETSI certification can I pursue?

Can we use EN 301 893 or EN 302 502 standards.

We do however meet DFS requirements.

Thank you for your feedback in advance.
 
 
 
Regards
 
 
 
Christopher
  

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Re: [PSES] Withdrawal of EN 55024:2010

[Chris Brown]

Thank you Charlie!  This answers my question very well.

Yes, 60950-1 to 62368-1 has been an 'adventure'.

Chris





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From: Charlie Blackham 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 3:30 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Withdrawal of EN 55024:2010

Chris

EU Directives don't require assessing (to new standards) to "remain compliant"  
- they require re-assessing to maintain a "Presumption of Conformity".
There is no grandfathering under CE marking as standards are only every 
optional (though that's a narrow technicality to sit on for some directives)

Market enforcement and customers expect Harmonised Standards to be applied, and 
that's the recommended approach.
Depending on the product, and how it was configured and monitored when tested 
against EN 55024, you may find that only partial re-testing is required. This 
is much more straightforward for the transition from 55024 to 55035 than for 
60950-1 to 62368-1

Best regards
Charlie

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Sent: 25 March 2021 19:20
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: [PSES] Withdrawal of EN 55024:2010

FORWARD:
In an Implementing Decision (EU) 2021/455 issued in mid-March, the Commission 
moved to replace the 2010 edition of EN 55024, Electromagnetic compatibility - 
Product family standard for audio, video, audio-visual and entertainment 
lighting control apparatus for professional use - Part 2: Immunity, with EN 
55035: 2017, Electromagnetic compatibility of multimedia equipment - Immunity 
requirements.  The date of withdrawal for EN 55024:2010 is mid-September 2022.

QUESTION:
Will this withdrawal be similar to the withdrawal of EN 60950-1, where models 
compliant with EN 60950-1 had to be assessed to EN 62368-1 in-order-to remain 
compliant?
Or, will the change to EN 55035:2017 allow existing models to be 
"grandfathered" (i.e., models assessed to EN 55024:2010 not required to be 
assessed to the new harmonized standard EN 55035:2017)?

Thanks,
Chris


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Re: [PSES] Adaptivity test for 5GHz access point

[Chris]

 Charlie,
Yes we have both Master and slave devices.
How about EN 302 502 does it require LBT?
mostly we are in 5725-5850 MHz band due to higher EIRP.
Regards
Christopher

On Thursday, March 25, 2021, 12:17:52 PM PDT, Charlie Blackham 
 wrote:  
 
 
Christopher
 
  
 
EN 301 893 requires LBT to meet the mandatory Adaptivity clause
 
I’m assuming that you comply with DFS Slave only, as DFS master requires 
ability to detect, so is a form of LBT.
 
I think the only bit of 5 GHz spectrum available to you is 5725-5875 MHz at 25 
mW under EN 300 440. Some European countries allow higher powers in this band, 
such as 200 mW, but that’s on a country by country basis
 
  
 
Best regards
 
Charlie
 
  
 
Charlie Blackham
 
Sulis Consultants Ltd
 
Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317
 
Web:https://sulisconsultants.com/ 
 
Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247
 
  
 
From: Chris <0133def26cf0-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org>
Sent: 25 March 2021 17:40
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Adaptivity test for 5GHz access point
 
  
 
Folks,
 
  
 
I have a 5GHz Wifi product that does not meet LBT conformanence.
 
  
 
What ETSI certification can I pursue?
 
  
 
Can we use EN 301 893 or EN 302 502 standards.
 
  
 
We do however meet DFS requirements.
 
  
 
Thank you for your feedback in advance.
 
  
 
Regards
 
  
 
Christopher
 
  
 
  
 
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[PSES] Withdrawal of EN 55024:2010

[Chris Brown]

FORWARD:
In an Implementing Decision (EU) 2021/455 issued in mid-March, the Commission 
moved to replace the 2010 edition of EN 55024, Electromagnetic compatibility - 
Product family standard for audio, video, audio-visual and entertainment 
lighting control apparatus for professional use - Part 2: Immunity, with EN 
55035: 2017, Electromagnetic compatibility of multimedia equipment - Immunity 
requirements.  The date of withdrawal for EN 55024:2010 is mid-September 2022.

QUESTION:
Will this withdrawal be similar to the withdrawal of EN 60950-1, where models 
compliant with EN 60950-1 had to be assessed to EN 62368-1 in-order-to remain 
compliant?
Or, will the change to EN 55035:2017 allow existing models to be 
"grandfathered" (i.e., models assessed to EN 55024:2010 not required to be 
assessed to the new harmonized standard EN 55035:2017)?

Thanks,
Chris


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[PSES] Adaptivity test for 5GHz access point

[Chris]

Folks,
I have a 5GHz Wifi product that does not meet LBT conformanence.
What ETSI certification can I pursue?
Can we use EN 301 893 or EN 302 502 standards.
We do however meet DFS requirements.
Thank you for your feedback in advance.
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[PSES] EMC emission Class A versus Class B

[Chris Wordley]

All

I’d be interested to hear views on the use of Class A EMC emission limits for 
equipment that is intended for use in non-domestic (commercial, light 
industrial) properties; I’m only concerned with the EU situation here. 

More than one well known manufacturer of test equipment (e.g. oscilloscopes) 
declares it as EN 61326-1 Class A, with instructions that the item is only 
intended for use in non-residential areas. Such equipment is often used in 
workshops, laboratories and service centres, which along with residential 
properties are listed in EN 61326-1 as examples of a "basic electromagnetic 
environment", defined as “locations characterized by being supplied directly at 
low voltage from the public mains network”. 

EN 61326-1 defines Class A equipment as "equipment suitable for use in all 
establishments other than domestic and those directly connected to a low 
voltage power supply network which supplies buildings used for domestic 
purposes"

Is it OK to employ Class A limits for professional test or laboratory equipment 
even when it will likely be connected to a public mains supply? 

I realise that EN 55032 only requires Class B for equipment that is intended 
primarily for use in a residential environment (and for broadcast receivers) 
and stipulates Class A elsewhere, but most other standards tend to group 
commercial and light industrial together with residential, and permit Class A 
only in (heavy) industrial environments. 

So in what scenarios can Class A limits, in conjunction with a “not for use in 
residential environment” instruction, be legitimately used for products 
intended for use in non-residential properties that are typically fed from the 
public mains supply? 

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[PSES] Job opening in Tarana Wireless (Wireless Test engineering Manager)

[Chris]

 We have a few openings in Tarana Wireless, Milpitas, California.
https://taranawireless.applytojob.com/apply/7laREHVTue/Wireless-Test-Engineering-Manager


If you find any position that your skills set match please send me your resume 
so I can forward it to the right person.

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Re: [PSES] Energy efficiency for power supplies...

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Hi Matthew

Although I’ve not checked that they all correlate, I believe that the 
efficiency calculations originate from the International Efficiency Marking 
Protocol for External Power Supplies: 
https://beta.regulations.gov/document/EERE-2008-BT-STD-0005-0218 
<https://beta.regulations.gov/document/EERE-2008-BT-STD-0005-0218> 

How they were originally decided upon though I don’t know. 

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> EU 2019/1782 is the ecodesign requirements for external power supplies, i.e. 
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> table sets out the determination of 'average active efficiency'. I don't know 
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Re: [PSES] TRAVEL ADAPTORS-EU regulation that forbids use in professional equipment?

[Chris Wordley]

Hi Daniel

See Part II of the UK regulations 
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1994/1768/made/data.pdf 
<https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1994/1768/made/data.pdf> 

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> On 19 Nov 2020, at 15:15, MIKE SHERMAN  wrote:
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> For Switzerland, the adaptor must be certified to SEV1011 and must be 
> "fixed." Be aware that most "travel adaptors" are not certified and are not 
> fixed.
> I found the authorities in Switzerland to be quite helpful; contact me 
> directly for more information.
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>> I got from engineering that they want to provide a plug adaptor for Europe 
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>> Switzerland,). This is only for professional use as the user is trained
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Re: [PSES] Reduced CE mark

[Chris Wordley]

Hi Dave

The statement on our website is:

“The mark must be at least 5 mm high, but this requirement is waived for small 
products under those Directives which require the logo to actually be marked on 
the product itself (as opposed to provided on the instructions or packaging).
The directives which allow the size to be reduced are the Machinery, PPE, 
Medical Devices, ATEX, Lifts, and R+TTE directives. As a rule of thumb, the 
height of the logo may be reduced to 3 mm if the maximum dimension of the 
product is less that 150 mm. (This rule is based on an old standard for the 
marking of text information on products.)”   
 https://www.conformance.co.uk/kbclook/pdf/49.pdf 
<https://www.conformance.co.uk/kbclook/pdf/49.pdf> 

This was written a few years ago hence the R+TTE reference. 

It’s taken a while to uncover, but the origin of the 3mm rule of thumb is 
believed to be EN 82079-1 “Preparation of instructions for use. Structuring, 
content and presentation. General principles and detailed requirements", in 
which the minimum recommended graphical symbol height for very simple general 
symbols (rather than safety signs) marked on products is 3mm. 

Hope this helps. 


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> On 10 Mar 2020, at 15:08, Charlie Blackham  
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> Eloquently put – maybe you could draft the update to the Blue guide 
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> Subject: RE: [PSES] Reduced CE mark
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> Charlie,Under the circumstances you enumerated, would you 
> then recommend to the manufacturer that they put the
> ‘reduced’ CE mark on the RED product and also put the larger 5mm CE mark on 
> the packaging?  This would seem to meet all of the requirements. 
>  
> :>) br,  Pete
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>  
> Dave
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> The following is stated in the RED
>  
> Article 19 General principles of the CE marking 
> 1.The CE marking shall be subject to the general principles set out in 
> Article 30 of Regulation (EC) No 765/2008. 22.5.2014 L 153/80 Official 
> Journal of the European Union EN 
> 2.On account of the nature of radio equipment, the height of the CE marking 
> affixed to radio equipment may be lower than 5 mm, provided that it remains 
> visible and legible.
>  
> The issue is the interpretation of “on account of the nature of”.
>  
> However, other Directives may also apply as noted in the RED Guide
>  
> If the radio equipment is subject to other pieces of EU legislation which do 
> not allow the CE marking to be smaller than 5 mm, then the possibility of 
> using a smaller CE mark cannot be used by the manufacturer (e.g. RoHS).
>  
> You are of course allowed to put the CE mark on the packaging where it is not 
> possible to put it on the product (Clause 4.5.1.4 of The Blue Guide)
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> If you don’t put a 5mm CE on your product then you may find yourself having 
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Re: [PSES] Japanese safety lab

[Chris Brown]

Peter,

UL also offers services for Japan.

Chris



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Subject: [PSES] Japanese safety lab

Friends,

Are there any other government agency that can do safety tests beside JET in 
Japan? I have been dealing with JET directly and it has been a nightmare due to 
their lack of knowledge of ITE standard and wanted to see if there are any 
other labs that I can use rather than JET.

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[PSES] EMC Testing Required for Cables with E-Markers?

[Chris Brown]

Hello colleagues!

Do (otherwise) passive cables with e-markers require EMC/EMI testing for North 
America and Europe?
Example: USB-C cable with power delivery

I don't see a specific exemption for them in the FCC regulation; however, the 
function of e-markers is not necessarily taken into account.

Thanks,
Chris


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[PSES] UPDATE - Modified PC4 header to achieve voltage and elevation - How will UL look at this?

[Chris Wells]

I have an approach towards getting my Voltage ratings and required 
creepage/clearance that I would like feedback on.

See email inline 

 

To summarize the email attached: 

Application LV power systems mains monitoring in polyphase application.

Terminal Rating 400VL:N/G and 600/690 L:L (UL/IEC), CAT III, PD 2,  3000m to 
IEC/UL 61010-1, requires ~ 6.3mm creepage/Clearance between phases.

The pin to pin spacing edge to edge is just that but on pcb the solder pad cuts 
this down to 5.5mm with an oval pad.

So how to get the 6.3mm?

 

My approach

Starting with a Phoenix Contact PC4 RA header

https://www.phoenixcontact.com/online/portal/us?uri=pxc-oc-itemdetail:pid=1804797
 
<https://www.phoenixcontact.com/online/portal/us?uri=pxc-oc-itemdetail:pid=1804797=usen=1>
 =usen=1

Each terminal has two pcb plated through hole connections.

I would like to cut off alternating pins from the header to form a Zig Zag 
pattern on the pcb.

Note that my load is very small 5M ohms to ground so current rating should not 
be an issue application wise.

 



 

The pins cut flush with header base.

The pcb would have no pad for each cut off pin.

This would give me the clearance and creepage I need due to the phase to phase 
voltage of 600V UL or 690 IEC.

 

Issues

*   What would UL think of this? This is my biggest concern

*   Obviously affects current rating but my application is way below 1A.

*   Load will be a reinforced limiting impedance (resistor)

*   Could it just be a review issue in the submittal?

*   Is this a risky approach?  Should I have a small project to review….

*   Exposed Base metal on cut off pin – some corrosion possibly

*   I will coat area with humiseal, could have slots in pcb to allow 
coating to migrate to header side of  pcb.

*   Mechanical strength reduced, 

*   I will use side mounts that allow header to be screwed to the pcb.

 

Thanks

 

Chris Wells

 

From: Chris Wells  
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 3:36 PM
To: 'EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG' 
Subject: Terminal block pitch pcb creepage/clearance 400VL:N/G; 600/690 L:L CAT 
III, PD2, 3Km elevation

 

I want to monitor mains of polyphase power systems VA/VB/VC/VN using EN/UL 
61010-1

Ratings: 400VL:N/G; 600/690 L:L CAT III, PD2, 3Km elevation

Issue I see is to get the phase to phase spacings on my terminal block.

Requirements in Annex K are 5.5mm at 2Km but go up to ~ 6.3mm at 3Km.

 

I would like to use a 4 position 7.62mm pitch terminal block and with oval pcb 
pads we can manage 5.5mm spacing between the plated through hole pcb pads.

Hope to use a Phoenix Contact Combicon right angle header and matching terminal 
plug.

Wire size max would be 14 AWG.

 

I could slot the pcb between phases and coat the pcb in this area with Humiseal 
or similar.

A competitor is claiming the same specs using same standard using coatings/slot 
 but I do not see how they navigate the standard to claim their ratings


  t

My take on the coating is that just reduces the effective pollution degree and 
the tables give no relief in that regard at PD1.

Q  - can the coating be considered more of a potting?

Q - Are there any angles to pursue that would give use what we want?  Or other 
ideas on how to terminate?

 

An alternative is to use a 5.08mm pitch 7 position terminal block and 
depopulate the even positions.

Most of the larger pitch terminal blocks are designed for high current and are 
too massive.

 

Your thoughts/suggestions?

 

Thanks

 

Chris Wells


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Re: [PSES] Terminal block pitch pcb creepage/clearance 400VL:N/G; 600/690 L:L CAT III, PD2, 3Km elevation

[Chris Wells]

John  thanks for the feedback, that is the plan so far.

Down side of the smaller terminal is basically image/security of the connection.

Also it means another semi-custom terminal plug/header arrangement.

I am considering using a snap on cover or a plug with strap down plate to hold 
the wires securely with nylon tie wrap.

Product should not be accessible when mains are powered without adequate PPE.

 

Chris

 

From: John Woodgate  
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 4:11 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Terminal block pitch pcb creepage/clearance 400VL:N/G; 
600/690 L:L CAT III, PD2, 3Km elevation

 

If you have room for the 7-position block, go for it to save a lot of argument 
about other 'solutions'.

Best wishes
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk <http://www.woodjohn.uk> 
Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2019-10-26 20:36, Chris Wells wrote:

I want to monitor mains of polyphase power systems VA/VB/VC/VN using EN/UL 
61010-1

Ratings: 400VL:N/G; 600/690 L:L CAT III, PD2, 3Km elevation

Issue I see is to get the phase to phase spacings on my terminal block.

Requirements in Annex K are 5.5mm at 2Km but go up to ~ 6.3mm at 3Km.

 

I would like to use a 4 position 7.62mm pitch terminal block and with oval pcb 
pads we can manage 5.5mm spacing between the plated through hole pcb pads.

Hope to use a Phoenix Contact Combicon right angle header and matching terminal 
plug.

Wire size max would be 14 AWG.

 

I could slot the pcb between phases and coat the pcb in this area with Humiseal 
or similar.

A competitor is claiming the same specs using same standard using coatings/slot 
 but I do not see how they navigate the standard to claim their ratings


  t

My take on the coating is that just reduces the effective pollution degree and 
the tables give no relief in that regard at PD1.

Q  - can the coating be considered more of a potting?

Q - Are there any angles to pursue that would give use what we want?  Or other 
ideas on how to terminate?

 

An alternative is to use a 5.08mm pitch 7 position terminal block and 
depopulate the even positions.

Most of the larger pitch terminal blocks are designed for high current and are 
too massive.

 

Your thoughts/suggestions?

 

Thanks

 

Chris Wells

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[PSES] Terminal block pitch pcb creepage/clearance 400VL:N/G; 600/690 L:L CAT III, PD2, 3Km elevation

[Chris Wells]

I want to monitor mains of polyphase power systems VA/VB/VC/VN using EN/UL 
61010-1

Ratings: 400VL:N/G; 600/690 L:L CAT III, PD2, 3Km elevation

Issue I see is to get the phase to phase spacings on my terminal block.

Requirements in Annex K are 5.5mm at 2Km but go up to ~ 6.3mm at 3Km.

 

I would like to use a 4 position 7.62mm pitch terminal block and with oval pcb 
pads we can manage 5.5mm spacing between the plated through hole pcb pads.

Hope to use a Phoenix Contact Combicon right angle header and matching terminal 
plug.

Wire size max would be 14 AWG.

 

I could slot the pcb between phases and coat the pcb in this area with Humiseal 
or similar.

A competitor is claiming the same specs using same standard using coatings/slot 
 but I do not see how they navigate the standard to claim their ratings


  t

My take on the coating is that just reduces the effective pollution degree and 
the tables give no relief in that regard at PD1.

Q  - can the coating be considered more of a potting?

Q - Are there any angles to pursue that would give use what we want?  Or other 
ideas on how to terminate?

 

An alternative is to use a 5.08mm pitch 7 position terminal block and 
depopulate the even positions.

Most of the larger pitch terminal blocks are designed for high current and are 
too massive.

 

Your thoughts/suggestions?

 

Thanks

 

Chris Wells


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[PSES] ONS Notification management services site not working

[Chris]

Folks,
I was trying to login to ONS Notification to update our company info but the 
URL does not work anymore.
https://webgate.ec.europa.eu/osn/index.cfm?fuseaction=sec.logout

Does anyone know how to register 5 GHz/2.5 GHz product before shipping to CE 
countries.
Thanks in advance.
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[PSES] Accredited test lab in Bay area for ETSI EN 301-908-13/14 testing

[Chris]

Folks
I am looking for a local lab in bay area to do some testing for our product. 
EN 301 908-13 for UE and EN 301 908-14.
Thanks in advance for any help.
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[PSES] Trial of units compliance but without FCC Id

[Chris]

 Yes that is possible without FCC ID.
We did get such permission from FCC but our Attorney handled our application 
for CBRS band.
The permission was granted for a year specific to a particular area for 
deployment only.Christopher
On Friday, June 21, 2019, 6:37:29 AM PDT, Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP) 
 wrote:  
  
Good morning all
 
There is any FCC rule that allows temporary deploy a limited number of devices 
for customer testing with you FCC Id?. This device has been tested and pass  by 
the lab but is pending of review by the TCB. I mean to conduct a limited trial 
of units that are compliance but without FCC Id label
 
  
 
Thank you for your answer
 
  
 
Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
 
Daniel Rodríguez
 
  
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[PSES] IEC/EN 60519-2:2006 Withdrawal

[Chris Wordley]

Hi All

“Safety in electroheat installations. Particular requirements for resistance 
heating equipment”.

The IEC standard was withdrawn last August, the national EN versions more 
recently, seemingly without replacement. 

Does anybody know the background to the withdrawal, and which standards are 
being used instead? 

Best Regards

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Re: [PSES] Big Boot from List Server

[Chris Wordley]

Likewise. 


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[PSES] 24GHz band - what are plans for it in the UK/EU?

[Chris Wordley]

Hi All

Does anyone know the the plans for this band? OFCOM states granting permissions 
in this band rests with defence.

Directive 2011/485/EU covers time limited automotive use, with cars 
transferring to the 79GHz band for automotive radars.


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[PSES] FCC Part 96/CBSD testing

[Chris]

 Folks,
I need some feedback from the members of this list who have done Part 96 
certification.
we are planning to get our product certification in the 3650-3700 MHz band as 
Category B device.
I know we need RF testing to FCC Part 96.
Protocol Requirement to FCC Part 96 (section 6-7 of WINNF-TS-0122)
My 2 questions are:1. do we need EMC (Part 15B) as I was told it is not 
Mandatory. 2. Is it Mandatory to go to FCC lab for CBSD/Part 96 validation 
(similar to DFS verification)
our product is a PtMP/PtP device used for internet access.

I did not find many labs in California having good experience doing Part 96 
certification as it is a new certification standard.last Time I checked FCC 
site I found only 17 Part 96 Grants issued.
Any help in this regard is appreciated.
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[PSES] SAS validation protocol WINNF-TS-0122-V1.0.0?

[Chris]

 

   Folks,
I am looking for a local lab in Bay Area to run SAS validation protocol 
WINNF-TS-0122-V1.0.0 as my first choice?If I cannot find a lab locally, I may 
consider doing these tests outside California.
Any help is appreciated in advance.
Regards
Christopher SaleemRegulatory Compliance ManagerTarana Wireless, Inc.Santa 
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Re: [PSES] Labeling - battery operated products

[Chris Wordley]

Hi Amund

I would certainly not consider myself an IATA specialist, but my understanding 
and experience is that the labels shown in this document are applied to an 
outside face of the transport packaging so that handlers can treat the package 
appropriately; they are not applied to the Li batteries (or to equipment 
containing them) themselves.

Regards
Chris

From: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no]
Sent: 08 September 2017 05:35
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Labeling - battery operated products

At least for CE marking purposes, there are no requirements for any battery 
related information on the product label.

But then I came into this web-site / document:
http://www.iata.org/whatwedo/cargo/dgr/Documents/lithium-battery-guidance-document-2017-en.pdf

Should a product (with batteries incorporated) have such battery information on 
its label or is this IATA requirements only for shipment packages?

Any IATA specialists here?


BR
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[PSES] looking for CE Marking and Consultation for user guide/Manual, packaging

[Chris]

We are looking for CE Marking and Consultation services for CE 
products.Consultant services can be in US or Europe.
Our products are Wifi AP and switch, RF expertise for CE products is preferred, 
User manual, Label, warning statements.
for more info you can find on https://www.ubnt.com/products/
Please get in touch with me offline to discuss further.
regards
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Re: [PSES] EU OJ today - EN55013/20 missing

[Wordley Chris]

Thank you Michael (and John) for your input, very useful.

Chris

From: Michael Derby [mailto:micha...@acbcert.com]
Sent: 16 August 2016 08:42
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EU OJ today - EN55013/20 missing

Hi Scott,

I suspect that the exclusion of EN 55013 and EN 55020 from the latest EMCD OJ 
is now an intentional thing, based on the fact that those products are no 
longer intended to be used with the EMC Directive…..  even though we know that 
they are, during this short transition period.
I suspect they did not want to have a specific EMCD OJ, just to cover the RED 
transition period.

You can use standards which are not in the OJ, of course, as long as you have a 
good reason for doing that.   You just need to keep some records of why you 
made that decision.

Therefore, if I were a manufacturer, I would use EN 55013 and EN 55020, declare 
against the EMCD, and keep records that I used those standards because they are 
the most appropriate standards for the product.

It’s true that formally you may not be using a standard which gives presumption 
of conformity (depending on the understanding of the person you’re talking to); 
but it should be very easy to justify that those are the correct standards to 
use.

Thanks,

Michael.


From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com]
Sent: 15 August 2016 18:06
To: Michael Derby <micha...@acbcert.com<mailto:micha...@acbcert.com>>; 
EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: Re: [PSES] EU OJ today - EN55013/20 missing

Hi Michael,

Since the new HS list for EMCD does not include EN 55013 and EN 55020 for 
broadcast receivers, should we use the HS of 16/01/2015 until the EMC HS 
appears in RED.  Your given guidance document is no longer applicable for this 
scenario.  A new HS has been issued twice for the new EMCD as of today.

Regards,

Scott




From: Michael Derby <micha...@acbcert.com<mailto:micha...@acbcert.com>>
Reply-To: Michael Derby <micha...@acbcert.com<mailto:micha...@acbcert.com>>
Date: Monday, 15 August 2016 at 10:38 PM
To: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>>
Subject: Re: [PSES] EU OJ today - EN55013/20 missing

Hello,

You are correct that you can continue to use the EMCD and LVD until the end of 
the RED transition period.

(See this useful document:   
http://ec.europa.eu/DocsRoom/documents/11983/attachments/1/translations/en/renditions/native
 )

It’s true that if the standards are not listed in the OJ for the new EMCD, 
those standards do not offer immediate presumption of conformity.   It means 
that the manufacturer must include some thought and justification in their own 
records.   But, based on this situation, I think that justification should be 
quite simple.
It would not mandate the use of a Notified Body for the EMCD; because Notified 
Body use is never a mandatory requirement for the EMCD.
(If is an option to use an EMCD Notified Body, of course)

If you wish to use the RED before the standards are harmonised and published on 
the RED OJ, though, that would require a Notified Body (type examination 
certificate) for the RED.

In the absence of standards or guidance, most broadcast receiver manufacturers 
seem to be sticking with the EMCD and LVD for as long as possible.


Michael.



From: Wordley Chris [mailto:chris.word...@smardtv.com]
Sent: 15 August 2016 15:08
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: Re: [PSES] EU OJ today - EN55013/20 missing

Thanks for highlighting this Ron.

Neither EN55013 nor EN55020 (broadcast receiver emission and immunity) appear 
in the list for 2014/30/EU; they were listed in the OJ under the previous EMC 
Directive for many years.

Broadcast receivers now fall under the RED rather than the EMC directive, but 
the OJ listing for the RED doesn’t include any EMC standards at all so appears 
virtually unusable currently for most products by anyone seeking a presumption 
of conformity through applying harmonised standards.

I believe that until June 2017, compliance with LVD/EMC directives is a valid 
alternative to RED compliance. For emissions that would be no problem, EN55032 
is listed under 2014/30/EU and it covers broadcast receivers, but the omission 
of EN55020 seems to mean that no presumption of conformity is possible anymore? 
Since the product-specific standard isn’t listed we could apply a standard that 
is such as EN55024 (ITE) or EN61000-6-1 (generic), but would that provide a 
presumption of conformity? Your opinions would be appreciated…..

Regards
Chris

From: Ronald Pickard [mailto:ronald.pick...@compoundphotonics.com]
Sent: 12 August 2016 16:38
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: [PSES] EU OJ today

To all, FYI.

In the EU OJ today (see link below), there were six (6) harmonized standards 
lists published relating to 5 directives and 1 regulation.

Directives: 2014/68/EU, 201

Re: [PSES] EU OJ today - EN55013/20 missing

[Wordley Chris]

Thanks for highlighting this Ron.

Neither EN55013 nor EN55020 (broadcast receiver emission and immunity) appear 
in the list for 2014/30/EU; they were listed in the OJ under the previous EMC 
Directive for many years.

Broadcast receivers now fall under the RED rather than the EMC directive, but 
the OJ listing for the RED doesn't include any EMC standards at all so appears 
virtually unusable currently for most products by anyone seeking a presumption 
of conformity through applying harmonised standards.

I believe that until June 2017, compliance with LVD/EMC directives is a valid 
alternative to RED compliance. For emissions that would be no problem, EN55032 
is listed under 2014/30/EU and it covers broadcast receivers, but the omission 
of EN55020 seems to mean that no presumption of conformity is possible anymore? 
Since the product-specific standard isn't listed we could apply a standard that 
is such as EN55024 (ITE) or EN61000-6-1 (generic), but would that provide a 
presumption of conformity? Your opinions would be appreciated.

Regards
Chris

From: Ronald Pickard [mailto:ronald.pick...@compoundphotonics.com]
Sent: 12 August 2016 16:38
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] EU OJ today

To all, FYI.

In the EU OJ today (see link below), there were six (6) harmonized standards 
lists published relating to 5 directives and 1 regulation.

Directives: 2014/68/EU, 2014/53/EU (still very abbreviated), 2014/30/EU, 
2014/34/EU, 2014/33/EU
Regulation: 765/2008

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=OJ:C:2016:293:TOC

Best regards,

Ron Pickard
Regulatory Compliance Engineer
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Re: [PSES] Wireless Regulatory Engineer position

[Chris]

I also got same email from this recruiter about the position below.
Full Title: LMR Regulatory Engineer (Direct hire) Compensation:Based on 
Experience Location: Atlanta, GA (relocation required - assistance available)  
Christopher

  From: John Cochran 
 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG 
 Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 6:06 AM
 Subject: [PSES] Wireless Regulatory Engineer position
   
I got an 
email from a recruiter and wanted to pass it on.  I don’t know of anyone who 
would be interested and have no information on the position.  Contact Debbie 
Schumacher if interested, and good luck.  Hi, I’m looking for a Regulatory 
Engineer for our client in the wireless industry.  As someone in the industry, 
I thought you might have worked with or know someone who might be interested in 
this.   Our client is a leading developer and manufacturer of electronics and 
communications equipment.  The Regulatory Engineer would need to know about 
standards for radios and systems, monitor the FCC website for regulatory 
changes and interface with the test lab and the aftermarket to insure 
compliance.   If there is someone you know, please feel free to have them 
contact me and I will send more info.  Thank you for taking the time to 
consider this.   Sincerely, Debbie SchumacherTalent CoordinatorElectronic 
Search, 
Inc.847-506-2494dschumacher@electronicsearch.comwww.electronicsearch.com5105 
Tollview Drive Suite 245
Rolling Meadows, IL 60008    John CochranStrongarm Energy DivisionSTRONGARM 
Designs423 Sargon Way, Horsham, PA 19044Ph: 215-443-3400 x219   Fax: 
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[PSES] SDPPI lab testing Wifi Access Point in Indonesia

[Chris]

Dear folks,
I am looking for some feedback regarding getting a test date at SDPPI lab in 
Indonesia.
our in-country agent has been telling me that SDPPI lab is booked fr past 3 
weeks and cannot get test date.
Any help, if you have first hand knowledge dealing with this issue recently is 
appreciated.
regards
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Aerohive Networks

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Re: [PSES] USB Mains Outlet sockets

[Allen, Chris]

I have recently bought an outlet socket / USB charger module from Ikea which 
connects in to their under cupboard lighting system.

When my iPhone 5 is plugged in to it the touch screen is very erratic and 
jumps when I use it. 

Chris.

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From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: 14 March 2015 11:23
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] USB Mains Outlet sockets

In message
!!AAAYAEGjmYsMtGZAuvo7rFLQ++figAAAEApZgy7gRjRIgOS1e
hcpk4ABAA==@blueyonder.co.uk, dated Sat, 14 Mar 2015, John Allen 
john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk writes:

Leaving aside the LVD in/out issues, since a small USB charger is 
almost inherently not EMC benign, then surely it must be subject to 
the EMCD - unless you firmly play the installations card - ?

I agree up to a point. As you say, once you invoke 'fixed installation' 
you raise the subject of EMC assessing the whole house.

If it IS subject to the EMCD, then the essential requirements of that 
apply - regardless of whether there are directly-applicable harmonised 
Standards - , CE marking is required and the overall CE marking 
requirements apply, and that would then throw the RoHS II requirements 
into play as well.

The CE mark can't be applied because it's prohibited on mains plugs and 
sockets. It's an unresolvable paradox, due to the absence of relevant standards.

So, I think the installations issue could probably be the critical 
one.

See above; it just raises further unresolvable issues.

What we should be pressing for is an applicable standard, not trying to hammer 
existing standards into applicability.
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[PSES] LISN Bonding to Ground Plane for CEMI Testing per ANSI C63.4

[Chris Bramley]

ANSI C63.4-2014 clause 5.2.2 requires a direct current resistance of less
than or equal to 2.5 milliohms between the LISN being used for CEMI
measurements and the reference ground plane. Is it possible to achieve this
low level of resistance by simply bolting the LISN to the ground plane
(after thoroughly cleaning the LISN and ground plane contact points)? I am
looking for a solution that allows the LISNs to remain reasonably portable
as they are regularly transferred between test sites. Also, what
combination of Kelvin probes and milliohm meter works best to take quick,
repeatable measurements of the resistance between the LISN and the ground
plane?

Christopher Bramley
EMC Test Engineer I
Bureau Veritas - Consumer Products Services
Littleton Distribution Center
1 Distribution Center Circle, Suite 1
Littleton, MA 01460, USA
978.486.8880 x6135
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Re: [PSES] Black Bar under WEEE symbol - still needed or was it eliminated? Thanks

[Wordley, Chris]

WEEE2 (2012/19/EU) clause 15.2 says:

In order to enable the date upon which the EEE was placed on the market to be 
determined unequivocally, Member States shall ensure that a mark on the EEE 
specifies that the latter was placed on the market after 13 August 2005. 
Preferably, the European Standard EN 50419 shall be applied for this purpose.

So my understanding is that the black bar, or some other marking that achieves 
the same purpose, is still required.

Regards
Chris Wordley
EchoStar

From: Crane, Lauren [mailto:lauren.cr...@kla-tencor.com]
Sent: 09 March 2015 17:11
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Black Bar under WEEE symbol - still needed or was it 
eliminated? Thanks


I was just strolling through this part of WEEE2 (2012/19EU) last week. EN 50419 
has the black-bar requirement and says it represents a product which entered 
the market after 13Aug2005.



WEEE2 says Member States shall ensure that producers appropriately mark - 
preferably in accordance with the European standard EN 50419 - EEE placed on 
the market with the symbol shown in Annex IX. (Article 14.4). The Annex IX 
illustration does not show a black bar. Therefore, I think the reference to EN 
50419 is simply a reference to the dimensions and form of the wheeled bin, and 
there is no need, or even preference for, the black bar.



Regards,

Lauren Crane

KLA-Tencor


From: Gary McInturff [mailto:gary.mcintu...@esterline.com]
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:55 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Black Bar under WEEE symbol - still needed or was it 
eliminated? Thanks

The WEEE  symbol has (had) a black bar or date area to indicate that the 
product had been introduced after April in 2005, but I thought that the bar has 
now been removed. True/False?
Thanks


Gary McInturff
Reliability/Compliance Engineer



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Re: [PSES] To earth or not to earth......

[Chris Allen]

Hi Bostjan / Ted,

Thanks for the information.

The pluggable type A equipment in question has a VDR + GDT in series in the
PSU. Mains cord connection is Line, Neutral and Earth with earth
terminating to the chassis inside the unit. There is also has a provision
for a permanently connected earth conductor (external earth screw in
chassis).

The question is does the unit have to be permanently connected to earth? Or
does just providing the provision for a permanent connection meet the
requirement?

Thanks,
Chris.

On 5 March 2015 at 14:13, Ted Eckert ted.eck...@microsoft.com wrote:

  Hello Chris,



 Your equipment is required to have a provision for a permanently connected
 earthing conductor.



 Section 1.5.9.4 gives you three options.

 ·If your equipment has no permanent connections, it must be
 Pluggable Type B. Since you have already described your product as
 Pluggable Type A, this option isn’t available.

 ·Your equipment can have a permanent mains connection. Again,
 since you have Pluggable Type A, you can’t use this option.

 ·This leaves the third option of providing a provision for a
 permanently connected earthing conductor along with providing instructions
 on its proper use.



 It is not prohibited from having equipment with a permanent earthing
 connection yet pluggable line connections. This is an unusual and somewhat
 impractical construction, but it is allowed. It’s not all that different
 from the Japanese Class 01 plug. In Japan, grounded outlets are uncommon.
 Most residential and commercial outlets are NEMA 1-15 with just line and
 neutral. There is a strange plug in Japan that is allowed under Japanese
 national differences to IEC 60950-1. The Class 01 plug
 http://www.quail.com/P-2013.098/Power-Cord--Quail-Pn-2013098--25m-125mm3-Vctf-Black-Nacc-Jis-8303-Japan-With-Ground-Lead-To-Roj.aspx
 has the line and neutral blades, but it also has a ground wire coming off
 of it with a fork or ring lug. It isn’t exactly what would be required on
 your equipment, but it does show that such constructions are used in Japan.



 Ted Eckert

 Compliance Engineer

 Microsoft Corporation

 ted.eck...@microsoft.com



 The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of
 my employer.



 *From:* Chris Allen [mailto:speedtrif...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 5, 2015 5:16 AM
 *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
 *Subject:* [PSES] To earth or not to earth..



 I'm looking for some views on IEC60950-1 Ed.2 + A2 section 1.5.9.4



 If you have pluggable type A equipment that has a PSU with a VDR + GDT in
 series bridging primary insulation does the equipment have to be
 permanently connected to a protective earthing conductor?



 Section 1.5.9.4 states that equipment with such a VDR bridging basic
 insulation shall be one of the following:

- Pluggable Type B: or
- Permanently connected equipment: or
- Equipment that has provision for a permanently connected protective
earthing conductor and is provided with instructions for the installation
of that conductor.



 What this doesn't say is that it *shall* be permanently connected.



 Other sections in the standard where permanent connection is required say
 just that e.g. section 2.3.2.3 The installation instructions shall specify
 that this separate protective earthing terminal be permanently connected to
 earth.



 Any thoughts / views gratefully received.



 Thanks,

 Chris.





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[PSES] To earth or not to earth......

[Chris Allen]

I'm looking for some views on IEC60950-1 Ed.2 + A2 section 1.5.9.4

If you have pluggable type A equipment that has a PSU with a VDR + GDT in
series bridging primary insulation does the equipment have to be
permanently connected to a protective earthing conductor?

Section 1.5.9.4 states that equipment with such a VDR bridging basic
insulation shall be one of the following:

   - Pluggable Type B: or
   - Permanently connected equipment: or
   - Equipment that has provision for a permanently connected protective
   earthing conductor and is provided with instructions for the installation
   of that conductor.


What this doesn't say is that it *shall* be permanently connected.

Other sections in the standard where permanent connection is required say
just that e.g. section 2.3.2.3 The installation instructions shall specify
that this separate protective earthing terminal be permanently connected to
earth.

Any thoughts / views gratefully received.

Thanks,
Chris.

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[PSES] Machinery requirements for Japan market

[Chris]

Pete,
Very true 'voluntary' definition.
Big name Japanese customers will not buy your product without these 
labels/certifications.
I always recommend the certification route to our management and spend the 
extra funds to get VCCI report, 
regards
Christopher  From: Pete Perkins 0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org
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 Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 11:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [PSES] Machinery requirements for Japan market
   
Mike, Dave  et al,

    Just a reminder, 'voluntary' has a different definition in Japan.  

    We tried to play the card when I worked at the big
electronics company but our Japanese distributor remended us that they had
volunteered to meet the requirement so it wasn't voluntary for the design
and manufacturing company.  

:)    br,    Pete
 
Peter E Perkins, PE
Principal Product Safety Engineer
PO Box 23427
Tigard, ORe  97281-3427
 
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    __ _ _ _

Hi Dave,

From what I understand, the Electrical Appliance and Material Safety Law
under the Ministry of Economy Trade and Industry has lists of Specified
Electrical Appliances and Materials (Category A and B) which determine the
electrical safety requirements for certain products.

http://www.meti.go.jp/english/policy/economy/consumer/pse/02.htm
http://www.meti.go.jp/english/policy/economy/consumer/pse/03.htm

EMC is voluntary under the Voluntary Control Council for Interference
(VCCI). https://www.vcci.jp/vcci_e/


Mike Violette
Washington Laboratories  American Certification Body mi...@wll.com
+1 240 401 1388



On Feb 23, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Nyffenegger, Dave wrote:

 Hi Folks,
 
 Can anyone tell me if there are any national requirements for certifications 
 of light machinery used commercially in the office
environment in Japan or point me to where I can learn about that?  i.e. Safety 
and/or EMC etc.
 
 thanks
 
 David P. Nyffenegger, PMP, SM-IEEE
 Product Development Manager
 Bell and Howell

  

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Re: [PSES] TTE Equipment and RTTE Directive

[Allen, Chris]

The TS 103-021 series has been replaced by ES 203-021 series. 

If you obtain an ES 203-021 test report it can be used in some countries 
outside the EU instead of carrying out local testing.

Thanks,
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In message 006601d005d1$a9aaef40$fd00cdc0$@randolph-telecom.com, dated Fri, 
21 Nov 2014, Joe Randolph j...@randolph-telecom.com writes:

While compliance with these standards is not a regulatory requirement, 
some manufacturers (and their customers) feel more comfortable knowing 
that a product meets these requirements.  In my judgment, the 
requirements in the TS-103 021 series are pretty reasonable, especially 
compared to the some of the per-country national requirements that were 
mandatory prior to the implementation of the TTE directive in 2000.

So, it might be appropriate to at least review the requirements in the 
TS 103 021 series and satisfy yourself that your product complies with 
those requirements.  However, that would be a purely voluntary activity 
because there is no regulatory requirement to meet those requirements.

If your product is a listen-only device that only looks for ringing, 
only a small subset of the requirements in the TS 103 021 series would 
be relevant, such as the impedance presented to ring signals and the 
applicable thresholds for ring detection.  I think you will find the 
requirements to be easy to meet.

I think this is very good advice.
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Re: [PSES] Failure of Radiated emission

[Allen, Chris]

Hi Kris,



As long as the configuration that the customer / market surveillance authority 
has used is valid and representative of use and tested according to the 
standard I don't think you will have a leg to stand on.



Have a look at Whereas: (17) in the EMC Directive 2004/108/EC. It states the 
following:



 the electromagnetic compatibility assessment should confirm whether the 
apparatus meets the protection requirements in the configurations foreseeable 
by the manufacturer as representative of normal use in the intended 
applications; in such cases it should be sufficient to perform an assessment on 
the basis of the configuration most likely to cause maximum disturbance and the 
configuration most susceptible to disturbance.



It is the manufacturer's job to determine what the worst case representative 
configuration is.



Thanks,

Chris.



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Sent: 05 September 2014 15:36
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Subject: [PSES] Failure of Radiated emission



Hi group,



A ITE product is tested to EN55022 Radiated emission with a well defined setup 
(cables, traffic, etc...) trying to find the worst case emissions and it passes.

I think finding the real worst case emission for all frequencies with one and 
the same set-up is in practice not possible in practice.



That same product is retested by a customer or in case of market surveillance 
campaigns, then it is most likely not tested with the same set-up and results 
may fail.

Would this be an issue or is it acceptable that it is retested with the same 
set-up as the initial testing? I refer to CISPR22, clause 8.4 that states that 
the operational conditions of the EUT shall be determined acc. to typical 
use.The operat mode and rationale shall be stated in the report.



So to me it looks sufficient to test a typical set-up, do your best to not make 
it best case and describe everything in the report.



Any other thoughts?



Best regards,

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[PSES] PSE certification for PoE shipped to Japan

[Chris]

Folks,
I would like to know if PSE certification is required for PoE shipped to Japan.
I know for our 12vDC wall adapter the Denan law applies.
Does the Denan law also apply to external PoE?
you help in this regard is appreciated.
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[PSES] Wi-Fi Alliance certification for 802.11n is not Mandatory

[Chris]

Moshe,
If you don't get the logo on your product it might affect your sales.
We do get cert. for all of our 802.11 a/b/g/n and 11ac products.
for consumer market it may not impact sales.
regards

Christopher
Aerohive Networks



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Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 3:05 AM
Subject: [PSES] Wi-Fi Alliance certification for 802.11n
 


Dear Group,

 Is Wi-Fi Alliance certification  for 802.11n  mandatory or volontray? 

Thanks

Moshe

Moshe Henig Dipl. Ing.
NCE SMIEEE
EMC and Safety
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[PSES] Saudi Arabia Wifi 5GHz band used?

[Chris]

Folks,

Our software team asked me a DFS band KSA question below which 


Question: can
we use 5250-5350MHz and 5470-5745MHz band in KSA as per CITC rules?


CITC document RI045 does reference EN301 893 @ 200 mW e.i.r.p Max mean
for 5250-5350MHz 

and 5470-5725MHz band with reference EN301 893 @ 1000mW Max mean

Any KSA info from Wi-Fi manufacturers/test labs/compliance experts would be 
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[PSES] Modem EMC testing

[Chris Wells]

I have a product where we added a Multitech modem module as per their
examples and ran it through UL/CUL safety evaluation already.

I am looking for some advice on a clean way to do EMC testing on this POTS
Modem interface.

Both emissions (looking for FCC class B) and immunity to IEC61326 

 

I have never evaluated a modem before.

I assume there is a way to simulate a POTS interface and isolate my aux
monitoring equipment .

Any feedback would be appreciated.

 

Chris Wells

Eaton

 

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Re: [PSES] Cooling fan safety query

[Allen, Chris]

Hi Ian,

The last company I was with used to specify a single manufacturer's fan in the 
UL report including supply voltage / current / CFM) and then (with UL's 
agreement) include the words or any recognised equivalent component. 

During the factory inspections, if a fan was being fitted from a different 
manufacturer we would have to produce the fan specification to show that we met 
the requirements i.e. the fan was UL recognised, supply voltage was the same, 
current was equal to or less than specified in the report and the CFM was equal 
to or greater than specified.

Thanks,
Chris.

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From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: 13 December 2013 11:23
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Cooling fan safety query

In message
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, dated Fri, 13 Dec 2013, McBurney, Ian ian.mcbur...@allen-heath.com
writes:

I believe the fans are listed for the flammability of the plastic body 
but I may be wrong.

It would surely be worthwhile to check whether UL have confirmed electrical 
safety, because if not, the test house is probably justified. 
So you would need to list all the fans that could be used, or find a less 
exacting test house.
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Re: [PSES] CISPR 32; CISPR 35

[Wordley, Chris]

Hello David

EN 55032:2012 is already listed in the RTTE directive list of harmonised 
standards dated 12th October 2013. My guess is that it will probably appear in 
the list for the EMCD when it is next updated.

Chris Wordley

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Sent: 12 November 2013 05:41
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Subject: [PSES] CISPR 32; CISPR 35

Hello,
Does anyone have any idea/indication as to when CISPR 32 and CISPR 35 will be 
adopted by the EU and appear in the EMCD list of harmonised standards?
Also I saw on the IEC website that Edition 2.0 of CISPR 32 is being prepared. 
Any ideas?


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Re: [PSES] EMC requirements for developer/evaluation boards

[Chris Anderson (cmanderson)]

Read the statement at the very bottom of the linked web page.

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/intelligent-systems/evaluation-platforms/core-i7-4700eq-development-kit.html

This is one approach that has been apparently successful.  I believe Intel 
ships their eval boards all over the world.

Chris


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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 8:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] EMC requirements for developer/evaluation boards

The Guide for the EMC Directive may be somewhat helpful.

As it is sold, do you feel this type of product is really an Apparatus? It 
has no function as sold. Don't you have to incorporate it with other Components 
to make it work? Isn't it really a Component or sub-assembly incorporated with 
other Components or sub-assemblies to create a Prototype Apparatus not intended 
to be marketed?

Can you classify it as a Component or Sub-Assembly which is NOT Intended 
for Incorporation into an Apparatus???
Referring to the Guide for the EMC Directive 2004/108/EC (8th February 2010), 
look at the Flow Charts starting on page 10; then go to Flow-Chart 2 on page 16.
A Component or Sub-Assembly NOT Intended for Incorporation into an Apparatus 
would be Excluded from the EMC Directive.

An Apparatus must also be intended for the End User. Though in this case, the 
End User would be an Engineer with knowledge of Electronics which would most 
likely include at least some knowledge of EMC. On page 17 of the guide where it 
describes what an End User is, see the text that says, Generally an end-user 
is deemed to have no qualifications in the field of electromagnetic 
compatibility.  Products not intended for the End User is Excluded from the 
EMC Directive.

In the scope of the EMC Directive, it says, When compliant with the provisions 
of the EMC Directive, equipment
may be placed on the market and/ or put into service in the Community 
territory, freely moved and operated as designed and intended in the expected 
electromagnetic environment.  So what is the expected electromagnetic 
environment for a product like this? It is intended to be used Temporarily in 
an engineering lab or Research and Development lab. What is the Expected EMC 
Environment of such an area where prototype electronic devices without any EMC 
testing is commonly operated for long periods of time? Though I cannot find any 
text that specifically excludes prototype electronic devices operating in an 
RD environment, it is kind of a no brainer.

Hope this is somewhat helpful.

Brian


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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:22 AM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] EMC requirements for developer/evaluation boards

In message
caey+zhmv+erfxd--dvutjklyva7wbr1dtjdkjxfqyj6m5lg...@mail.gmail.com,
dated Fri, 25 Oct 2013, EMC Guy emc.guy@gmail.com writes:

.  My literature research did not come up with anything helpful,
especially for Europe

As I explained, you will not find anything explicit about this issue.
Wherever you are, you can ask Farnell, but the answers will be Europe-oriented.
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dictionaries were correct, we would only need one, because they would all give 
the same information.
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Re: [PSES] Job titles

[Allen, Chris]

Hi Doug,

I have added the word Product before Compliance Engineer. This narrows down 
the type of role a little and you can always use something more specific like 
Telecoms, Automotive etc. depending on what job you are applying for.

If you want to jazz it up a bit try Product Compliance Specialist.

Good luck,
Chris.

From: Pawson, James [mailto:james.paw...@echostar.com]
Sent: 01 October 2013 08:50
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Job titles

When explaining to my (non-technical) friends what I do (EMC Engineer), I 
usually say something along the lines of:

You know when you put your mobile next to your speakers and it goes 
da-da-da-da-daaa-da-da? My job is to stop that happening to the things we 
make. We can't interfere with mobile phones and they can't interfere with our 
stuff. Simples.

(Nearly) everyone has a mobile these days so bringing the effect of what you do 
into a frame of reference that they understand is the first step. Ed's plane 
analogy is good - you are the person that stops them plummeting out of the sky 
and dying! You are a HERO!

Best of luck with the job hunting
James

From: Ed Price [mailto:edpr...@cox.net]
Sent: 01 October 2013 03:34
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Job titles

Doug:

You can be modest for all eternity, but if you want to be effective in 
marketing yourself, you have to grab their attention and reach their mind in 
just a few seconds; you have to put on a show. Obviously, this speech would be 
tailored to suite your audience, but you could start with a smile, calmly but 
confidently saying that:

I'm an engineer who, while understanding the technical aspects of your product, 
can also smooth your way into new markets, minimize your development costs, 
protect you and your company from legal attack and give your customers a reason 
for them to buy your next product.

And then, as they recover from the shock of meeting either a blowhard or the 
guy they should really hire, you move in just a bit, smile and shrug a tiny 
bit, and ask which of those areas he finds interesting and would like to talk 
about in some detail. You put the lead in his hands, and let him tell you what 
to say next.

I think that's a great approach. BTW, did I mention that I'm not employed now? 
Seriously, engineers usually are not adept salesmen, so whenever you get a 
chance, watch how good salesmen make a pitch and close a deal. Volunteer to do 
a field trip with your company's best salesman and observe how he does things; 
ask him about strategy and tactics. You might not think you are a salesman, but 
you are always selling yourself, always.

When I would be asked what I did, I would generally say that I was an EMC 
engineer, and I worked to make sure that electronic gadgets worked happily with 
other electronic gadgets. I would go on to say that, for instance, as a pilot 
gets ready to take off, he might dial in 15 degrees of wing flaps, and little 
electric motors in the airplane would move the wing flaps. And I was the one 
who made sure those motors didn't confuse the other circuits in the plane and 
accidently erase the navigation computer or command the wheels to fold up.

That was about the limit of average citizen's attention span, so you need to 
learn when to stop and change the subject, like asking them how they polish 
bowling balls or something.

Ed Price
WB6WSN
Chula Vista, CA USA

From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 6:18 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Job titles

All,

Of all the people on this forum I'm certain we all share to some extent the 
same quandary.

I am currently searching for work either as full time or as contract. Part of 
the coaching I received is to develop a 30 second elevator speech to describe 
myself to almost anyone. One of the difficulties I face is confusion about the 
general term Compliance Engineer.

Often I see people confuse this with a compliance officer in banking or a 
medical professional of some kind. A third possibility is some sort of a field 
auditor.

My question is, how do any of you express what you do to the uninitiated, 
whether in a job title or even to family and friends?

Thanks, - doug

Douglas Powell
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[PSES] Importer on Record in Korea required for 12vdc adapter

[Chris]

Folks,
 
we are trying to get a 12VDC adapter certified for KC in Korea.
our power adapter vendor has asked us to give them in-country rep for Korea?
 
Can someone share their experience about this new KC rule for dc adapter 
certification in Korea?
 
I was aware of Japan Meti process for IoR as per Dennan Law.
Thank you in advance for your feedback/comments.
 
Christopher

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[PSES] Looking for an experienced Mechnacial Engineer

[Chris]

Folks,

Wanted to pass this along if you know a ME friend looking to be involved in 
development of 802.11 based wireless indoor and outdoor AP’s, wireless 
broadband routers and switch products in Sunnyvale, California. 


Details for the position can be viewed at 
https://careers-aerohive.icims.com/jobs/1283/mechanical-engineer/job

send me you resume and I can forward it over to hiring manager for quick review.

Regards

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Re: [PSES] ErP and Inappropriate for Intended Use

[Wordley, Chris]

Hi Scott

A couple of things to be aware of:

1) Official guidance on the current regulation is here: 
http://ec.europa.eu/energy/efficiency/ecodesign/doc/legislation/guidelines_for_smes_1275_2008_okt_09.pdf
 

2) A revised regulation 1275/2008 was agreed in March this year and is expected 
to be published in the OJ next month. The revision covers networked standby 
i.e.  when devices need to be able to resume functions following a trigger from 
a network. The new requirements take effect from 1st January 2015. 

Chris

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Sent: 01 August 2013 04:17
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: ErP and Inappropriate for Intended Use

For ErP requirements, Commission Regulation 1275/2008 has these two points:

(c) Availability of off mode and/or standby mode Equipment shall, except where 
this is inappropriate for the intended use, provide off mode and/or standby 
mode, and/or another condition...

and

(d) Power management
When equipment is not providing the main function, or when other energy-using 
product(s) are not dependent on its functions, equipment shall, unless 
inappropriate for the intended use, offer a power management function, or a 
similar function...

Who determines and how does one justify inappropriate for the intended use 
option?

I have two cases. One involves a touch panel for user input. Marketing types 
say they cannot sell a touch panel that takes more than a second to respond. 
The second case involves a wireless (2.4 GHz) function. 
Again the marketeers say that they cannot sell something that takes 20 seconds 
to wake from standby. So where or how does one justify that? And how does one 
get that justification approved?

Continuing, how does one write the DofC? Do you include the Directive/standard 
used to show compliance and add a statement that ErP is inappropriate? Or does 
one just leave the ErP Directive/standard out of the DofC completely?

In a variation of the wireless case, consider wireless audio. The receiver 
never knows when a user will send audio to the receiver. So the receiver must 
be on all the time to be able to play that incoming audio whenever the user 
requests it. But when the wireless is on, the unit cannot consume less than the 
proscribed 0.5W. Close, but no cigar. So in this case, can we say the unit is 
on all the time and we have a manual (means to go standby or off)? And that 
there is no automatic means to go standby or off because the radio is always 
listening for the incoming signal? Is that compliant with Phase 2?

This years development cycle seems to be all about gray places. We are not 
computers, servers, set top boxes or anything like that. But they are adding 
wireless to a bunch of stuff that never had it before so going to sleep has 
been vetoed by the marketeers. How does one make compliant product in these 
type of cases?

As always, looking forward to your creative replies. And as always, thanks in 
advance for your comments.

Regards,
Scott

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[PSES] Regulatory Statement per Japan MIC

[Chris]

Grace 

We did a 2.4GHz MIC certification last month in Kobe city, Japan and lab told 
be to put the mark and for indoor use on label.
no additional statement in manual required.
hope this info help you.

Christopher


 From: Grace Lin graceli...@gmail.com
To: emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org 
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 3:57 AM
Subject: Fwd: Regulatory Statement per Japan MIC
 


FYI.  Our agent in Asia informs us there is no regulatory statement required 
for 2.4 GHz devices. 


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From: Grace Lin graceli...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 7:15 AM
Subject: Regulatory Statement per Japan MIC
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Dear Members,
 
Is there any regulatory statement need to be included in the manual per Japan 
MIC for wireless products?  
 
Thank you very much.
 
Best regards,
Grace Lin

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Re: [PSES] Power distribution submetering application - Safety standard for Instrument Current Transformers on mains relative to IEC/EN/UL61010-1 3rd 61010-2-030?

[Chris Wells]

Thanks John
Besides 
IEC 60044-8.  the general transformer standard 
IEC 61558-1, -2.4 and -2.6 

I was also advised to consider

EN61869-1:2009 - Instrument Transformers, General Requirements 
EN61869-2:2012 - Instrument Transformers, Additional Requirements for
Current Transformers.

Chris Wells
Eaton

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Subject: Re: Power distribution submetering application - Safety standard
for Instrument Current Transformers on mains relative to IEC/EN/UL61010-1
3rd  61010-2-030?

In message 4DA8FE10C88F443E988CA5E66A960CE9@christopher, dated Thu, 18 
Jul 2013, Chris Wells radioactive55...@comcast.net writes:

what standard would be best to use to validate/control the CT 
production as a separate independent component?

There is an IEC standard specifically for current transformers and it 
does address safety issues. IEC 60044-8.  There is also the general 
transformer standard, of which IEC 61558-1, -2.4 and -2.6 may be 
applicable.
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[PSES] Power distribution submetering application - Safety standard for Instrument Current Transformers on mains relative to IEC/EN/UL61010-1 3rd 61010-2-030?

[Chris Wells]

In load side power distribution industrial/commercial electrical
sub-metering applications (feeder and branch circuits)we use
IEC/EN/UL61010-1 3rd (plus 61010-2-030 for the current transformers (CT)) to
evaluate our meter's safety design.  In this application the instrument
current transformer sensors typically sit on the power load cables of
120-347VL:N /208-600VL:L mains in panel boards and switch panels at the
feeding breaker.  

The CT goes over the power cable's insulating sheath but may be located near
the point where the power cable is stripped and inserted into the breaker
lug and so the value of the cable's sheath is not considered in this
evaluation.  The meter's input is the secondary of these CT circuits without
any additional isolation; therefore the CT must provide all of the
isolation.  Safety design wise this ends up requiring double/reinforced
isolation for 600V and Over Voltage CAT III (metering category CAT III)
between the primary and secondary circuits of the CT.

We have evaluated a group of CTs along with our submeter as a system however
I would like to have some independence from this system approach with our CT
vendors.  In review with UL they said if we required the CTs to be validated
to provide double/reinforced isolation for 600V CATIII then we should
satisfy the requirements of our submeter. 

Many of the CT vendors in the USA use IEEE C57.13 to evaluate their CTs.
This is not an European safety standard with the concept of isolation
redundancy in it.  Some of the designs may meet the physical requirements of
providing double/reinforced isolation for 600V CATIII but need a standard
to be reviewed/validated to.  61010 works for the submeter and the CTs as a
system but what standard would be best to use to validate/control the CT
production as a separate independent component?  

Chris Wells
Eaton

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Re: [PSES] NRTL requiring duplicate testing

[Chris]

 
Carl,
 
you not alone dealing with such issues.
 
Similar rules also apply to the PSE marketed wall-wort power supply in Japan.
We are also facing 100% dielectric voltage withstand testing be repeated on all 
in coming power supplies

Our porduct is a WiFi a/b/g/n device. 
I guess the Denon Law prevails and Meti is the agency that is responsible.
 
This process adds cost to our 12Vdc power supply.
Labor in Japan is not cheap.
 
Christopher


 From: Carl Newton emcl...@gmail.com
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG 
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 11:54 AM
Subject: NRTL requiring duplicate testing
  
Customer has a medical wall-wort power supply that has the typical NRTL (call 
them NRTL1) safety mark that you’d expect to see on a power supply marketed 
within the USA.  Customer’s entire device is located within the secondary of 
that wall-wort power supply and includes no connections to other mains 
connected devices.  
 
Now another one of the large well-known NRTLs (I’ll call them NRTL2) which is 
handling the AAMI 60601-1 project for customer’s end product is requiring that 
100% dielectric voltage withstand testing be repeated on the power supplies.  
The power supply manufacturer has provided sections of their NRTL1 File that 
details the requirement for 100% testing of their supply in manufacturing as 
well as the voltage amplitude and duration required.  Still, customer’s NRTL2 
is demanding that this test be repeated upon 100% of the power supplies at 
customer’s premises.  It appears that I have no choice but to agree to repeat 
the additional testing.  This adds cost to manufacturing and flies in the face 
of great efforts on the part of American manufacturers that try to keep their 
operations within the USA by maximizing productivity.  I’ve worked on many 
other projects with wall-wort and external brick power supplies with other 
NRTLs and this has never
 been a requirement.
 
I try to keep an open mind even when I’m disagreed with.  But I think that this 
is the first time in my 30ish years of compliance work that I’ve seen 
engineering judgment completely thrown out the window.  I’m interested in other 
points of view.
 
Carl
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[PSES] Wifi Alliance testing for 11ac in Bay area

[Chris]

 
does anyone konow of a lab in Bay area that can do the  wifi alliance testing 
for 11ac?
please contact me/email me the contact info.
 
thanks in advance?
 
Regards
 
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[PSES] Test lab acceptability query

[Chris]

Is Malaysia among the restricted countries on US list?

I remember some years ago that our Firewall appliances product assembled in 
Malaysia could not be sold to US government so we started assembly in KY to 
meet US commerce department requirement.

Last week I was told that we cannot ship a 24 port Ethernet switch to South 
Korea and need US govt permission. But we can ship to EU and AS/NZS.


US Compliance engineers today needs to understand international laws, Political 
Laws, US export law, MTBF, Packaging, RF, EMI/EMC, product safety, Conflict 
materials rules (extraction of Material from Congo basin), WEEE, RoHs, HS 
code.Rogue export country list, keeping up to date with the changes in 
compliance rules every year is a big job. Some companies have only 1 or 2 
compliance persons completing all these wonderful jobs.


At the end compliance engineers don't get the rewards they really deserve.
.

lets keep up the good work for the Safety of mankind and our environment.

regards

Christopher


 From: Cortland Richmond k...@earthlink.net
To: emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org 
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: Test lab acceptability query
 

Malaysia being a Muslim country, it may be boycotting Israeli products and 
services.  Cooperation with the boycott may be illegal for US firms. See
http://www.bis.doc.gov/complianceandenforcement/antiboycottcompliance.htm

excerpt:
 
Antiboycott Compliance 
The Bureau is charged with administering and enforcing the Antiboycott Laws 
under the Export Administration Act.Those laws discourage, and in some 
circumstances, prohibit U.S. companies from furthering or supporting the 
boycott of Israel sponsored by the Arab League, and certain Moslem countries, 
including complying with certain requests for information designed to verify 
compliance with the boycott. Compliance with such requests may be prohibited by 
the Export Administration Regulations (EAR) and may be reportable to the 
Bureau. 
Of course, no one can make Malaysia accept an Isaeli product or
  service if they do not want to accept it.

Cortland Richmond


On 3/15/2013 1013, Ron Pickard RPQ wrote:

 
To all,
I’ve been asked by a colleague to verify what he has recently learned, which 
is in Malaysia, a ruling by SIRIM does not recognize regulatory certification 
test reports from any Israeli certification lab.
 
Is this based in truth or is this something of a fabrication? If this is true, 
does anyone have an official reference for that ruling? Also, how widespread 
is this sort of thing in other countries?
 
I would like to know of any experiences or knowledge anyone has on this. 
Please let me know.
 
I look forward to your reply.
 
Best regards,
 
Ron Pickard
 

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[PSES] What is driving 600V control wire ratings in USA Low Voltage Power Distribution Gear?

[Chris Wells]

Power Distribution Gear at the low voltage load side is typically 277VL:N
and 480VL:L. I am talking specifically about panel, switch gear, motor
control centers, Transfer switches etc. 

Why is the control wiring in these applications often specified in these
applications at 600V, wouldn't 300V be adequate?  Note that the control
wiring is forced to stay clear of the power cabling.  My thinking is that
the L:N =~ L:G voltage rating should be the driving issue here.

One of my co-workers found some reference that tied wire protection to the
voltage rating.  That if it took longer to clear long delay type faults then
the voltage rating had to be increased by a proportional amount.

Another reality could be some tie to ungrounded power systems and a fault to
ground condition that would then rise the other lines to the L:L voltage =
480V.  Similar would be a Line to Neutral fault that could push the other
L:N voltage to 480 till the fault clears.

All of this becomes rather important when trying to use communication cables
in distribution gear.  The NEC understands CM 300V cables where the
conductors are power/voltage limited and the rating is more for the sheath.
It does not have a similar CM+ 600V rating.  

The majority of the control wire bundles in the gear are 600V and so by
association the coms cables need to be too.  The gear does not have nice
portioned areas for coms typically.  As a result we play around with other
NEC ratings to get 600V where the power/voltage limitation is not recognized
like TC and the cables are big.  For example serial asynch RS485 Modbus RTU
to a meter, Belden has a 3074F I believe that is 600V TC rated and is pricey
and the size of my index finger

Your thoughts?

Chris Wells
Eaton Corp.

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[PSES] JATE certificate for Wifi access point

[Chris]

Folks,
 
I need some confirmation from our JATE certification folks for Wifi only device.
We have a 802.11 a/b/g/n access point and have got the MIC certification.
 
Our Customer in Japan is asking for JATE certification also.
We do not have any telecom ports only 2.4GHz and 5Ghz radios in our device.
anyone familar with article 9?
 
Can a US manafacturer apply for JATE certificate as it is not applicable to 
Wifi device and pay the Jate  fees.
 
any REAL Jate experience help is appreceiated.
 
I have spoken to two MIC approved TCB, but still no answer to satisfy my 
customer in Japan.
 
Regards
 
Christopher
408-470-4915 



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[PSES] EMC,Radio, and Safety Requirements for Brazil

[Chris]

Based on my recent experience with Anatel.
Brazil Radio standard Resolutions are in Portuguese.
I tried to use Google to translate but but the meaning was not the same.

In the end I called the lab in Brazil to help me understand it.
certification process is a 3 month process.
Christopher



 From: itl-emc user group itl...@itl.co.il
To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' emc-p...@ieee.org 
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 8:37 AM
Subject: EMC,Radio, and Safety Requirements for Brazil
 

 
Hello,
Can someone point me in the right direction concerning applicable standards for 
Brazil for EMC, Radio and Safety testing of ITE, Medical, Industrial equipment, 
household appliances, etc. 
Thanks in advance.
 
Regards,
David Shidlowsky| Technical Writer
Address1 Bat-Sheva St. POB 87, LOD 71100 Israel
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[PSES] FCC IC and Product Information

[Chris]

 
 
Good to get updated info about IC, Dennis. 
 
Is there a fee to request a  RF test report from Industry Canada?
what is the process to get a copy of a IC test report may help many 
manafacturers/test labs.
 
We do file confidentiality for our Block diagram, Schematic, theory of 
operation to IC.
Not sure what part is kept confidential?
 
Regards
 
Christopher  


 From: Dward dw...@pctestlab.com
To: rpick...@rpqconsulting.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG 
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 9:35 AM
Subject: RE: [PSES] FCC  IC and Product Information
  
Sorry Ron but your information is quite outdated.
It should not be assumed that Canada is a slam dunk for confidentiality or that 
all documents can be held confidential.  While it is true that Canada (IC) does 
not go out of its way to make documents available, Canada does have a right to 
access law, and Canadians can request documents that do not have 
confidentiality requested by the manufacturer.
Also, due to this “Right to know” law, Canada, at least recently, has refused 
to accept confidentiality to test reports, user manuals, internal and external 
photos. 
 
They allow confidentiality for block diagrams, schematics, operational 
descriptions, parts lists and tune up procedures.  Canada also does NOT have a 
temporary confidentiality system.
 
A Canadian confidentiality request can contain items such as manuals and 
internal photos, but before this is granted, IC must be contacted directly on a 
case by case basis.  The days of everything confidential in Canada is over. 
Thanks 
Dennis Ward
Senior Certification Engineer
PCTEST
This communication and its attachments contain information from PCTEST 
Engineering Laboratory, Inc., and is intended for the exclusive use of the 
recipient (s) named above. It may contain information that is confidential 
and/or legally privileged. Any unauthorized use that may compromise that 
confidentiality via distribution or disclosure is prohibited. Please notify the 
sender immediately if you receive this communication in error, and delete it 
from your computer system.  
 
From:Ron Pickard RPQ [mailto:rpick...@rpqconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 9:13 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] FCC  IC and Product Information
 
Previous contributors have given good information and I’ve had no experience in 
which a TCB or the FCC have charged extra for a confidentiality request.
 
Here in the USA, details of what can/cannot be held confidential and under what 
conditions are generally found in FCC Part 0 (0.457-0.459 I believe). Also 
refer to Public Notice DA 04-1705 and the FCC’s marketing regulations found in 
FCC Part 2.803 for further guidance.
 
In Canada, requests for 100% confidentiality are usually granted by Industry 
Canada (mostly because they don’t make any documents available on their REL 
listings page anyway).
 
IHTH.
 
I look forward to your reply.
 
Best regards,
 
Ron Pickard
 
From:emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Michael Derby
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:43 AM
To: 'itl-emc user group'; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] FCC  IC and Product Information
 
Hello,
 
You cannot get confidentiality or even short term confidentiality on a test 
report.   
You can’t keep the results private, sorry.
 
David is correct in his summary below.
 
Michael.
 
 
Michael Derby
Regulatory Engineer
ACB Europe
 
From:itl-emc user group [mailto:itl...@itl.co.il] 
Sent: 30 January 2013 05:15
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] FCC  IC and Product Information
 
In my experience, TCB’s don’t charge extra for confidentiality unlike the FCC.
I have not heard of short term confidentiality for a test report.
Internal photos can be kept confidential only under certain circumstances such 
as the device being filled and sealed with epoxy. Permanent confidentiality 
request for schematics, block diagram and parts list is given without any 
problem. 
 
Regards,
David Shidlowsky| Technical Writer
Address1 Bat-Sheva St. POB 87, LOD 71100 Israel
Tel972-8-9186113 Fax 972-8-9153101
mail...@itl.co.il/dav...@itl.co.il  Web www.itl.co.il
 
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From:emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Mark Gandler
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 9:50 PM
To: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: RE: [PSES] FCC  IC and Product Information
 
You can submit 180 days Short term request for confidentiality pretty much on 
most of the  information (phots, manuals, test setup) and later on ask for 90 
days extension.
The longer the request higher the fee
 
There is also an option for permanent confidentiality request on some of the 
more critical info: block diagram, schematics. There is also a fee for that. 
 
Mark



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Subject: RE: [PSES] FCC  IC and Product Information
Date: 

[PSES] FCC plan to open New 5GHz band for WiFi

[Chris]

Folks,
 
I saw the comments below in FCC Jan 9, 2013 news?
 Chairman Genachowski said that the FCC will take the first steps next month 
to unleash up to 195
megahertz of spectrum in the 5 gigahertz band. This would be the largest block 
of unlicensed spectrum to
be made available for expansion of Wi-Fi since 2003.
 
FCC will open “New” 5GHz band for WiFi
devices.
w   5350-5470MHz
w   5850-5925MHz
 
will part of the 5350-5470MHz band be included in DFS band?
good to get 5850-5925MHz open for WiFi use.
 
regards
 
Christopher

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[PSES] HW engineer position open at Aerohive Networks

[Chris]

Folks,
 
we have one position coming up for a senior HW engineer.
 
some early details I just got are listed below. 
 
The HW engr. position will be up on our home page next week.
http://www.aerohive.com/company/careers/engineering

QUALIFICATIONS:
Networking industry experience with one of Wireless AP’s, Routers or Switches 
is required.  
* Digital Engineering knowledge is required. 
* Good working knowledge of RF Engineering, Antenna engineering is a 
big plus.  
* Good understanding of IEEE 802.11 standard is desired. 
* Good understanding of 802.3af/at standard (POE) and applicable 
circuit design for PSE and PD devices is desired. 
* Good knowledge and experience with high speed board design techniques 
including power regulators, bypassing, oscillator applications, differential 
signaling and sensitive analog interfaces. 
· Hands-on working experience in
high-speed signal integrity, in particular PCIe and DDR related areas.
· Perform DVT on digital boards,
and working with RF engineer in system level performance evaluation.
· Detail oriented, and ability to
do bench rework when necessary.
Experience in dealing transformer/magnetics and with associated EMI issues.
* Current experience with high speed CPU’s for embedded applications is 
desired. 
* Experience in design of DDR memory arrays, NOR/NAND Flash devices,  
* Practical skills in using Linux OS is a plus. 
* Programming skills with scripting languages or PC applications is a 
plus. 
* Experience using lab test equipment like Digital Oscilloscopes, 
Spectrum Analyzer, Logic Analyzers, etc. is required. 
* Candidate must have excellent interpersonal communication skills, be 
a self-starter and a good team player.    
EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE
BSEE, MSEE preferred with at least 5 years of recent and direct experience
with tasks detailed in Qualifications.

 If you know of someone looking to move to Sunnyvale, California send their 
resumes over. 
 
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408-470-4915

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