Re: 60950-1: definiton of HAZARDOUS VOLTAGE SECONDARY CIRCUIT

2001-12-05 Thread VitoGL

The term is concatenation of two other terms.  HAZARDOUS VOLTAGE  is defined in 
1.2.8.5, SECONDARY CIRCUIT is defined in 1.2.8.4.  

vgl

In a message dated Tue, 4 Dec 2001  7:34:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, MCA 
Compliance bally...@iolfree.ie writes:

 
 Clause 7.1 of 60950-1 (at least in the FDIS draft circulated on Jul 6 2001)
 refers to a HAZARDOUS VOLTAGE SECONDARY CIRCUIT.
 
 A definition for this type of circuit is not included in the definitions
 section.
 
 Can anybody help with defining this ?
 
 Brian
 


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Re: [Fwd: clearance and working voltage]

2001-11-29 Thread VitoGL

Rich and Xing,

No arguments from me about the clearance of 4.4 mm for reinforced.  The other 
6.4 mm clearance requirement is probably a misapplication of the clarance rules 
using the 840 v peak row of Table 3H.

I think the original question may also need to consider creepage requirements.  
Then again, maybe not.  Can the inside of an ac adapter be considered a 
pollution degree 1 environment?  If so, the creepages are determined using the 
clearance table.  Has anyone taken this approach?  I presume no ventillation 
openings are allowed?  How good a seal is needed for the enclosure halves and 
connectors/output cables?

vgl

In a message dated Wed, 28 Nov 2001  7:50:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, Rich 
Nute ri...@sdd.hp.com writes:

 Hi Xing Weibing:
 
 
 Here is my answer to the question.
 
 Hi group I have a question regarding clearance and working voltage of
IEC60950. If I HAVE A AC ADAPTER(AC 100-240V 50/60Hz) ,THE WORKING
VOLTAGE MEASURED ARE AS FOLLOWS: Nominal supply voltage: AC240V PRIMARY
AND SECONDARY : 364V(RMS), 540V(PEAK) MEASURED clearance: 5.3mm I HAVE
READ SOME CB TEST REPORT FOR THIS THIS SITUATION: SOME REQUIRE: MINIMUM
CLEARANCE 4.0+0.4mmother require: minimium clearance 6.4mm which is
correct for this situation?  regards Xingwbbtiep2001-11-28
 
 Since the product is an adapter, I will assume that
 the question addresses clearance between the mains
 circuit and a SELV secondary circuit.
 
 I will also assume that the applicable standard is
 IEC 60950, either 
 
 2nd Ed (Tables 3 and 4) or 
 3rd Ed (Tables 2H and 2J).
 
 The parameters are:
 
 nominal mains voltage: 240 V rms
340 V peak
 working voltage:   364 V rms
540 V peak
 
 The problem is confused because there is 
 
 a set of requirements for working voltage, 
 in Table 3/H, and 
 
 a set of requirements for peak working voltage, 
 Table 4/2J.  
 
 (The 2nd Ed. refers to repetitive peak voltage; 
 the 3rd Ed refers to peak working voltage.)
 
 According to the standard, if the peak value of the
 working voltage exceeds the peak value of the mains
 voltage, then the working voltage in Table 3/2H is 
 taken as the mains voltage.  Then, the peak working
 voltage (aka repetitive peak voltage) is used in
 Table 4/2J.
 
 In the example, the peak value of the working voltage
 exceeds the peak value of the mains voltage.
 
 The minimum clearance in Table 3/2H for 240 V mains
 and 240 V working is:
 
 4.0 mm reinforced
 2.0 mm basic/supplementary
 
 The additional clearance in Table 4/2J for 240 V mains
 and 540 V peak is:
 
 0.4 mm reinforced (567 V peak)
 0.2 mm basic/supplemenatry (567 V peak)
 
 So, the total clearance is:
 
 4.4 mm reinforced
 2.2 mm basic/supplementary.
 
 Arguments?  Another view or interpretation?
 
 
 Best regards,
 Rich
 
 
 
 
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Re: AW: Define Continuous DC Voltage

2001-11-14 Thread VitoGL

John, Rich;

Could either of you clarify why a double insulated SELV circuit can not be 
grounded?  Is it a 60950 based or based on some other performance(?) based 
requirements?

thx,
vgl

In a message dated Tue, 13 Nov 2001  7:51:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, Rich 
Nute ri...@sdd.hp.com writes:

 Hi John:
 
..
 
Well, perhaps I have made it clearer now. My beef with SELV is the ban
on grounding, whereas PELV which is grounded AND double/reinforced
insulated is clearly safer for systems extended in space.
 
 Agreed.  In the products I deal with, this is our construction.
 However, we do not test the capability of the ungrounded PELV
 pole to carry fault current.
 
 
 Best regards,
 Rich
 


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