Re: [PSES] EN 61010-1 under LVD and Functional safety

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Thank you all emails with your advices?
About Pressure Equipment Directive, I have review H-04 and I don’t see any 
indication of Functional Safety??
Thank you

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Daniel Rodríguez


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Did you look at the EU Pressure Equipment Directive 2014/68/EU. They have a 
guideline for it, Read Guideline H-04
It addresses wording in Annex I and Annex III of the PED
< 
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Thanks,
David

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Thank you all!!
Any other recommendations how to justify functional safety check for non 
Machinery?
Thank you for your support!

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Daniel Rodríguez

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Re: [PSES] EN 61010-1 under LVD and Functional safety

[David Huff]

Did you look at the EU Pressure Equipment Directive 2014/68/EU. They have a 
guideline for it, Read Guideline H-04
It addresses wording in Annex I and Annex III of the PED
< 
https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/41641/attachments/1/translations/en/renditions/native>

Thanks,
David

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Subject: Re: [PSES] EN 61010-1 under LVD and Functional safety

Thank you all!!
Any other recommendations how to justify functional safety check for non 
Machinery?
Thank you for your support!

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Daniel Rodríguez


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Re: [PSES] EN 61010-1 under LVD and Functional safety

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Thank you all!!
Any other recommendations how to justify functional safety check for non 
Machinery?
Thank you for your support!

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Daniel Rodríguez


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Brian is correct regarding risk assessment under 61010-1 (and I had to make, 
and prove, that “point” to my last contract employer – and without doing that, 
some of their products could never be legitimately certified to the previous 
edition of that standard) , but, frankly, the same is true (or should be, even 
if not specifically referenced ) for any safety (and possibly other categories 
of ) standards.

Thus one needs to consider, and prove compliance with, any likely-relevant 
standards, and any “not mentioned in the standard” risks that are unique to 
“your product” , or, otherwise, you may  risk some form of legal action if 
“something goes wrong” and damage /environmental damage / injury /death then 
ensues – “We never thought that could happen” probably won’t “cut the mustard” 
if it comes to a court action, and the penalties may then be very severe.

John E Allen
W. London, UK.

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Sent: 15 June 2021 21:10
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: Re: [PSES] EN 61010-1 under LVD and Functional safety

IEC/EN/UL 61010-1 standard in section 17 states that if there is a hazard not 
addressed by the standard that you must perform a risk assessment.  In a note, 
it lists some Risk Assessment standards, but the most used and current standard 
is the ISO 12100 which calls out many other standards including the ISO 13849-1.

Hope this is helpful.

The Other Brian

On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 9:48 AM Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP) 
<123de38bd494-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org<mailto:123de38bd494-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org>>
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Good morning all
We have a system that generates a chemical but without pumps and only electro 
valves as moving part. The system has been checked for EN 61010-1
There is a risk that an hazardous gas release can happen and we have a gas 
detector for that.
The question is that as it is not a Machinery (no moving part) , don’t we need 
to apply functional safety under EN 13849-1 and confirm the Performance Level 
of the Safety Control?

EN 61010-1 doesn’t refer to functional safety and only list IEC 61508 in 
bibliography...

Thank you for your answers!

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Daniel Rodríguez
Sr. Equipment Compliance Specialist EMEA
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Re: [PSES] EN 61010-1 under LVD and Functional safety

[John E Allen]

Brian is correct regarding risk assessment under 61010-1 (and I had to make, 
and prove, that “point” to my last contract employer – and without doing that, 
some of their products could never be legitimately certified to the previous 
edition of that standard) , but, frankly, the same is true (or should be, even 
if not specifically referenced ) for any safety (and possibly other categories 
of ) standards.

 

Thus one needs to consider, and prove compliance with, any likely-relevant 
standards, and any “not mentioned in the standard” risks that are unique to 
“your product” , or, otherwise, you may  risk some form of legal action if 
“something goes wrong” and damage /environmental damage / injury /death then 
ensues – “We never thought that could happen” probably won’t “cut the mustard” 
if it comes to a court action, and the penalties may then be very severe.

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK.

 

From: Brian Kunde  
Sent: 15 June 2021 21:10
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EN 61010-1 under LVD and Functional safety

 

IEC/EN/UL 61010-1 standard in section 17 states that if there is a hazard not 
addressed by the standard that you must perform a risk assessment.  In a note, 
it lists some Risk Assessment standards, but the most used and current standard 
is the ISO 12100 which calls out many other standards including the ISO 
13849-1.  

 

Hope this is helpful.

 

The Other Brian

 

On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 9:48 AM Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP) 
<123de38bd494-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org 
<mailto:123de38bd494-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> > wrote:

Good morning all

We have a system that generates a chemical but without pumps and only electro 
valves as moving part. The system has been checked for EN 61010-1

There is a risk that an hazardous gas release can happen and we have a gas 
detector for that.

The question is that as it is not a Machinery (no moving part) , don’t we need 
to apply functional safety under EN 13849-1 and confirm the Performance Level 
of the Safety Control?

 

EN 61010-1 doesn’t refer to functional safety and only list IEC 61508 in 
bibliography...

 

Thank you for your answers!

 

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen

 

Daniel Rodríguez

Sr. Equipment Compliance Specialist EMEA

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Re: [PSES] EN 61010-1 under LVD and Functional safety

[Brian Kunde]

IEC/EN/UL 61010-1 standard in section 17 states that if there is a hazard
not addressed by the standard that you must perform a risk assessment.  In
a note, it lists some Risk Assessment standards, but the most used and
current standard is the ISO 12100 which calls out many other standards
including the ISO 13849-1.

Hope this is helpful.

The Other Brian

On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 9:48 AM Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP) <
123de38bd494-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> wrote:

> Good morning all
>
> We have a system that generates a chemical but without pumps and only
> electro valves as moving part. The system has been checked for EN 61010-1
>
> There is a risk that an hazardous gas release can happen and we have a gas
> detector for that.
>
> The question is that as it is not a Machinery (no moving part) , don’t we
> need to apply functional safety under EN 13849-1 and confirm the
> Performance Level of the Safety Control?
>
>
>
> EN 61010-1 doesn’t refer to functional safety and only list IEC 61508 in
> bibliography...
>
>
>
> Thank you for your answers!
>
>
>
> Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
>
>
>
> *Daniel Rodríguez*
>
> Sr. Equipment Compliance Specialist EMEA
>
> *T* +34 673556249
>
> *E *drodrig...@ecolab.com
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[PSES] EN 61010-1 under LVD and Functional safety

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Good morning all
We have a system that generates a chemical but without pumps and only electro 
valves as moving part. The system has been checked for EN 61010-1
There is a risk that an hazardous gas release can happen and we have a gas 
detector for that.
The question is that as it is not a Machinery (no moving part) , don't we need 
to apply functional safety under EN 13849-1 and confirm the Performance Level 
of the Safety Control?

EN 61010-1 doesn't refer to functional safety and only list IEC 61508 in 
bibliography...

Thank you for your answers!

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Daniel Rodríguez
Sr. Equipment Compliance Specialist EMEA
T +34 673556249
E drodrig...@ecolab.com
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