[PSES] SV: [PSES] IP Code Question

2022-02-15 Thread Amund Westin 
IP66 is for harsh outdoor conditions (industrial, offshore, ships, carwash, 
etc.)

IPX6 : powerful water jets (water hose :100 liters / minute).

 

IP67 (temporary immersion in water) 

 

Best regards Amund

 

 

 

Fra: sudhakar wasnik 
Sendt: 14. februar 2022 22:57
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Emne: Re: [PSES] IP Code Question

 

“Outdoor “ …IP …  will it withstand the “ flash rain, or severe rainfall 
leading to flooding…

 

Kind Regards,

Sudhakar 

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On Feb 14, 2022, at 12:56 PM, Charlie Blackham mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com> > wrote:

 

I generally see outdoor telecoms enclosures specified and tested to IP66 or 
IP67, or NEMA 4X, but EN 60950-22:2006 and EN 62368-1:2020 only required IP54 
to provide PD2 environment.

 

Best regards

Charlie

 

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Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247

 

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I agree wit Ted Eckert on this. Generally for outdoor use you’d need IP65 at 
least.

 

Doug Nix

 

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On 14-Feb-22, at 09:23, Brian Kunde mailto:bkundew...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

An IP code of IPx2 implies the enclosure protects against the ingress of water 
drops at 15° tilt.  Now, most PC enclosures protect the electronics from 
occasional exposure to water drops, but it is not designed to be exposed to 
water drops continuously.  So can you rate an electronic device IP22, for 
instance, but not intend it to be used outside or in an environment where it is 
exposed to water on a regular basis?

 

Thanks for your input.  

The Other Brian

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Re: [PSES] IP Code Question

2022-02-14 Thread sudhakar wasnik 
“Outdoor “ …IP …  will it withstand the “ flash rain, or severe rainfall 
leading to flooding…

Kind Regards,
Sudhakar 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 14, 2022, at 12:56 PM, Charlie Blackham  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I generally see outdoor telecoms enclosures specified and tested to IP66 or 
> IP67, or NEMA 4X, but EN 60950-22:2006 and EN 62368-1:2020 only required IP54 
> to provide PD2 environment.
>  
> Best regards
> Charlie
>  
> Charlie Blackham
> Sulis Consultants Ltd
> Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317
> Web: https://sulisconsultants.com/
> Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247
>  
> From: Douglas Nix <0bb8ff993b10-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> 
> Sent: 14 February 2022 19:35
> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> Subject: Re: [PSES] IP Code Question
>  
> I agree wit Ted Eckert on this. Generally for outdoor use you’d need IP65 at 
> least.
>  
> Doug Nix
>  
> "The most wasted of all days is one without laughter.” — e.e. cummings.
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On 14-Feb-22, at 09:23, Brian Kunde  wrote:
>  
> An IP code of IPx2 implies the enclosure protects against the ingress of 
> water drops at 15° tilt.  Now, most PC enclosures protect the electronics 
> from occasional exposure to water drops, but it is not designed to be exposed 
> to water drops continuously.  So can you rate an electronic device IP22, for 
> instance, but not intend it to be used outside or in an environment where it 
> is exposed to water on a regular basis?
>  
> Thanks for your input.  
> The Other Brian
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Re: [PSES] IP Code Question

2022-02-14 Thread Charlie Blackham 
I generally see outdoor telecoms enclosures specified and tested to IP66 or 
IP67, or NEMA 4X, but EN 60950-22:2006 and EN 62368-1:2020 only required IP54 
to provide PD2 environment.

Best regards
Charlie

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Sent: 14 February 2022 19:35
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Subject: Re: [PSES] IP Code Question

I agree wit Ted Eckert on this. Generally for outdoor use you’d need IP65 at 
least.

Doug Nix

"The most wasted of all days is one without laughter.” — e.e. cummings.




On 14-Feb-22, at 09:23, Brian Kunde 
mailto:bkundew...@gmail.com>> wrote:

An IP code of IPx2 implies the enclosure protects against the ingress of water 
drops at 15° tilt.  Now, most PC enclosures protect the electronics from 
occasional exposure to water drops, but it is not designed to be exposed to 
water drops continuously.  So can you rate an electronic device IP22, for 
instance, but not intend it to be used outside or in an environment where it is 
exposed to water on a regular basis?

Thanks for your input.
The Other Brian
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Re: [PSES] IP Code Question

2022-02-14 Thread Douglas Nix 
I agree wit Ted Eckert on this. Generally for outdoor use you’d need IP65 at 
least.

Doug Nix

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> On 14-Feb-22, at 09:23, Brian Kunde  wrote:
> 
> An IP code of IPx2 implies the enclosure protects against the ingress of 
> water drops at 15° tilt.  Now, most PC enclosures protect the electronics 
> from occasional exposure to water drops, but it is not designed to be exposed 
> to water drops continuously.  So can you rate an electronic device IP22, for 
> instance, but not intend it to be used outside or in an environment where it 
> is exposed to water on a regular basis?
> 
> Thanks for your input.
> The Other Brian
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Re: [PSES] IP Code Question

2022-02-14 Thread Don Gies 
I have seen large industrial UPSs or battery chargers that have IP22 roofs.  
The roofs cover over fan grilles on the top, leaving approx. 50 mm of air for 
ventilation.

Though they may be used to stop water drips or condensation coming off pipes, 
they are mostly intended to keep cut stranded wires, small objects, screws, 
dust, etc. out of the fan ducts.

They very unofficially serve as a place for electricians to sit while they are 
populating overhead cable trays or installing conduit.

Don Gies



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The IP ratings apply to continuous situations unless stated otherwise.  So IPX2 
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Best regards,

Mark Stultz


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Re: [PSES] IP Code Question

2022-02-14 Thread Stultz, Mark 
Hi Brian,
The IP ratings apply to continuous situations unless stated otherwise.  So IPX2 
means that water drops can be continuously falling at 3mm/min when the EUT is 
tilted up to 15°.  The test lasts for 2.5 minutes per side, but the environment 
is considered continuous.  For our machinery with IP32, we typically make sure 
that any water that enters the enclosure will be directly away from any 
components therein and toward drain holes at the bottom of the enclosure.

Best regards,

Mark Stultz


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An IP code of IPx2 implies the enclosure protects against the ingress of water 
drops at 15° tilt.  Now, most PC enclosures protect the electronics from 
occasional exposure to water drops, but it is not designed to be exposed to 
water drops continuously.  So can you rate an electronic device IP22, for 
instance, but not intend it to be used outside or in an environment where it is 
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Thanks for your input.
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Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] [PSES] IP Code Question

2022-02-14 Thread Ted Eckert 
Hi Brian,

It is reasonable to state that an IP22 device is not intended for outdoor use 
or where exposed to water. A much higher IP rating would be required for 
reliable operation outdoors, and most people who purchase outdoor equipment 
would not accept a product with only an IP22 rating.

Ted Eckert
The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily represent those of my 
employer.

From: Brian Kunde 
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 6:23 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [PSES] IP Code Question

An IP code of IPx2 implies the enclosure protects against the ingress of water 
drops at 15° tilt.  Now, most PC enclosures protect the electronics from 
occasional exposure to water drops, but it is not designed to be exposed to 
water drops continuously.  So can you rate an electronic device IP22, for 
instance, but not intend it to be used outside or in an environment where it is 
exposed to water on a regular basis?

Thanks for your input.
The Other Brian
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[PSES] IP Code Question

2022-02-14 Thread Brian Kunde 
An IP code of IPx2 implies the enclosure protects against the ingress of
water drops at 15° tilt.  Now, most PC enclosures protect the electronics
from occasional exposure to water drops, but it is not designed to be
exposed to water drops continuously.  So can you rate an electronic device
IP22, for instance, but not intend it to be used outside or in an
environment where it is exposed to water on a regular basis?

Thanks for your input.
The Other Brian

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