Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code
Am not certain that ICS numbers are unique to the various versions of same standard, or if they have same ubiquity as an ISBN. You would have to ask someone at the ISO to be certain if other than a generic classification system. Brian -Original Message- From: Chuck August-McDowell [mailto:chu...@meyersound.com] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 1:37 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code Friday update. My friend at the two letter lab sent this note when I ask for the ISBN codes used for the standards on our CB certificate's; "The ISBN number is correct for the highlighted standard (IEC 62368-1) which is the one we used. Regarding the EN standard, we used DS/EN 62368-1 (August 2014); there is no ISBN noted for this one. There is an ICS number, ICS 33.160.01; 35.020..." So the ICS is new to me. Any feedback, experiences or comments on using ICS numbers? Wikipedia says; International Classification for Standards (ICS) is an international classification system for technical standards. It is designed to cover every economic sector and virtually every activity of the humankind where technical standards may be used. Respectfully yours, Chuck McDowell Compliance Specialist Meyer Sound Laboratories -Original Message- From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] Sent: 24 June, 2017 3:54 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code Interesting idea to use ISBN. It would be a unique identifier. I am curious to know what everyone feels is the best practice for sorting a database on harmonized standards. For example, all of the 61010-1 national derivatives and national differences for IEC, EN, ANSI, CSA, UL, etc. I have in a spreadsheet a separate publisher column and the base document number. I also track publication date and date of withdrawal, if available. I am a bit of a pack rat in this regard, I keep most of my data forever plus or minus a few decades. Sometimes when I have an updated publication available, I do a textual word by word comparison document to flag the differences. I am frequently surprised and the number of "editorial" changes that do not make it into the change logs or the magazine articles or even the big four certifying agencies here in the USA. Doug Original Message From: oconne...@tamuracorp.com Sent: June 23, 2017 6:18 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Reply-to: oconne...@tamuracorp.com Subject: Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code When you have bazillions of standards, the ISBN is handy as a unique identifier (unique and/or primary key), as each version has different reference; otherwise no other significant use. For example, an excerpt from my database: ISBN 9780580910234 BS EN 62368-1:2014 ISBN 9782832214053 IEC 62368-1 Edition 2.0 2014-02 ISBN 9782889106844 IEC 62368-1 Edition 1.0 2010-01 ISBN 97811554364159 CSA C22.2 NO. 60950-1B-07 Brian From: Chuck August-McDowell [mailto:chu...@meyersound.com] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 4:47 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code Greetings form Berkeley, Does using the International Standard Book Number (ISBN) 13 digit code work to organize your standard's collection? Thank you in advance for comments, Mr. Chuck McDowell Compliance Specialist Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail
Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code
ICS numbers are like library class numbers, Dewey of old. They only identify the subject, so several standards would have the same ICS code. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent. -Original Message- From: Chuck August-McDowell [mailto:chu...@meyersound.com] Sent: 14 July 2017 21:37 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code Friday update. My friend at the two letter lab sent this note when I ask for the ISBN codes used for the standards on our CB certificate's; "The ISBN number is correct for the highlighted standard (IEC 62368-1) which is the one we used. Regarding the EN standard, we used DS/EN 62368-1 (August 2014); there is no ISBN noted for this one. There is an ICS number, ICS 33.160.01; 35.020..." So the ICS is new to me. Any feedback, experiences or comments on using ICS numbers? Wikipedia says; International Classification for Standards (ICS) is an international classification system for technical standards. It is designed to cover every economic sector and virtually every activity of the humankind where technical standards may be used. Respectfully yours, Chuck McDowell Compliance Specialist Meyer Sound Laboratories -Original Message- From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] Sent: 24 June, 2017 3:54 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code Interesting idea to use ISBN. It would be a unique identifier. I am curious to know what everyone feels is the best practice for sorting a database on harmonized standards. For example, all of the 61010-1 national derivatives and national differences for IEC, EN, ANSI, CSA, UL, etc. I have in a spreadsheet a separate publisher column and the base document number. I also track publication date and date of withdrawal, if available. I am a bit of a pack rat in this regard, I keep most of my data forever plus or minus a few decades. Sometimes when I have an updated publication available, I do a textual word by word comparison document to flag the differences. I am frequently surprised and the number of "editorial" changes that do not make it into the change logs or the magazine articles or even the big four certifying agencies here in the USA. Doug Original Message From: oconne...@tamuracorp.com Sent: June 23, 2017 6:18 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Reply-to: oconne...@tamuracorp.com Subject: Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code When you have bazillions of standards, the ISBN is handy as a unique identifier (unique and/or primary key), as each version has different reference; otherwise no other significant use. For example, an excerpt from my database: ISBN 9780580910234 BS EN 62368-1:2014 ISBN 9782832214053 IEC 62368-1 Edition 2.0 2014-02 ISBN 9782889106844 IEC 62368-1 Edition 1.0 2010-01 ISBN 97811554364159 CSA C22.2 NO. 60950-1B-07 Brian From: Chuck August-McDowell [mailto:chu...@meyersound.com] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 4:47 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code Greetings form Berkeley, Does using the International Standard Book Number (ISBN) 13 digit code work to organize your standard's collection? Thank you in advance for comments, Mr. Chuck McDowell Compliance Specialist Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-ps
Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code
Friday update. My friend at the two letter lab sent this note when I ask for the ISBN codes used for the standards on our CB certificate's; "The ISBN number is correct for the highlighted standard (IEC 62368-1) which is the one we used. Regarding the EN standard, we used DS/EN 62368-1 (August 2014); there is no ISBN noted for this one. There is an ICS number, ICS 33.160.01; 35.020..." So the ICS is new to me. Any feedback, experiences or comments on using ICS numbers? Wikipedia says; International Classification for Standards (ICS) is an international classification system for technical standards. It is designed to cover every economic sector and virtually every activity of the humankind where technical standards may be used. Respectfully yours, Chuck McDowell Compliance Specialist Meyer Sound Laboratories -Original Message- From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] Sent: 24 June, 2017 3:54 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code Interesting idea to use ISBN. It would be a unique identifier. I am curious to know what everyone feels is the best practice for sorting a database on harmonized standards. For example, all of the 61010-1 national derivatives and national differences for IEC, EN, ANSI, CSA, UL, etc. I have in a spreadsheet a separate publisher column and the base document number. I also track publication date and date of withdrawal, if available. I am a bit of a pack rat in this regard, I keep most of my data forever plus or minus a few decades. Sometimes when I have an updated publication available, I do a textual word by word comparison document to flag the differences. I am frequently surprised and the number of "editorial" changes that do not make it into the change logs or the magazine articles or even the big four certifying agencies here in the USA. Doug Original Message From: oconne...@tamuracorp.com Sent: June 23, 2017 6:18 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Reply-to: oconne...@tamuracorp.com Subject: Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code When you have bazillions of standards, the ISBN is handy as a unique identifier (unique and/or primary key), as each version has different reference; otherwise no other significant use. For example, an excerpt from my database: ISBN 9780580910234 BS EN 62368-1:2014 ISBN 9782832214053 IEC 62368-1 Edition 2.0 2014-02 ISBN 9782889106844 IEC 62368-1 Edition 1.0 2010-01 ISBN 97811554364159 CSA C22.2 NO. 60950-1B-07 Brian From: Chuck August-McDowell [mailto:chu...@meyersound.com] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 4:47 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code Greetings form Berkeley, Does using the International Standard Book Number (ISBN) 13 digit code work to organize your standard's collection? Thank you in advance for comments, Mr. Chuck McDowell Compliance Specialist Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are
Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code
For *harmonized* standards, did an add-on utility last year that is both a diff and grep to discern this stuff. Dates, scopes, and links to the electronic file are part of the tables. Used the Python difflib and grin with CSV files. Sorting is whatever you wanna do, and limited only by what and how one is willing to populate the tables. ANSI, ASME, Mil, etc also have ISBNs, but are structured differently so comparisons may require a smart parser if you wanna do anything special with database queries. Should also note that UL, for a cost, offers red-lined versions of standards. Meanwhile, back at my more typical and mundane life of writing test reports... Brian -Original Message- From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 3:54 PM To: EMC-PSTC; Brian O'Connell Subject: Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code Interesting idea to use ISBN. It would be a unique identifier. I am curious to know what everyone feels is the best practice for sorting a database on harmonized standards. For example, all of the 61010-1 national derivatives and national differences for IEC, EN, ANSI, CSA, UL, etc. I have in a spreadsheet a separate publisher column and the base document number. I also track publication date and date of withdrawal, if available. I am a bit of a pack rat in this regard, I keep most of my data forever plus or minus a few decades. Sometimes when I have an updated publication available, I do a textual word by word comparison document to flag the differences. I am frequently surprised and the number of "editorial" changes that do not make it into the change logs or the magazine articles or even the big four certifying agencies here in the USA. Doug Original Message From: oconne...@tamuracorp.com Sent: June 23, 2017 6:18 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Reply-to: oconne...@tamuracorp.com Subject: Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code When you have bazillions of standards, the ISBN is handy as a unique identifier (unique and/or primary key), as each version has different reference; otherwise no other significant use. For example, an excerpt from my database: ISBN 9780580910234 BS EN 62368-1:2014 ISBN 9782832214053 IEC 62368-1 Edition 2.0 2014-02 ISBN 9782889106844 IEC 62368-1 Edition 1.0 2010-01 ISBN 97811554364159 CSA C22.2 NO. 60950-1B-07 Brian From: Chuck August-McDowell [mailto:chu...@meyersound.com] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 4:47 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code Greetings form Berkeley, Does using the International Standard Book Number (ISBN) 13 digit code work to organize your standard's collection? Thank you in advance for comments, Mr. Chuck McDowell Compliance Specialist Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code
Interesting idea to use ISBN. It would be a unique identifier. I am curious to know what everyone feels is the best practice for sorting a database on harmonized standards. For example, all of the 61010-1 national derivatives and national differences for IEC, EN, ANSI, CSA, UL, etc. I have in a spreadsheet a separate publisher column and the base document number. I also track publication date and date of withdrawal, if available. I am a bit of a pack rat in this regard, I keep most of my data forever plus or minus a few decades. Sometimes when I have an updated publication available, I do a textual word by word comparison document to flag the differences. I am frequently surprised and the number of "editorial" changes that do not make it into the change logs or the magazine articles or even the big four certifying agencies here in the USA. Doug Original Message From: oconne...@tamuracorp.com Sent: June 23, 2017 6:18 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Reply-to: oconne...@tamuracorp.com Subject: Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code When you have bazillions of standards, the ISBN is handy as a unique identifier (unique and/or primary key), as each version has different reference; otherwise no other significant use. For example, an excerpt from my database: ISBN 9780580910234 BS EN 62368-1:2014 ISBN 9782832214053 IEC 62368-1 Edition 2.0 2014-02 ISBN 9782889106844 IEC 62368-1 Edition 1.0 2010-01 ISBN 97811554364159 CSA C22.2 NO. 60950-1B-07 Brian From: Chuck August-McDowell [mailto:chu...@meyersound.com] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 4:47 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code Greetings form Berkeley, Does using the International Standard Book Number (ISBN) 13 digit code work to organize your standard's collection? Thank you in advance for comments, Mr. Chuck McDowell Compliance Specialist Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code
When you have bazillions of standards, the ISBN is handy as a unique identifier (unique and/or primary key), as each version has different reference; otherwise no other significant use. For example, an excerpt from my database: ISBN 9780580910234 BS EN 62368-1:2014 ISBN 9782832214053 IEC 62368-1 Edition 2.0 2014-02 ISBN 9782889106844 IEC 62368-1 Edition 1.0 2010-01 ISBN 97811554364159 CSA C22.2 NO. 60950-1B-07 Brian From: Chuck August-McDowell [mailto:chu...@meyersound.com] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 4:47 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code Greetings form Berkeley, Does using the International Standard Book Number (ISBN) 13 digit code work to organize your standard's collection? Thank you in advance for comments, Mr. Chuck McDowell Compliance Specialist Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code
Greetings form Berkeley, Does using the International Standard Book Number (ISBN) 13 digit code work to organize your standard's collection? Thank you in advance for comments, Mr. Chuck McDowell Compliance Specialist Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
