Re: [PSES] Question regarding use of un certified radios.

[Paasche, Dieter]

Hi,

There is one exception in the FCC part 15 standard, but the way you are 
presenting the problem it looks to me that you cannot apply, as you might not 
comply with the requirements of 15.5. I put it here anyways.

§15.23   Home-built devices.
(a) Equipment authorization is not required for devices that are not marketed, 
are not constructed from a kit, and are built in quantities of five or less for 
personal use.
(b) It is recognized that the individual builder of home-built equipment may 
not possess the means to perform the measurements for determining compliance 
with the regulations. In this case, the builder is expected to employ good 
engineering practices to meet the specified technical standards to the greatest 
extent practicable. The provisions of §15.5 apply to this equipment.

§15.5   General conditions of operation.
(a) Persons operating intentional or unintentional radiators shall not be 
deemed to have any vested or recognizable right to continued use of any given 
frequency by virtue of prior registration or certification of equipment, or, 
for power line carrier systems, on the basis of prior notification of use 
pursuant to §90.35(g) of this chapter.
(b) Operation of an intentional, unintentional, or incidental radiator is 
subject to the conditions that no harmful interference is caused and that 
interference must be accepted that may be caused by the operation of an 
authorized radio station, by another intentional or unintentional radiator, by 
industrial, scientific and medical (ISM) equipment, or by an incidental 
radiator.
(c) The operator of a radio frequency device shall be required to cease 
operating the device upon notification by a Commission representative that the 
device is causing harmful interference. Operation shall not resume until the 
condition causing the harmful interference has been corrected.
(d) Intentional radiators that produce Class B emissions (damped wave) are 
prohibited.



Sincerely,

Dieter Paasche
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Simple answer, NO it cannot be used.
In fact, it cannot even be used within the companies premises without being 
certified.  Any part 15 intentional radiator, no matter where used, be it on a 
company’s premises or anywhere, must be certified.  The only exceptions to this 
are found in CFR 47 2.805.

In some instances, some try to use the idea that if a wifi device is used by 
the government, it does not require certification.  This too is not correct.  
While government frequencies are not under the authority of the FCC, devices 
using non-government frequencies necessarily fall under the authority of the 
FCC.  Thus, any government agency using a device such as a wifi transmitter 
must use certified wifi devices, or must have their specific wifi device 
certified in order to be used.

Thanks

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Re: [PSES] Question regarding use of un certified radios.

[Grasso, Charles [Outlook]]

Thank you!

From: Dennis Ward 
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 11:29 AM
To: Grasso, Charles [Outlook] ; 
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Subject: RE: [PSES] Question regarding use of un certified radios.


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Simple answer, NO it cannot be used.
In fact, it cannot even be used within the companies premises without being 
certified.  Any part 15 intentional radiator, no matter where used, be it on a 
company’s premises or anywhere, must be certified.  The only exceptions to this 
are found in CFR 47 2.805.

In some instances, some try to use the idea that if a wifi device is used by 
the government, it does not require certification.  This too is not correct.  
While government frequencies are not under the authority of the FCC, devices 
using non-government frequencies necessarily fall under the authority of the 
FCC.  Thus, any government agency using a device such as a wifi transmitter 
must use certified wifi devices, or must have their specific wifi device 
certified in order to be used.

Thanks

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Dennis Ward
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PCTEST Engineering Laboratory, LLC.
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Hello all,

Thanks for the followup questions! You all of course realize I am asking for a 
friend 

I am referring to the WiFi radios in the US market. So for example if company A 
designs a piece
of test gear with WiFi radios (this question could also apply to 
RF4CE/Bluetooth etc) can
that piece of test gear be used outside of company A’s premises without 
certified radios?


[Working From Home]
Charles Grasso
Dish Technologies
(c) 303-204-2974
(h) 303-317-5530
(e ) charles.gra...@dish.com<mailto:charles.gra...@dish.com>
(e2) chasgra...@gmail.com<mailto:chasgra...@gmail.com>



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Subject: RE: [PSES] Question regarding use of un certified radios.


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Hi Charles,

Any idea which country you’re thinking about?   USA?   Canada?   EU?   Japan?

In all the cases I can think of, I agree that  “err, what?  No!”  is the 
correct answer.


Michael.


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Subject: [PSES] Question regarding use of un certified radios.

Hello EMC standards gurus!!!

I am being told  that the use of uncertified radios (think WIFi)  in the field 
is permitted
as long as there are no commercial transactions involved.

This makes no sense to me. Am I wrong?

[Working From Home]
Charles Grasso
Dish Technologies
(c) 303-204-2974
(h) 303-317-5530
(e ) charles.gra...@dish.com<mailto:charles.gra...@dish.com>
(e2) chasgra...@gmail.com<mailto:chasgra...@gmail.com>

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Re: [PSES] Question regarding use of un certified radios.

[Dennis Ward]

Simple answer, NO it cannot be used.
In fact, it cannot even be used within the companies premises without being 
certified.  Any part 15 intentional radiator, no matter where used, be it on a 
company’s premises or anywhere, must be certified.  The only exceptions to this 
are found in CFR 47 2.805.

In some instances, some try to use the idea that if a wifi device is used by 
the government, it does not require certification.  This too is not correct.  
While government frequencies are not under the authority of the FCC, devices 
using non-government frequencies necessarily fall under the authority of the 
FCC.  Thus, any government agency using a device such as a wifi transmitter 
must use certified wifi devices, or must have their specific wifi device 
certified in order to be used.

Thanks

[cid:image001.png@01D64E00.1BF92E50]
Dennis Ward
Senior Reviewing Engineer
PCTEST Engineering Laboratory, LLC.
7185 Oakland Mills Road
Columbia, MD  21045
1 410 290 6652)

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Hello all,

Thanks for the followup questions! You all of course realize I am asking for a 
friend 

I am referring to the WiFi radios in the US market. So for example if company A 
designs a piece
of test gear with WiFi radios (this question could also apply to 
RF4CE/Bluetooth etc) can
that piece of test gear be used outside of company A’s premises without 
certified radios?


[Working From Home]
Charles Grasso
Dish Technologies
(c) 303-204-2974
(h) 303-317-5530
(e ) charles.gra...@dish.com<mailto:charles.gra...@dish.com>
(e2) chasgra...@gmail.com<mailto:chasgra...@gmail.com>



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Subject: RE: [PSES] Question regarding use of un certified radios.


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Hi Charles,

Any idea which country you’re thinking about?   USA?   Canada?   EU?   Japan?

In all the cases I can think of, I agree that  “err, what?  No!”  is the 
correct answer.


Michael.


From: Grasso, Charles [Outlook] 
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Sent: 29 June 2020 17:28
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: [PSES] Question regarding use of un certified radios.

Hello EMC standards gurus!!!

I am being told  that the use of uncertified radios (think WIFi)  in the field 
is permitted
as long as there are no commercial transactions involved.

This makes no sense to me. Am I wrong?

[Working From Home]
Charles Grasso
Dish Technologies
(c) 303-204-2974
(h) 303-317-5530
(e ) charles.gra...@dish.com<mailto:charles.gra...@dish.com>
(e2) chasgra...@gmail.com<mailto:chasgra...@gmail.com>

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Re: [PSES] Question regarding use of un certified radios.

[Bill Stumpf]

Charles,
For your answer please refer to FCC 47 CRF Part 2 (see section I): 
https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrieveECFR?gp==7062fb7892b0ce0fd3b2af0524fc6308=true=pt47.1.2=PART=HTML


Bill Stumpf – Lab/Technical manager
D.L.S. Electronic Systems, Inc.
Genoa City, WI 53128 (USA)



From: Grasso, Charles [Outlook] 
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 12:14 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Question regarding use of un certified radios.

Hello all,

Thanks for the followup questions! You all of course realize I am asking for a 
friend 

I am referring to the WiFi radios in the US market. So for example if company A 
designs a piece
of test gear with WiFi radios (this question could also apply to 
RF4CE/Bluetooth etc) can
that piece of test gear be used outside of company A’s premises without 
certified radios?


[Working From Home]
Charles Grasso
Dish Technologies
(c) 303-204-2974
(h) 303-317-5530
(e ) charles.gra...@dish.com<mailto:charles.gra...@dish.com>
(e2) chasgra...@gmail.com<mailto:chasgra...@gmail.com>



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Subject: RE: [PSES] Question regarding use of un certified radios.


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Hi Charles,

Any idea which country you’re thinking about?   USA?   Canada?   EU?   Japan?

In all the cases I can think of, I agree that  “err, what?  No!”  is the 
correct answer.


Michael.


From: Grasso, Charles [Outlook] 
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Sent: 29 June 2020 17:28
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: [PSES] Question regarding use of un certified radios.

Hello EMC standards gurus!!!

I am being told  that the use of uncertified radios (think WIFi)  in the field 
is permitted
as long as there are no commercial transactions involved.

This makes no sense to me. Am I wrong?

[Working From Home]
Charles Grasso
Dish Technologies
(c) 303-204-2974
(h) 303-317-5530
(e ) charles.gra...@dish.com<mailto:charles.gra...@dish.com>
(e2) chasgra...@gmail.com<mailto:chasgra...@gmail.com>

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Re: [PSES] Question regarding use of un certified radios.

[Grasso, Charles [Outlook]]

Hello all,

Thanks for the followup questions! You all of course realize I am asking for a 
friend 

I am referring to the WiFi radios in the US market. So for example if company A 
designs a piece
of test gear with WiFi radios (this question could also apply to 
RF4CE/Bluetooth etc) can
that piece of test gear be used outside of company A’s premises without 
certified radios?


[Working From Home]
Charles Grasso
Dish Technologies
(c) 303-204-2974
(h) 303-317-5530
(e ) charles.gra...@dish.com
(e2) chasgra...@gmail.com



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Hi Charles,

Any idea which country you’re thinking about?   USA?   Canada?   EU?   Japan?

In all the cases I can think of, I agree that  “err, what?  No!”  is the 
correct answer.


Michael.


From: Grasso, Charles [Outlook] 
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Sent: 29 June 2020 17:28
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: [PSES] Question regarding use of un certified radios.

Hello EMC standards gurus!!!

I am being told  that the use of uncertified radios (think WIFi)  in the field 
is permitted
as long as there are no commercial transactions involved.

This makes no sense to me. Am I wrong?

[Working From Home]
Charles Grasso
Dish Technologies
(c) 303-204-2974
(h) 303-317-5530
(e ) charles.gra...@dish.com<mailto:charles.gra...@dish.com>
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Re: [PSES] Question regarding use of un certified radios.

[Dennis Ward]

Not knowing what area of the world you are speaking about, I can only say that 
for the US, NO wifi device can be sold or used without being certified.  It 
does not matter in what field it is being used, it is a part 15 intentional 
radiator and requires certification.  If the people who are telling you 
otherwise, do not listen to them as they are wrong.
Thanks

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I am being told  that the use of uncertified radios (think WIFi)  in the field 
is permitted
as long as there are no commercial transactions involved.

This makes no sense to me. Am I wrong?

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Dish Technologies
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Re: [PSES] Question regarding use of un certified radios.

[IBM Ken]

Hi Charles!
For a US audience at least, this sounds like a conflation of two disparate
concepts:

1) Radios offered for commercial sale generally require type acceptance but
Amateur radio operators can use equipment which is not type-accepted (ie
homebrewed)
2) There are certain services which are only authorized for noncommercial
use (Citizens Band for example)

Maybe what the speaker meant was; in the context of some coworkers who use
business band radios out in the field, they can also talk to each other
over FRS, as long as they keep those conversations personal in nature (not
related to their work).  In that sense the speaker is correct (they just
used the wrong terminology)- you can use CB/FRS radios to talk
'non-business' topics, even with your co-workers. You can't generally use
non-type accepted radios though, unless you happen to be an amateur who
homebrewed one and are using it within the rest of the Part 97
requirements...

-Ken A.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 12:27 PM Grasso, Charles [Outlook] <
charles.gra...@dish.com> wrote:

> Hello EMC standards gurus!!!
>
>
>
> I am being told  that the use of uncertified radios (think WIFi)  in the
> field is permitted
> as long as there are no commercial transactions involved.
>
>
>
> This makes no sense to me. Am I wrong?
>
>
>
> [Working From Home]
>
> Charles Grasso
>
> Dish Technologies
>
> (c) 303-204-2974
>
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Re: [PSES] Question regarding use of un certified radios.

[michaeld]

Hi Charles,

 

Any idea which country you're thinking about?   USA?   Canada?   EU?
Japan?

 

In all the cases I can think of, I agree that  "err, what?  No!"  is the
correct answer.

 

 

Michael.

 

 

From: Grasso, Charles [Outlook]  
Sent: 29 June 2020 17:28
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Question regarding use of un certified radios.

 

Hello EMC standards gurus!!!

 

I am being told  that the use of uncertified radios (think WIFi)  in the
field is permitted 
as long as there are no commercial transactions involved.

 

This makes no sense to me. Am I wrong?

 

[Working From Home]

Charles Grasso

Dish Technologies

(c) 303-204-2974

(h) 303-317-5530

(e ) charles.gra...@dish.com <mailto:charles.gra...@dish.com> 

(e2) chasgra...@gmail.com <mailto:chasgra...@gmail.com> 

 

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[PSES] Question regarding use of un certified radios.

[Grasso, Charles [Outlook]]

Hello EMC standards gurus!!!

I am being told  that the use of uncertified radios (think WIFi)  in the field 
is permitted
as long as there are no commercial transactions involved.

This makes no sense to me. Am I wrong?

[Working From Home]
Charles Grasso
Dish Technologies
(c) 303-204-2974
(h) 303-317-5530
(e ) charles.gra...@dish.com
(e2) chasgra...@gmail.com


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