[PSES] Table III Susceptibility Scanning; MIL STD 461 E vs F

2013-11-10 Thread Airy, Chad
Historical Question,

Will someone please give a little of the rationale for the changes in rev E vs 
F of Table III, Susceptibility Scanning.

Thanks

Chad
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Re: [PSES] Table III Susceptibility Scanning; MIL STD 461 E vs F

2013-11-10 Thread CR

Chad Airy asks:
Will someone please give a little of the rationale for the changes in 
rev E vs F of Table III, Susceptibility Scanning.




I suspect we need look no further than Appendix A 40.3.10.4.1 
(4.3.10.4.1)  Frequency scanning.  Scan rate is continuously calculated 
in MIL 461F and and test times have been measured instead of calculated 
form assumptions. Note the portions emphasized below.


416E
... ** The scan rate for each range is calculated based on the start 
frequency for the range.** The total test time to run RS103 from 1 MHz 
to 18 GHz is 177 minutes.  A similar calculation for a stepped scan 
results in a total test time which is 2 times this value or 353 minutes. 
 It must be emphasized that the scan speeds should be slowed down if 
the EUT response time or Q are more critical than those used to 
establish the values in Table III.




461F
 ** Actual test times were measured in a laboratory allowing for 
settling time and leveling. ** The total test time to run RS103 from 2 
MHz to 18 GHz for a stepped scan is 168 minutes for one polarization. 
Similarly, an analog scan would result in a total test time of 
approximately 100 minutes.  ** These times are based on continuously 
calculating the next frequency using the present tuned frequency and the 
allowed step size. **



Cortland Richmond





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Re: [PSES] Table III Susceptibility Scanning; MIL STD 461 E vs F

2013-11-10 Thread Ken Javor
Here's the whole story, from soup to nuts.

Prior to 1993, MIL-STD-462 contained no guidelines on sweep times or dwell
times and step rates.  MIL-STD-462 was released in 1967 when all
susceptibility testing was done manually. The time constant of the
human-in-the-loop was considerably longer than the response time of the
typical test sample, and no control needed to be exercised to keep the test
from sweeping too fast.

But by 1993, when MIL-STD-462D was released, sweeping synthesized generators
driving wide-band amplifiers were the norm, with or without computer
control, and control did have to be exerted to avoid sweeping at a rate
faster than the test sample could evidence susceptibility.

Thus we have Table III.

In 1993, they used a one second dwell time, and very small step sizes. In
the deliberations running up to the -E revision, there was quite a bit of
discussion that we ought to lengthen the dwell time and increase the step
sizes in a manner that yielded no change to the overall length of swept
frequency susceptibility tests. The dwell time lengthening was of course to
ensure time for the test sample to respond, and the increased step size was
based on a general agreement that the -462D step sizes were too
conservative.

A comparison of the two tables between -462D and -461E reveals that below 1
GHz, we did in fact increase step sizes, but unfortunately they were not
changed above 1 GHz, and with the increase to a three second dwell time, the
-461E RS103 test became onerous indeed.

That was fixed in the -F revision process, again polling the working group
members as to whether they were seeing any microwave susceptibilities so
sharply tuned that the step sizes could not be relaxed. No one had any such
experience, and thus we have the -461F Table III.

Ken Javor
Phone: (256) 650-5261


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 Subject: [PSES] Table III Susceptibility Scanning; MIL STD 461 E vs F
 
 Historical Question,
 
 Will someone please give a little of the rationale for the changes in rev E vs
 F of Table III, Susceptibility Scanning.
 
 Thanks
 
 Chad
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