Re: [PSES] Test

[MIKE SHERMAN]

Yes, thanks Philip.
 
Mike

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Re: [PSES] Test

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Test confirmed?

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[PSES] Test

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Test message only.

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Re: [PSES] Test lab in Germany - LVD testing

[Charlie Blackham]

Amund

Try Accredited Bodies - DAkkS - German Accreditation 
Body<https://www.dakks.de/en/accredited-bodies-search.html> with Search term 
"62368" and Conformity Assessment Activity "Testing Laboratory"

Best regards
Charlie

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From: Amund Westin 
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Subject: [PSES] Test lab in Germany - LVD testing


On behalf of a local company, I'm looking for a German test lab within LVD 
testing (EN 62368-1).

I have a listing of all CB scheme labs in Germany but would appreciate 
suggestions of other labs.

Thanks!

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[PSES] Test lab in Germany - LVD testing

[Amund Westin]

On behalf of a local company, I’m looking for a German test lab within LVD
testing (EN 62368-1).

I have a listing of all CB scheme labs in Germany but would appreciate
suggestions of other labs.

Thanks!

 

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[PSES] test message only

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[PSES] Test lab will not test devices with LiPo batteries

[Amund Westin]

I was in touch with a test lab lately regarding environmental testing (shock, 
temp cycling, etc.) a device with internal LiPo batteries.

They were very concern about testing such device, because if could cause fire, 
explode, etc.  during test. They did not want to test devices which contained 
LiPo.

 

Have you experienced the same attitude from your labs?

 

 

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Re: [PSES] Test only: I have not seen any email since December 2022

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It has been quiet.Happy new year to all. Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
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EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Test only: I have not seen any email 
since December 2022 Greetings everyone, Apologies for the email. Just testing 
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Re: [PSES] Test only: I have not seen any email since December 2022

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Happy New Year !!

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[PSES] Test only: I have not seen any email since December 2022

[Richard Georgerian]

Greetings everyone,

 

Apologies for the email. Just testing as I have not seen any PSTC emails
since the December 21, 2022.

 

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Re: [PSES] Test & measurement with cellular module

[Ken Javor]

May be off-topic to your query, but since it is automotive wouldn¹t the
unintentional emissions have to meet CISPR 25?

Ken Javor
Phone: (256) 650-5261



From: Ken Wyatt 
Reply-To: Ken Wyatt 
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 14:57:39 -0700
To: 
Subject: [PSES] Test & measurement with cellular module

Hi All, 

Wireless compliance testing is not really my specialty, so putting this out
to the groupŠ

I have a client that manufactures a data recorder (basically, a
non-intensional radiator), but with an FCC-approved cellular modem from
Sierra. I believe there¹s an option to connect Wi-Fi, but that¹s not enabled
on the current model. The product is designed to plug into the under-dash
I/O connector on automobiles for engineering analysis purposes.

For U.S. sales: I know FCC has an exemption for T&M products (47 CFR
15.103(a)). Besides CTIA testing for TIP and TIS, what other compliance
testing might be required?

For EU sales: The product would fall under IEC/EN 61326 for general EMC.
What wireless/cellular compliance testing might be required in addition?
ETSI compliance, etc.?

Thank you, Ken

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[PSES] Test & measurement with cellular module

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Hi All, 

Wireless compliance testing is not really my specialty, so putting this out to 
the group…

I have a client that manufactures a data recorder (basically, a non-intensional 
radiator), but with an FCC-approved cellular modem from Sierra. I believe 
there’s an option to connect Wi-Fi, but that’s not enabled on the current 
model. The product is designed to plug into the under-dash I/O connector on 
automobiles for engineering analysis purposes.

For U.S. sales: I know FCC has an exemption for T&M products (47 CFR 
15.103(a)). Besides CTIA testing for TIP and TIS, what other compliance testing 
might be required?

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compliance, etc.?

Thank you, Ken

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Re: [PSES] test lab for 140 MPH wind testing

[Ted Eckert]

Hi Charlie,

You might find a lab on this list.
Testing Laboratories for Wind Load Resistance and Windborne Debris Resistance 
(texas.gov)<https://www.tdi.texas.gov/wind/testlabs.html>

Ted Eckert
Microsoft Corporation

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From: Charlie Blackham 
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] [PSES] test lab for 140 MPH wind testing

All

I'm looking for a laboratory who can test a 1m x 1m basestation antenna for 
resilience to hurricane wind gusts

Best regards
Charlie

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[PSES] test lab for 140 MPH wind testing

[Charlie Blackham]

All

I'm looking for a laboratory who can test a 1m x 1m basestation antenna for 
resilience to hurricane wind gusts

Best regards
Charlie

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[PSES] Test requirement for Grille Cloth in UL/IEC/EN 62368-1.

[Chuck August-McDowell]

Greetings,

Would any list member have a comment on a test requirement for Grille Cloth in 
UL/IEC/EN 62368-1 ?
My word search finds no mention of "Grille Cloth"

In the past UL 60065 wanted a tablet test performed on cloth.
"Grille covering material, cloth, and reticulated foam"

The part is to be supported so that its thinnest outside solid surface is in a 
horizontal position. A tablet comprised of
hexamethylene-tetramine (C6H12N4) having a burning time of at least 100 s, is 
to be placed on the thinnest section of the part.
The tablet is then to be ignited with a match applied to the top of the tablet. 
The tablet is to be permitted to burn until it is
completely consumed or until it burns through the part and falls to the surface 
below. The test is concluded when the part
ceases to flame or glow. When all burning and glowing ceases, the part shall 
not have burned further than 5 cm from the center
of the tablet.

Thank you in advance for reply's.

Chuck


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[PSES] Test Standards Copyright

[Brian Kunde]

When we develop a new test report in the CB Format for a test standard, we
usually summarize with test requirements for each clause to reduce the size
of the overall report.

Can the Test Report be a Word-for-Word copy of the test standard, so does
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[PSES] Test

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FWIW, August is always a very quiet time on this (and many other) forum because 
(at least in the Northern Hemisphere) many people are on holiday/vacation! J - 
and we are going on holiday next week J

 

From: Doug Nix [mailto:d...@ieee.org] 
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Yes we do, not just EMC and electrical safety!

 

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On 29-Aug-17, at 13:55, Elias Franquis  wrote:

 

I am still receiving email from this group.

 

I would like to know if this group also speak about system and software safet.

 

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El mar., 29 ago. 2017 a las 19:38, N. Shani () escribió:

So quiet - did I lose my subscription?

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Yes we do, not just EMC and electrical safety!

Doug Nix
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> On 29-Aug-17, at 13:55, Elias Franquis  wrote:
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> I am still receiving email from this group.
> 
> I would like to know if this group also speak about system and software safet.
> 
> Elias
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> El mar., 29 ago. 2017 a las 19:38, N. Shani ( >) escribió:
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Re: [PSES] Test

[Elias Franquis]

I am still receiving email from this group.

I would like to know if this group also speak about system and software
safet.

Elias

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Re: [PSES] Test voltage for electric strength test in EN 60335-1

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Are they not defined clearly in Clause 3?
 
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From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com] 
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Subject: [PSES] Test voltage for electric strength test in EN 60335-1
 
In clause 13.3 and 16.3 electric strength tests, there are two columns of test 
voltages: rated voltage and working voltage.  What are the differences?
 
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[PSES] Test voltage for electric strength test in EN 60335-1

[Scott Xe]

In clause 13.3 and 16.3 electric strength tests, there are two columns of test 
voltages: rated voltage and working voltage.  What are the differences?

 

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Re: [PSES] Test Message - Please Disregard

[Nyffenegger, Dave]

Test Message - Please Disregard except Scott and Dan

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[PSES] Test

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Test message.

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Re: [PSES] Test Message - Please Disregard

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Hi John, 

Received it too. Could it be that your own address is in your junk mail list?

Sincerely, 

Dieter Paasche
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Test message. I'm still not seeing any of my posts reflected back to me.
Are they appearing on the list?

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[Kevin . McCandless]

Hey John,

The last post I see from you was on 2/24 and that was a test email as well.

Best regards,
Kevin

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Test message. I'm still not seeing any of my posts reflected back to me.
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With best wishes OOO - Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and 
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Outlook keeps doing that, but It isn't in there at present. I think the
problem is cause by my not using 'reply all'. Outlook tries to reply only to
the poster.

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> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 6:26 PM
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> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Dieter Paasche
> Advanced Product Developer, Electrical
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[PSES] test message

[John Woodgate]

Test message. I'm still not seeing any of my posts reflected back to me.
Are they appearing on the list?

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Re: [PSES] test message

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John

Received here.

John Allen
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Sent: 18 March 2016 17:16
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
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Test message. I'm still not seeing any of my posts reflected back to me.
Are they appearing on the list?

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[PSES] Test message 160319

[John Woodgate]

Test message 160319 at the request of Scott Douglas.

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Re: [PSES] test message

[John Woodgate]

Noted. I intended to reply to list. Maybe I didn't.

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J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England


> -Original Message-
> From: Elliott Martinson [mailto:elliott.martin...@etcconnect.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 6:16 PM
> To: John Woodgate 
> Subject: RE: [PSES] test message
> 
> John,
> 
> I'm not sure if you're referring to when you replied to my question
earlier today,
> but if you are, you replied only to me and not the list.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Elliott Martinson
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> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 12:16 PM
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[PSES] Test message only

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Test message. Please ignore.

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Re: [PSES] Test Standards for a Wax Warmer per EU

[Bill Stumpf]

Grace,
Here is my opinion.  Base your decision on the primary function of the device.  
For emissions, assuming it is an appliance, I'd suggest EN 55014-1 along with 
EN 61000-3-2 & -3.  For immunity, apply EN 55014-2.  It is not a lighting 
device, and even if it was, application of EN 55105 in addition to EN 55014-1 
would be excessive.  Testing to EN 55014 with a statement in the test report 
that the lighting device was in operation during the testing and EMC compliance 
was taken into account would be sufficient.  Of course devices with no 
timing/clock/processor frequencies in the frequency range of 9 kHz to 400 GHz 
are not within the scope of EN 55014-1.


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From: Grace Lin [mailto:graceli...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:59 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Test Standards for a Wax Warmer per EU

Dear Members,

Could you please comment EU test standards for a wax warmer, using light bulbs 
(such as 
http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/product/full-size-wax-warmer-25-watt-replacement-bulbs-set-of-2/1041252949?skuId=41252949&mcid=PS_googlepla_nonbrand_homedecor_&adpos=1o3&creative=43742652349&device=c&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=CODW3bfMpMoCFYIfHwod19IMIA)?

Do test standards for lighting equipment (EN 55015, EN 61547, etc.) apply to a 
wax warmer using light bulbs?  It is basically a lighting device.  However, the 
application is not for lighting.

For a product with clock/operating frequency less than 9 kHz, is it exempted 
from regulatory requirements, such as EN 55015?

Thank you very much for your time and I look forward to hearing from you.

Best regards,
Grace Lin
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Re: [PSES] Test Standards for a Wax Warmer per EU

[Elliott Martinson]

Oops I’m sorry. I should have said “infrared devices for personal care fall 
under a different standard”. IR/UV devices whose primary purpose is 
illumination fall under 55015 still.
14-2 is the immunity standard while 14-1 is an emissions standard.
Here’s a good information resource: 
http://www.iec.ch/emc/pdf/cispr_guide_2010.pdf
When I look at that the scopes seem like they may be slightly different. I’m 
guessing this is classified as a household appliance, however, and therefore it 
falls under both. I may be wrong, but it seems to be the best fit.

Elliott Martinson
Test Technician I
Electronic Theatre Controls
3031 N PLEASANT VIEW RD
MIDDLETON WI 53562-4809
Work: 608.824.5696 / Cell: 608.209.9897
elliott.martin...@etcconnect.com

From: Elliott Martinson [mailto:elliott.martin...@etcconnect.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:04 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Test Standards for a Wax Warmer per EU

The test standards for lighting equipment are much less strict than for 
non-lighting equipment. So it would actually be beneficial for it to count as a 
lighting device.
With that said, 55015 seems to be written for devices with a primary function 
of illumination. For example, photocopiers, refrigerators, ovens, lighting 
equipment for road vehicles, are all exempt because lighting is secondary. 
Also, if infrared devices fall under a different standard.

After a little searching around, I think you are looking for CISPR 14-2.
“CISPR 14-2 is applicable to electrical apparatus for household and similar 
purposes, as well as electric toys and electric tools, with rated voltage being 
not more than 250 V (single phase) or 480 V (multi phase) including:
- Electrical Household equipment and Portable Tools;
- Agricultural equipment such as electric fences, milking machines, etc:
- Electric toys such as toys running on tracks, etc;
- Electronic regulating controls; - "Single components”, such as heating 
thermostats, etc;
- Microwave ovens for domestic use and catering;
- RF cooking hobs and ovens and induction cooking appliances;
- UV & IR radiators for personal care.”

That last one seems to be about right.

Maybe somebody with more expertise can correct me?
Elliott Martinson
Test Technician I
Electronic Theatre Controls
3031 N PLEASANT VIEW RD
MIDDLETON WI 53562-4809
Work: 608.824.5696 / Cell: 608.209.9897
elliott.martin...@etcconnect.com

From: Grace Lin [mailto:graceli...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:59 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: [PSES] Test Standards for a Wax Warmer per EU

Dear Members,

Could you please comment EU test standards for a wax warmer, using light bulbs 
(such as 
http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/product/full-size-wax-warmer-25-watt-replacement-bulbs-set-of-2/1041252949?skuId=41252949&mcid=PS_googlepla_nonbrand_homedecor_&adpos=1o3&creative=43742652349&device=c&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=CODW3bfMpMoCFYIfHwod19IMIA)?

Do test standards for lighting equipment (EN 55015, EN 61547, etc.) apply to a 
wax warmer using light bulbs?  It is basically a lighting device.  However, the 
application is not for lighting.

For a product with clock/operating frequency less than 9 kHz, is it exempted 
from regulatory requirements, such as EN 55015?

Thank you very much for your time and I look forward to hearing from you.

Best regards,
Grace Lin
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Re: [PSES] Test Standards for a Wax Warmer per EU

[Elliott Martinson]

The test standards for lighting equipment are much less strict than for 
non-lighting equipment. So it would actually be beneficial for it to count as a 
lighting device.

With that said, 55015 seems to be written for devices with a primary function 
of illumination. For example, photocopiers, refrigerators, ovens, lighting 
equipment for road vehicles, are all exempt because lighting is secondary. 
Also, if infrared devices fall under a different standard.

After a little searching around, I think you are looking for CISPR 14-2.
“CISPR 14-2 is applicable to electrical apparatus for household and similar 
purposes, as well as electric toys and electric tools, with rated voltage being 
not more than 250 V (single phase) or 480 V (multi phase) including:
- Electrical Household equipment and Portable Tools;
- Agricultural equipment such as electric fences, milking machines, etc:
- Electric toys such as toys running on tracks, etc;
- Electronic regulating controls; - "Single components”, such as heating 
thermostats, etc;
- Microwave ovens for domestic use and catering;
- RF cooking hobs and ovens and induction cooking appliances;
- UV & IR radiators for personal care.”

That last one seems to be about right.

Maybe somebody with more expertise can correct me?

Elliott Martinson
Test Technician I
Electronic Theatre Controls
3031 N PLEASANT VIEW RD
MIDDLETON WI 53562-4809
Work: 608.824.5696 / Cell: 608.209.9897
elliott.martin...@etcconnect.com

From: Grace Lin [mailto:graceli...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:59 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Test Standards for a Wax Warmer per EU

Dear Members,

Could you please comment EU test standards for a wax warmer, using light bulbs 
(such as 
http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/product/full-size-wax-warmer-25-watt-replacement-bulbs-set-of-2/1041252949?skuId=41252949&mcid=PS_googlepla_nonbrand_homedecor_&adpos=1o3&creative=43742652349&device=c&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=CODW3bfMpMoCFYIfHwod19IMIA)?

Do test standards for lighting equipment (EN 55015, EN 61547, etc.) apply to a 
wax warmer using light bulbs?  It is basically a lighting device.  However, the 
application is not for lighting.

For a product with clock/operating frequency less than 9 kHz, is it exempted 
from regulatory requirements, such as EN 55015?

Thank you very much for your time and I look forward to hearing from you.

Best regards,
Grace Lin
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[PSES] Test Standards for a Wax Warmer per EU

[Grace Lin]

Dear Members,

Could you please comment EU test standards for a wax warmer, using light
bulbs (such as
http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/product/full-size-wax-warmer-25-watt-replacement-bulbs-set-of-2/1041252949?skuId=41252949&mcid=PS_googlepla_nonbrand_homedecor_&adpos=1o3&creative=43742652349&device=c&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=CODW3bfMpMoCFYIfHwod19IMIA
)?

Do test standards for lighting equipment (EN 55015, EN 61547, etc.) apply
to a wax warmer using light bulbs?  It is basically a lighting device.
However, the application is not for lighting.

For a product with clock/operating frequency less than 9 kHz, is it
exempted from regulatory requirements, such as EN 55015?

Thank you very much for your time and I look forward to hearing from you.

Best regards,
Grace Lin

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Re: [PSES] Test message

[McBurney, Ian]

Hello john;

I received your email today at 12:12 UK time.

Ian McBurney
Design & Compliance Engineer.

Allen & Heath Ltd.
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Penryn, Cornwall. TR10 9LU. UK
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-Original Message-
From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com]
Sent: 10 December 2015 14:48
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Test message

I think my posts about EMC environments are not being reflected. Has anyone 
seen my quotes from the Scopes of 61000-6-1 and -2?

With best wishes. OOO - Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh, 
UK www.jmwa.demon.co.uk

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[PSES] Test message

[John Woodgate]

I think my posts about EMC environments are not being reflected. Has anyone
seen my quotes from the Scopes of 61000-6-1 and -2?

With best wishes. OOO - Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh, UK
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[PSES] Test instruments for automotive component

[Li Di]

Greetings, all experts,

I want to buy test instruments for EMC of automotive component. The test 
standards includ ISO 7637-2/3 and ISO 16750-2. I know EM Test and TESEQ have 
such instruments. But the price is pretty higher. Does anyone recommend other 
manufacturers produce and sell such test instruments? Thanks to all.


Best wishes,

 


Li Di
Conorth Technologies Co., Ltd.
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[PSES] Test positions open at Washington Labs

[Mike Violette]

Hi Folks,

Let me or Steve Koster (ste...@wll.com) know if you have any interest in two 
lab test positions in Maryland.

http://wll.com/us/jobs/

Best regards,
Mike

Mike Violette
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Re: [PSES] Test report for computers with multiple foreseen hard disk configurations.

[T.Sato]

On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 23:20:12 +,
  "Crane, Lauren"  wrote:

> When having a computer system EMC tested, and different hard disk
> options are expected to be used over time, but the exact details
> (e.g. part number) of those hard disks is not yet known other than
> the requirement that they be certified on their own to relevant EMC
> standards, is there a standard phrase that is used in the test
> report to describe the situation (such as "... including any hard
> disk certified EN  for immunity and EN  for emissions")?

I think test reports should describe the system actually tested.

For EMC Directive, if you are sure that system incorporating
other hard disk also comply with the Directive, I think you can
justify that through assessments and describe it in the technical
documentation.

Regards,
Tom

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Re: [PSES] Test report for computers with multiple foreseen hard disk configurations.

[ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen]

As hard disk manufacturers  -like all PC part manufacturers- cannot test
a HDD as  a stand-alone device, they are tested in a representative
configuration, and will comply as such.  That is not your configuration.
You have no guarantee that the final HDD will be below limits in your
configuration. It may have been tested with a 5 cm SATA cable and in
high performance enclosure.

The only benefit to customers of a certified HD  is that it IS possible
to apply them below limits.

I would suggest your customer to carry out  RE test on any future
configuration in  their own representative configuration.

If that test will give enough safety margin, than that could be used as
a test report reference.

 

Gert Gremmen

Ce-test qualified testing bv

Manager LinkedIn EMC-Experts group (6000+)

 

From: Crane, Lauren [mailto:lauren.cr...@kla-tencor.com] 
Sent: Tuesday 21 April 2015 01:20
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Test report for computers with multiple foreseen hard
disk configurations.

 

When having a computer system EMC tested, and different hard disk
options are expected to be used over time, but the exact details (e.g.
part number) of those hard disks is not yet known other than the
requirement that they be certified on their own to relevant EMC
standards, is there a standard phrase that is used in the test report to
describe the situation (such as "... including any hard disk certified
EN  for immunity and EN  for emissions")? 

 

Regards,

Lauren Crane

KLA-Tencor

 

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Re: [PSES] Test report for computers with multiple foreseen hard disk configurations.

[John Woodgate]

In message 
utlook.com>, dated Mon, 20 Apr 2015, "Crane, Lauren" 
 writes:


When having a computer system EMC tested, and different hard disk 
options are expected to be used over time, but the exact details (e.g. 
part number) of those hard disks is not yet known other than the 
requirement that they be certified on their own to relevant EMC 
standards, is there a standard phrase that is used in the test report 
to describe the situation (such as ?& including any hard disk certified 
EN  for immunity and EN  for emissions?)?


I don't think you can have hard disks 'certified' like that for OEM 
parts. I suppose those sold retail could have a DoC, but they are really 
components and are included in the testing of the complete product.

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When I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow
John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK

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[PSES] Test report for computers with multiple foreseen hard disk configurations.

[Crane, Lauren]

When having a computer system EMC tested, and different hard disk options are 
expected to be used over time, but the exact details (e.g. part number) of 
those hard disks is not yet known other than the requirement that they be 
certified on their own to relevant EMC standards, is there a standard phrase 
that is used in the test report to describe the situation (such as "... 
including any hard disk certified EN  for immunity and EN  for 
emissions")?

Regards,
Lauren Crane
KLA-Tencor


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[PSES] Test message II

[Pete Perkins]

testing, 1, 2 & 3...

:>) br, Pete
 
Peter E Perkins, PE
Principal Product Safety Engineer
PO Box 23427
Tigard, ORe  97281-3427
 
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[PSES] test message

[Pete Perkins]

Testing, testing, 1, 2, 3...  

:>) br, Pete
 
Peter E Perkins, PE
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Re: [PSES] test errors

[Pearson, John]

I find it surprising that an accredited lab can have test standards listed on 
their scope undated.  How can certain accredited authorities do that?

John

John Pearson, Senior Director, Corporate Product Compliance
Polycom (UK) Ltd. | Singleton Court Business Centre Wonastow Road Ind. Est., 
Monmouth, NP255JA, United Kingdom  | T: +44 1753 723165 | M: +44 7968 064105


From: dward [mailto:dw...@pctestlab.com]
Sent: 18 December 2014 21:38
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] test errors

I don’t think the original discussion is or was centered on testing ‘black 
boxes’ or even the fact that a manufacturer should know his product and what it 
takes to get it in the market. The original discussion was that labs which are 
supposed to know what they are doing, because they have a standards listed on 
their scope of accreditation, may not actually know what they are doing.  It 
does not deal with off the wall testing specific to a particular manufacturer, 
it deals with common everyday expertise.
Any lab can test anything or anyway they want, but if they are saying the 
testing is to a specific standard and is in accordance with their scope, then 
they need to make sure it is.  If it is not, then the accreditations generally 
only say (paraphrased) ‘if you didn’t test it correctly to the std on the 
scope, then don’t say you did.  If you did test it according to your scope, 
then the results should clearly show you did.’
Thanks

​
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From: Grasso, Charles [mailto:charles.gra...@echostar.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 1:06 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: Re: [PSES] test errors

Hello Brian – with regards to the “Top Secret” box. It is my understanding that 
the customer it responsible
for assuring that their product is tested to the correct standard and the test 
lab is responsible for testing
the delivered product  according to that standard. So I would say that yes – 
you did what the customer asked
so you tested the product correctly.

Best Regards
Charles Grasso
Compliance Engineer
Echostar Communications
(w) 303-706-5467
(c) 303-204-2974
(t) 3032042...@vtext.com<mailto:3032042...@vtext.com>
(e) charles.gra...@echostar.com<mailto:charles.gra...@echostar.com>
(e2) chasgra...@gmail.com<mailto:chasgra...@gmail.com>

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:26 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: Re: [PSES] test errors

Well said. I’m really enjoying this topic.

Expecting customers to be Compliance Test experts would be nice, but a little 
like expecting people to have to be auto mechanics to be able to take their 
cars to the repair shop. But like auto repair shops, EMC and Safety test labs 
are all in it for the money. They have payroll to meet just like any business 
and they are not likely to turn away work because it is something they are not 
100% sure they know how to properly test until the customer arrives with it. 
And in those cases I’m sure they do the best they can.

We also expect test labs to be experts in hundreds of standards and how they 
apply to an infinite number of products, configurations, and supporting 
equipment; many of which they may know absolutely nothing about how it even 
works.  Such expectations are unrealistic.

I once tested a metal box with something moving inside. “Top Secret” according 
to the customer. Did we test it correctly? How would I know? We did what the 
customer wanted.

Yup, errors and mistakes are going to happen. That is part of life. Though I am 
not a fan of accreditation, one cannot expect anything more than an attempt to 
minimize the errors. I don’t think a stack of procedures in a file or book in 
the manager’s office is very affective at eliminating error, but it is better 
than nothing. And as test labs become more competitive, a long list of 
accreditations is like money in the bank.

Personally, I like the “Accountability Method” or as mentioned early the 
“looking over the shoulder” method. This is where the test setup and testing is 
overseen by a second person in the lab who can most often see problems the main 
tester cannot see right in front of his face. It is l

Re: [PSES] test errors

[Grasso, Charles]

Hi Dennis – Understood. What you point out is implied in my comment: “and the 
test lab is responsible for testing
the delivered product  according to that standard”.


Best Regards
Charles Grasso
Compliance Engineer
Echostar Communications
(w) 303-706-5467
(c) 303-204-2974
(t) 3032042...@vtext.com
(e) charles.gra...@echostar.com
(e2) chasgra...@gmail.com

From: dward [mailto:dw...@pctestlab.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 2:38 PM
To: Grasso, Charles; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] test errors

I don’t think the original discussion is or was centered on testing ‘black 
boxes’ or even the fact that a manufacturer should know his product and what it 
takes to get it in the market. The original discussion was that labs which are 
supposed to know what they are doing, because they have a standards listed on 
their scope of accreditation, may not actually know what they are doing.  It 
does not deal with off the wall testing specific to a particular manufacturer, 
it deals with common everyday expertise.
Any lab can test anything or anyway they want, but if they are saying the 
testing is to a specific standard and is in accordance with their scope, then 
they need to make sure it is.  If it is not, then the accreditations generally 
only say (paraphrased) ‘if you didn’t test it correctly to the std on the 
scope, then don’t say you did.  If you did test it according to your scope, 
then the results should clearly show you did.’
Thanks

​
Dennis Ward
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From: Grasso, Charles [mailto:charles.gra...@echostar.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 1:06 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: Re: [PSES] test errors

Hello Brian – with regards to the “Top Secret” box. It is my understanding that 
the customer it responsible
for assuring that their product is tested to the correct standard and the test 
lab is responsible for testing
the delivered product  according to that standard. So I would say that yes – 
you did what the customer asked
so you tested the product correctly.

Best Regards
Charles Grasso
Compliance Engineer
Echostar Communications
(w) 303-706-5467
(c) 303-204-2974
(t) 3032042...@vtext.com<mailto:3032042...@vtext.com>
(e) charles.gra...@echostar.com<mailto:charles.gra...@echostar.com>
(e2) chasgra...@gmail.com<mailto:chasgra...@gmail.com>

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:26 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: Re: [PSES] test errors

Well said. I’m really enjoying this topic.

Expecting customers to be Compliance Test experts would be nice, but a little 
like expecting people to have to be auto mechanics to be able to take their 
cars to the repair shop. But like auto repair shops, EMC and Safety test labs 
are all in it for the money. They have payroll to meet just like any business 
and they are not likely to turn away work because it is something they are not 
100% sure they know how to properly test until the customer arrives with it. 
And in those cases I’m sure they do the best they can.

We also expect test labs to be experts in hundreds of standards and how they 
apply to an infinite number of products, configurations, and supporting 
equipment; many of which they may know absolutely nothing about how it even 
works.  Such expectations are unrealistic.

I once tested a metal box with something moving inside. “Top Secret” according 
to the customer. Did we test it correctly? How would I know? We did what the 
customer wanted.

Yup, errors and mistakes are going to happen. That is part of life. Though I am 
not a fan of accreditation, one cannot expect anything more than an attempt to 
minimize the errors. I don’t think a stack of procedures in a file or book in 
the manager’s office is very affective at eliminating error, but it is better 
than nothing. And as test labs become more competitive, a long list of 
accreditations is like money in the bank.

Personally, I like the “Accountability Method” or as mentioned early the 
“looking over the shoulder” method. This is where the test setup and testing is 
overseen by a second person in the lab who can most often see problems the main 
tester cannot see right in front of his f

Re: [PSES] test errors

[dward]

I don’t think the original discussion is or was centered on testing ‘black 
boxes’ or even the fact that a manufacturer should know his product and what it 
takes to get it in the market. The original discussion was that labs which are 
supposed to know what they are doing, because they have a standards listed on 
their scope of accreditation, may not actually know what they are doing.  It 
does not deal with off the wall testing specific to a particular manufacturer, 
it deals with common everyday expertise.

Any lab can test anything or anyway they want, but if they are saying the 
testing is to a specific standard and is in accordance with their scope, then 
they need to make sure it is.  If it is not, then the accreditations generally 
only say (paraphrased) ‘if you didn’t test it correctly to the std on the 
scope, then don’t say you did.  If you did test it according to your scope, 
then the results should clearly show you did.’

Thanks 

 

​

Dennis Ward

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From: Grasso, Charles [mailto:charles.gra...@echostar.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 1:06 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] test errors

 

Hello Brian – with regards to the “Top Secret” box. It is my understanding that 
the customer it responsible
for assuring that their product is tested to the correct standard and the test 
lab is responsible for testing
the delivered product  according to that standard. So I would say that yes – 
you did what the customer asked
so you tested the product correctly.

 

Best Regards

Charles Grasso

Compliance Engineer

Echostar Communications

(w) 303-706-5467

(c) 303-204-2974

(t) 3032042...@vtext.com <mailto:3032042...@vtext.com> 

(e) charles.gra...@echostar.com <mailto:charles.gra...@echostar.com> 

(e2) chasgra...@gmail.com <mailto:chasgra...@gmail.com> 

 

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:26 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> 
Subject: Re: [PSES] test errors

 

Well said. I’m really enjoying this topic.

 

Expecting customers to be Compliance Test experts would be nice, but a little 
like expecting people to have to be auto mechanics to be able to take their 
cars to the repair shop. But like auto repair shops, EMC and Safety test labs 
are all in it for the money. They have payroll to meet just like any business 
and they are not likely to turn away work because it is something they are not 
100% sure they know how to properly test until the customer arrives with it. 
And in those cases I’m sure they do the best they can.

 

We also expect test labs to be experts in hundreds of standards and how they 
apply to an infinite number of products, configurations, and supporting 
equipment; many of which they may know absolutely nothing about how it even 
works.  Such expectations are unrealistic. 

 

I once tested a metal box with something moving inside. “Top Secret” according 
to the customer. Did we test it correctly? How would I know? We did what the 
customer wanted.  

 

Yup, errors and mistakes are going to happen. That is part of life. Though I am 
not a fan of accreditation, one cannot expect anything more than an attempt to 
minimize the errors. I don’t think a stack of procedures in a file or book in 
the manager’s office is very affective at eliminating error, but it is better 
than nothing. And as test labs become more competitive, a long list of 
accreditations is like money in the bank.  

 

Personally, I like the “Accountability Method” or as mentioned early the 
“looking over the shoulder” method. This is where the test setup and testing is 
overseen by a second person in the lab who can most often see problems the main 
tester cannot see right in front of his face. It is like having someone proof 
read your memos (I cannot believe I make so many typos).  

 

Many of our customers hire Consultants to babysit or oversee their EMC testing. 
Some of them drill me all day long about how we do things. It can be 
exhausting. But, I prefer such customers over those who come in and don’t know 
anything about anything. 

 

I once tested a Sand Blast Cabinet which comprised of a metal box with a 
brushless AC blower motor and incandescent light bulb. I tri

Re: [PSES] test errors

[Grasso, Charles]

Hello Brian – with regards to the “Top Secret” box. It is my understanding that 
the customer it responsible
for assuring that their product is tested to the correct standard and the test 
lab is responsible for testing
the delivered product  according to that standard. So I would say that yes – 
you did what the customer asked
so you tested the product correctly.

Best Regards
Charles Grasso
Compliance Engineer
Echostar Communications
(w) 303-706-5467
(c) 303-204-2974
(t) 3032042...@vtext.com
(e) charles.gra...@echostar.com
(e2) chasgra...@gmail.com

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:26 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] test errors

Well said. I’m really enjoying this topic.

Expecting customers to be Compliance Test experts would be nice, but a little 
like expecting people to have to be auto mechanics to be able to take their 
cars to the repair shop. But like auto repair shops, EMC and Safety test labs 
are all in it for the money. They have payroll to meet just like any business 
and they are not likely to turn away work because it is something they are not 
100% sure they know how to properly test until the customer arrives with it. 
And in those cases I’m sure they do the best they can.

We also expect test labs to be experts in hundreds of standards and how they 
apply to an infinite number of products, configurations, and supporting 
equipment; many of which they may know absolutely nothing about how it even 
works.  Such expectations are unrealistic.

I once tested a metal box with something moving inside. “Top Secret” according 
to the customer. Did we test it correctly? How would I know? We did what the 
customer wanted.

Yup, errors and mistakes are going to happen. That is part of life. Though I am 
not a fan of accreditation, one cannot expect anything more than an attempt to 
minimize the errors. I don’t think a stack of procedures in a file or book in 
the manager’s office is very affective at eliminating error, but it is better 
than nothing. And as test labs become more competitive, a long list of 
accreditations is like money in the bank.

Personally, I like the “Accountability Method” or as mentioned early the 
“looking over the shoulder” method. This is where the test setup and testing is 
overseen by a second person in the lab who can most often see problems the main 
tester cannot see right in front of his face. It is like having someone proof 
read your memos (I cannot believe I make so many typos).

Many of our customers hire Consultants to babysit or oversee their EMC testing. 
Some of them drill me all day long about how we do things. It can be 
exhausting. But, I prefer such customers over those who come in and don’t know 
anything about anything.

I once tested a Sand Blast Cabinet which comprised of a metal box with a 
brushless AC blower motor and incandescent light bulb. I tried to explain that 
this product did not require emissions testing; even digging through standards 
and directives as proof, but they insisted. So the test results was basically 
our noise floor. Now if anyone who knows their stuff looks at that test report 
they will assume we ripped them off.

Doug, I love your posts and your education videos. My greatest fear running a 
test lab is that we are doing something wrong. When someone like you who I 
greatly respect says that many labs are making common errors, it really freaks 
me out. I must know more because I’m afraid maybe we are making the same 
errors. I hope not, but as you know, it does happen. Anyone with similar 
discoveries, please pass it on so we can avoid such sleepless nights. ☺

The one thing that really grinds my gears is when I hear people say that the 
test results from non-accredited labs are no good or not as accurate because 
they are not accredited. I know this just shows their ignorance but I’m sure 
some accredited test lab told them that, so they believe it to be true. Most 
small labs don’t require accreditation to do a good job. I would back our 
testing and results against any other lab. And I know several other small labs 
that do a great job as well. Now don’t get me wrong; I have nothing against 
accredited labs. In fact, I believe labs large enough to support the financial 
and manpower burden should probably be accredited. My gripe is only with those 
who unjustly bad mouth us small labs.  We are all looking to have a foot hold 
over our competition, but we would never bad mouth another test lab.  Lets hang 
our hats on our testing ability, customer service, and test results.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled program.

This Other Brian



From: Ed Price [mailto:edpr...@cox.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 7:58 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: Re: [PSES] test errors

Doug:

I took the liberty of severely editing you response, but I think the essence of 
your story is:
“someone wh

Re: [PSES] test errors

[CR]

This is an organizational flaw similar to relying on ISO 9000 
certification;  unless day to day operations are monitored by staff, and 
performance is periodically audited by subject matter experts from the 
certifying agency, it is only an exercise in paperwork.


Consider that EMC standards now require automated tests; this makes it 
possible to hire people to run the tests by rote and to lay off the 
expensive  engineers and techs who did know what had to happen ad what 
to look out for.   Even they made mistakes, but at least they could 
watch out for each other; a lab might now offer physically unachievable 
testing (HIRF might be a good example) and some customer will sign off 
on it.


Cortland Richmond

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Re: [PSES] test errors

[Ken Javor]

Excellent point.

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Phone: (256) 650-5261



From: Ed Price 
Reply-To: Ed Price 
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 04:57:43 -0800
To: 
Subject: Re: [PSES] test errors

Doug:
 
I took the liberty of severely editing you response, but I think the essence
of your story is:
³someone who goes to labs with no knowledge of how these tests are run are
at a real disadvantage²
 
I thought that the whole purpose of accreditation was to provide protection
to the customer who is not an EMC expert and who cannot personally evaluate
the quality of the EMC test services. Some 3rd party would police the test
labs, and, to the extent that you trusted this 3rd party, you could trust
the quality of accredited services. Sure, humans make mistakes, but the
frequency of these mistakes should be statistically down in the same range
as say, the number of times your test lab had a fire in the past year.
 
However, since you know that it is necessary for a test services customer to
be well-informed, then that¹s evidence that the accreditation system is
failing to deliver on its promise of a safe test environment. Perhaps
accreditation can¹t deliver what we expect, or perhaps we aren¹t applying
accreditation correctly. We have had about 35 years of EMC lab accreditation
experience, and yet we still can¹t, in good conscience, send an innocent
customer through the process. Your solution is to make your clients smarter
(which I don¹t argue with at all), but what does that say of the efficacy
and value of accreditation?
 

Ed Price
WB6WSN
Chula Vista, CA USA

From: Douglas Smith [mailto:d...@emcesd.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 10:28 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Brick power supplies and test errors (two topics)
 

Hi Ed and the Group,

Ed said: "Did you create a write-up on what those errors specifically were,
and how it happened that you noticed them in time to control them?"

I have not specifically written them up although I do tell them as war
stories during my presentations. The biggies I remember were antenna
placement, wrong antenna factors, and injecting more current in the
conducted immunity test than was called for

Other biggies are ESD test setups non-compliant (the lab test area) and the
EFT test run with the clamp backwards.

But someone who goes to labs with no knowledge of how these tests are run
are at a real disadvantage.

Recently I have rolled up a lot of this information in to a short web
presentation I give to my clients so they can avoid these problems.

Doug

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Re: [PSES] test errors

[Kunde, Brian]

Well said. I’m really enjoying this topic.

Expecting customers to be Compliance Test experts would be nice, but a little 
like expecting people to have to be auto mechanics to be able to take their 
cars to the repair shop. But like auto repair shops, EMC and Safety test labs 
are all in it for the money. They have payroll to meet just like any business 
and they are not likely to turn away work because it is something they are not 
100% sure they know how to properly test until the customer arrives with it. 
And in those cases I’m sure they do the best they can.

We also expect test labs to be experts in hundreds of standards and how they 
apply to an infinite number of products, configurations, and supporting 
equipment; many of which they may know absolutely nothing about how it even 
works.  Such expectations are unrealistic.

I once tested a metal box with something moving inside. “Top Secret” according 
to the customer. Did we test it correctly? How would I know? We did what the 
customer wanted.

Yup, errors and mistakes are going to happen. That is part of life. Though I am 
not a fan of accreditation, one cannot expect anything more than an attempt to 
minimize the errors. I don’t think a stack of procedures in a file or book in 
the manager’s office is very affective at eliminating error, but it is better 
than nothing. And as test labs become more competitive, a long list of 
accreditations is like money in the bank.

Personally, I like the “Accountability Method” or as mentioned early the 
“looking over the shoulder” method. This is where the test setup and testing is 
overseen by a second person in the lab who can most often see problems the main 
tester cannot see right in front of his face. It is like having someone proof 
read your memos (I cannot believe I make so many typos).

Many of our customers hire Consultants to babysit or oversee their EMC testing. 
Some of them drill me all day long about how we do things. It can be 
exhausting. But, I prefer such customers over those who come in and don’t know 
anything about anything.

I once tested a Sand Blast Cabinet which comprised of a metal box with a 
brushless AC blower motor and incandescent light bulb. I tried to explain that 
this product did not require emissions testing; even digging through standards 
and directives as proof, but they insisted. So the test results was basically 
our noise floor. Now if anyone who knows their stuff looks at that test report 
they will assume we ripped them off.

Doug, I love your posts and your education videos. My greatest fear running a 
test lab is that we are doing something wrong. When someone like you who I 
greatly respect says that many labs are making common errors, it really freaks 
me out. I must know more because I’m afraid maybe we are making the same 
errors. I hope not, but as you know, it does happen. Anyone with similar 
discoveries, please pass it on so we can avoid such sleepless nights. ☺

The one thing that really grinds my gears is when I hear people say that the 
test results from non-accredited labs are no good or not as accurate because 
they are not accredited. I know this just shows their ignorance but I’m sure 
some accredited test lab told them that, so they believe it to be true. Most 
small labs don’t require accreditation to do a good job. I would back our 
testing and results against any other lab. And I know several other small labs 
that do a great job as well. Now don’t get me wrong; I have nothing against 
accredited labs. In fact, I believe labs large enough to support the financial 
and manpower burden should probably be accredited. My gripe is only with those 
who unjustly bad mouth us small labs.  We are all looking to have a foot hold 
over our competition, but we would never bad mouth another test lab.  Lets hang 
our hats on our testing ability, customer service, and test results.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled program.

This Other Brian



From: Ed Price [mailto:edpr...@cox.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 7:58 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] test errors

Doug:

I took the liberty of severely editing you response, but I think the essence of 
your story is:
“someone who goes to labs with no knowledge of how these tests are run are at a 
real disadvantage”

I thought that the whole purpose of accreditation was to provide protection to 
the customer who is not an EMC expert and who cannot personally evaluate the 
quality of the EMC test services. Some 3rd party would police the test labs, 
and, to the extent that you trusted this 3rd party, you could trust the quality 
of accredited services. Sure, humans make mistakes, but the frequency of these 
mistakes should be statistically down in the same range as say, the number of 
times your test lab had a fire in the past year.

However, since you know that it is necessary for a test services customer to be 
well-informed, then that’s evidence that the accreditation

Re: [PSES] test errors

[Ed Price]

Doug:

 

I took the liberty of severely editing you response, but I think the essence of 
your story is:

“someone who goes to labs with no knowledge of how these tests are run are at a 
real disadvantage” 

 

I thought that the whole purpose of accreditation was to provide protection to 
the customer who is not an EMC expert and who cannot personally evaluate the 
quality of the EMC test services. Some 3rd party would police the test labs, 
and, to the extent that you trusted this 3rd party, you could trust the quality 
of accredited services. Sure, humans make mistakes, but the frequency of these 
mistakes should be statistically down in the same range as say, the number of 
times your test lab had a fire in the past year.

 

However, since you know that it is necessary for a test services customer to be 
well-informed, then that’s evidence that the accreditation system is failing to 
deliver on its promise of a safe test environment. Perhaps accreditation can’t 
deliver what we expect, or perhaps we aren’t applying accreditation correctly. 
We have had about 35 years of EMC lab accreditation experience, and yet we 
still can’t, in good conscience, send an innocent customer through the process. 
Your solution is to make your clients smarter (which I don’t argue with at 
all), but what does that say of the efficacy and value of accreditation?

 

Ed Price
WB6WSN
Chula Vista, CA USA



From: Douglas Smith [mailto:d...@emcesd.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 10:28 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Brick power supplies and test errors (two topics)

 

Hi Ed and the Group,

Ed said: "Did you create a write-up on what those errors specifically were, and 
how it happened that you noticed them in time to control them?"

I have not specifically written them up although I do tell them as war stories 
during my presentations. The biggies I remember were antenna placement, wrong 
antenna factors, and injecting more current in the conducted immunity test than 
was called for


Other biggies are ESD test setups non-compliant (the lab test area) and the EFT 
test run with the clamp backwards. 

But someone who goes to labs with no knowledge of how these tests are run are 
at a real disadvantage.

Recently I have rolled up a lot of this information in to a short web 
presentation I give to my clients so they can avoid these problems.

Doug



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Department for Continuing Education
Oxford, Oxfordshire, United Kingdom 
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Re: [PSES] Test and Calibration Labs

[Pat Lawler]

Hi Doug,

A starting point might be the FCC's Contract Test Firm listing at
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearch.cfm

It doesn't reflect lab quality approvals or reputation, but it gives you a
list of names to investigate.

Pat


On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Doug Powell  wrote:

> ‎All,
>
> In recent weeks I have been searching for EMC and Calibration labs in
> areas of the country where I am not so familiar with who is who.   My
> clients often want something nearby.  Generally they already know which
> safety agency they want.
>
> I have used the directories published by ITEM and ‎InCompliance and
> others.   But it occurs to me that I am "recommending" labs without any
> point of reference. Unless they are part of a national organization, I feel
> I really don't know these folks well enough to make a reference.   Also, I
> full well know that many of these directories do not have complete
> listings, each one seems to have some omissions of important labs.
>
> I would be interested to hear from others on this forum who have had a
> similar experiences, about  which directories they got the best results and
> how you dealt with these concerns in general.
>
>
>
> Thanks, - doug
>
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Re: [PSES] Test and Calibration Labs

[Ken Wyatt]

I know what you mean. I recommend only test labs I've personally visited or 
have worked with in the past. You also won't likely go wrong by recommending 
the large "chains", but there are exceptions, I'm sure. Probably the best bet 
is to ask around...maybe asking for specifics here, or in one of the LinkedIn 
groups. Also, each lab may offer expertise in certain areas, but not all. For 
example, not all are able to test intentional radiators. Some may be better at 
dealing with various country's submittal processes, some don't do MIL-STD, etc.

The test labs that regularly attend the IEEE EMC symposia are probably worth 
considering.

Here are a few I can recommend. Elite Engineering in Chicago, CKC (various 
locations), Northwest EMC, EMC Integrity in Colorado. I just had this same 
conversation with a colleague in the Bay Area recently. He recommended Elliott, 
TUV, And UL. In the Portland area, I was pretty impressed with a fairly new 
lab, ElectroMagnetic Investigations, in Hillsboro. I believe MET Labs (various 
locations) are also well thought of. I'm sure there are others I've not aware 
of, however. I suspect others will chime in with recommendations.

Kenneth Wyatt
Wyatt Technical Services LLC
Woodland Park, CO
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www.emc-seminars.com
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> On Aug 29, 2014, at 3:20 AM, Doug Powell  wrote:
> 
> ‎All,
> 
> In recent weeks I have been searching for EMC and Calibration labs in areas 
> of the country where I am not so familiar with who is who.   My clients often 
> want something nearby.  Generally they already know which safety agency they 
> want.  
> 
> I have used the directories published by ITEM and ‎InCompliance and others.   
> But it occurs to me that I am "recommending" labs without any point of 
> reference. Unless they are part of a national organization, I feel I really 
> don't know these folks well enough to make a reference.   Also, I full well 
> know that many of these directories do not have complete listings, each one 
> seems to have some omissions of important labs. 
> 
> I would be interested to hear from others on this forum who have had a 
> similar experiences, about  which directories they got the best results and 
> how you dealt with these concerns in general.  
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks, - doug
> 
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[PSES] Test and Calibration Labs

[Doug Powell]

 ‎All,In recent weeks I have been searching for EMC and Calibration labs in areas of the country where I am not so familiar with who is who.   My clients often want something nearby.  Generally they already know which safety agency they want.  I have used the directories published by ITEM and ‎InCompliance and others.   But it occurs to me that I am "recommending" labs without any point of reference. Unless they are part of a national organization, I feel I really don't know these folks well enough to make a reference.   Also, I full well know that many of these directories do not have complete listings, each one seems to have some omissions of important labs. I would be interested to hear from others on this forum who have had a similar experiences, about  which directories they got the best results and how you dealt with these concerns in general.  Thanks, - dougDouglas Powellhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01   
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Re: [PSES] Test equipment

[Pat Lawler]

Richard,

I once had an HP spectrum analyzer than had a dim screen after 10+
years of operation.  Moving the display centering to use other parts
of the phospher didn't help.

I then removed the display glass and found a thin, even, layer of dust
on the CRT.  Thank you, electrostatic precipitation.  Cleaning the CRT
(and display glass) made the display look like new.

Pat

On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 2:40 AM, Richard Marshall
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I too am the recent proud owner of an HP8753B Network Analyser; a
> mind-blowingly clever piece of equipment.  Recommended for its Educational
> and practical value!.
>
> As received, the fan ran - but was very noisy.  I replaced the fan with an
> EBM-Papst 4414M, which was slightly quieter - but not as much improvement as
> I had hoped.
>
> The CRT screen display was a bit dim, but I achieved a surprising and very
> useful improvement by following the procedure for re-centering the screen
> display.  This brought new areas of phosphor into use for the graticule and
> all the screen data. Much easier to read now.
>
> My remaining problem is intermittant uncertain contact closure of the
> various push-buttons - -presumably dirt or weak springs.  If anyone knows
> how to remedy or get replacements please advise!
>
>
> Richard Marshall
> MA, CEng., FIEE, FInst.P, FIET
>
> Richard Marshall Laboratories
> 30 Ox Lane, Harpenden, Herts.
> AL5 4HE UK
> Phone +44 (0)1582 460815www.design-emc.co.uk
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Re: [PSES] Test equipment

[CR]

I have a 19 inch yard-sale LCD TV hooked up to my Advantest R3261A (not 
a "more modern" instrument).   It flickers once in a while, but that 
doesn't matter for my use.  A local firm, "Comprenew," has 48 and 96 
inch wall mounted but analog ("not guaranteed to work") TV's/displays 
for pocket change. No thanks, but imagine the effect when the customers 
see your readout.  1 dB/cm resolution, no problem.


(We wont' speak to accuracy, will we? The 3261 "measures" dB to two 
decimal places...)


Cortland
KA5S

On 6/28/2014 7:07 AM, Ed Price wrote:


*Many of the more modern analyzers provide a back-panel video output; 
you can often connect a cheap LCD display to that port and get a great 
improvement over the aging built-in CRT display.*


**

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Re: [PSES] Test equipment

[Ed Price]

Many of the more modern analyzers provide a back-panel video output; you can
often connect a cheap LCD display to that port and get a great improvement
over the aging built-in CRT display.

 

Ed Price
WB6WSN
Chula Vista, CA USA
1961 Amphicar 770
2001 Fleetwood Storm 31W
2008 Ford Explorer

 

From: Richard Marshall [mailto:richard.marshal...@btinternet.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 2:41 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Test equipment

 

Hi,

 

I too am the recent proud owner of an HP8753B Network Analyser; a
mind-blowingly clever piece of equipment.  Recommended for its Educational
and practical value!.

 

As received, the fan ran - but was very noisy.  I replaced the fan with an
EBM-Papst 4414M, which was slightly quieter - but not as much improvement as
I had hoped.

 

The CRT screen display was a bit dim, but I achieved a surprising and very
useful improvement by following the procedure for re-centering the screen
display.  This brought new areas of phosphor into use for the graticule and
all the screen data. Much easier to read now.

 

My remaining problem is intermittant uncertain contact closure of the
various push-buttons - -presumably dirt or weak springs.  If anyone knows
how to remedy or get replacements please advise!

 

 

Richard Marshall
MA, CEng., FIEE, FInst.P, FIET

 

Richard Marshall Laboratories
30 Ox Lane, Harpenden, Herts. 
AL5 4HE UK 
Phone +44 (0)1582 460815www.design-emc.co.uk
<http://www.design-emc.co.uk/> 
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Re: [PSES] Test equipment

[John Woodgate]

In message <356067BD6A034A848DB054322C7EA6B3@delld28c3cd7db>, dated Sat, 
28 Jun 2014, Richard Marshall  
writes:


I too am the recent proud owner of an HP8753B Network Analyser; a 
mind-blowingly clever piece of equipment.  Recommended for its 
Educational and practical value!.

 


Hello, Richard. I hope you are well. Where did you get this new toy, and 
would you mind giving a price indication?

--
OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk
Quid faciamus nisi sit?
John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK

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Re: [PSES] Test equipment

[Richard Marshall]

Hi,

I too am the recent proud owner of an HP8753B Network Analyser; a 
mind-blowingly clever piece of equipment.  Recommended for its Educational and 
practical value!.

As received, the fan ran - but was very noisy.  I replaced the fan with an 
EBM-Papst 4414M, which was slightly quieter - but not as much improvement as I 
had hoped.

The CRT screen display was a bit dim, but I achieved a surprising and very 
useful improvement by following the procedure for re-centering the screen 
display.  This brought new areas of phosphor into use for the graticule and all 
the screen data. Much easier to read now.

My remaining problem is intermittant uncertain contact closure of the various 
push-buttons - -presumably dirt or weak springs.  If anyone knows how to remedy 
or get replacements please advise!


Richard Marshall
MA, CEng., FIEE, FInst.P, FIET

Richard Marshall Laboratories
30 Ox Lane, Harpenden, Herts. 
AL5 4HE UK 
Phone +44 (0)1582 460815www.design-emc.co.uk
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Re: [PSES] Test equipment question

[Ed Price]

I have service manuals plus much more (138 MB zipped) on the original, A, D
& ES variants. A pack is already on the way to Ken; anyone else who wants a
copy just email me off-list.

 

Ed Price
WB6WSN
Chula Vista, CA USA
1961 Amphicar 770
2001 Fleetwood Storm 31W
2008 Ford Explorer

 

From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 1:46 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Test equipment question

 

Mine is an "A" model without the LEDs, but thank you for letting me know the
fan should be on all the time.


Ken Javor
Phone: (256) 650-5261



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From: Jeffrey Gilbert 
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 13:41:03 -0700
To: Ken Javor 
Cc: 
Subject: Re: [PSES] Test equipment question

Ken,

Mine (8753ES) has two diagnostic LEDs on the back; one on and one off
(Normal Operation).  The fan is always on.  If your LEDs are correct and the
fan is not running, I'd say the fan is probably broken or maybe not plugged
in inside the unit.

On Jun 27, 2014 12:07 PM, "Ken Javor"  wrote:

Am the proud new owner of an (obsolete) HP 8753 network analyzer. The unit
works, but the fan doesn't come on when powered up. I have all the manuals,
but they don't say whether the fan should be on at all times, or whether it
is thermostatically-controlled.  The unit is supposed to shut down in an
overtemp situation, but that is not the same as a
thermostatically-controlled fan.

Anyone out there know, or know how to find out, short of trying to induce an
overtemp situation?

Thank you,

Ken Javor
Phone: (256) 650-5261





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Re: [PSES] Test equipment question

[Ken Javor]

Mine is an ³A² model without the LEDs, but thank you for letting me know the
fan should be on all the time.


Ken Javor
Phone: (256) 650-5261



From: Jeffrey Gilbert 
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 13:41:03 -0700
To: Ken Javor 
Cc: 
Subject: Re: [PSES] Test equipment question

Ken,

Mine (8753ES) has two diagnostic LEDs on the back; one on and one off
(Normal Operation).  The fan is always on.  If your LEDs are correct and the
fan is not running, I'd say the fan is probably broken or maybe not plugged
in inside the unit.

On Jun 27, 2014 12:07 PM, "Ken Javor"  wrote:
> Am the proud new owner of an (obsolete) HP 8753 network analyzer. The unit
> works, but the fan doesn¹t come on when powered up. I have all the manuals,
> but they don¹t say whether the fan should be on at all times, or whether it is
> thermostatically-controlled.  The unit is supposed to shut down in an overtemp
> situation, but that is not the same as a thermostatically-controlled fan.
> 
> Anyone out there know, or know how to find out, short of trying to induce an
> overtemp situation?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Ken Javor
> Phone: (256) 650-5261
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Re: [PSES] Test equipment question

[Jeffrey Gilbert]

Ken,

Mine (8753ES) has two diagnostic LEDs on the back; one on and one off
(Normal Operation).  The fan is always on.  If your LEDs are correct and
the fan is not running, I'd say the fan is probably broken or maybe not
plugged in inside the unit.
On Jun 27, 2014 12:07 PM, "Ken Javor"  wrote:

>  Am the proud new owner of an (obsolete) HP 8753 network analyzer. The
> unit works, but the fan doesn't come on when powered up. I have all the
> manuals, but they don't say whether the fan should be on at all times, or
> whether it is thermostatically-controlled.  The unit is supposed to shut
> down in an overtemp situation, but that is not the same as a
> thermostatically-controlled fan.
>
> Anyone out there know, or know how to find out, short of trying to induce
> an overtemp situation?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Ken Javor
> Phone: (256) 650-5261
>
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[PSES] Test equipment question

[Ken Javor]

Am the proud new owner of an (obsolete) HP 8753 network analyzer. The unit
works, but the fan doesn¹t come on when powered up. I have all the manuals,
but they don¹t say whether the fan should be on at all times, or whether it
is thermostatically-controlled.  The unit is supposed to shut down in an
overtemp situation, but that is not the same as a
thermostatically-controlled fan.

Anyone out there know, or know how to find out, short of trying to induce an
overtemp situation?

Thank you,

Ken Javor
Phone: (256) 650-5261



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[PSES] Test equipment rentals - Northeast USA

[Doug Powell]

 ‎All,‎I have a client who is looking for a for test equipment rental company specializing in compliance testing. This would include tests such as Surge, EFT/Burst for both 100kHz and 1 MHZ, also Ringwave, CDNs and so on.  It may be possible there will also be a need for other equipment such as accessibility probes, impact spheres, etc.A rental house that carries well known brands is preferred and must be able to provide equipment with full ISO 17025 calibration with data from an accredited calibration lab.   My client is in the Philadelphia area and I am personally unfamiliar with any local sources.  So any thing in the Northeast states will do fine.Thanks, - dougDouglas Powellhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01   
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Re: [PSES] Test computers

[ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen]

We use a USB to STP-cable convertor to take the computer out of

the test room.  

Depending on the test levels required, the inside

part will have to be shielded. Take the electronics outside the box

and make a shielded box, add A LOT of filters at both sides.

 

I have been able to test USB equipment  to the requirements of

BMW automotive requirements ( < 10 dBuV/m), while

transferring a 1Gigabyte video file over the link.

 

 

 

Regards,

Ing.  Gert Gremmen, BSc

 

 

 

 

Van: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] 
Verzonden: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 6:17 AM
Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] Test computers

 

Am I missing something (always possible).  Is the test computer in the RF test 
field or outside the test field? 

 

If only required for the test setup and not part of the device under test and 
you are doing radiated emissions and immunity, a long I/O cable with a bunch of 
ferrite and / or a decoupling network should take the computer out of the 
picture entirely. If doing conducted emissions and immunity, powering from a 
filtered source should be enough. If doing immunity on the I/O ports, you may 
need a really good CDN.  

 

I have had occasion where a laptop which was not the DUT failed the testing and 
we could not continue until corrected. Otherwise I am unaware of a regulatory 
restriction on their use for testing.

 

Thanks, - doug

 

Douglas Powell

 

http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01

 

From: McInturff, Gary

Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 5:19 PM

To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG

Reply To: McInturff, Gary

Subject: [PSES] Test computers

 

I’m looking at updating my computer for EMC testing. In this case the computer 
is the support equipment rather than the host. Beyond just finding a “quiet” 
computer I would like to know if there is any reason under ANSI C 64 or CISPR 
22 etc that would prohibit me from buying an all-in-one computer. Essentially 
the monitor is included inside the same housing that also contains the actual 
processor and mother board. I still have the various USB and Video outputs such 
as HDMI. So I still hook up keyboards and USB devices – in most cases the USB 
device is my actual test article.

The benefit is simply that I don’t have to play around with a separate monitor 
and it’s cabling and associated noise.

 

I had been advised against once by a test facility when I suggested I was going 
to move from a desktop to a laptop to try and minimized the test platform. I’m 
not sure why it would be prohibited or if they are actually correct. I can’t 
find a reason behind it other than the antiquated test setups currently 
identified in the standards. Has anyone else run into an actual prohibition?

 

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Re: [PSES] Test computers

[Doug Powell]

Am I missing something (always possible).  Is the test computer in the RF test field or outside the test field? If only required for the test setup and not part of the device under test and you are doing radiated emissions and immunity, a long I/O cable with a bunch of ferrite and / or a decoupling network should take the computer out of the picture entirely. If doing conducted emissions and immunity, powering from a filtered source should be enough. If doing immunity on the I/O ports, you may need a really good CDN.  I have had occasion where a laptop which was not the DUT failed the testing and we could not continue until corrected. Otherwise I am unaware of a regulatory restriction on their use for testing.  Thanks, - dougDouglas Powellhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 From: McInturff, GarySent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 5:19 PMTo: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGReply To: McInturff, GarySubject: [PSES] Test computers







I’m looking at updating my computer for EMC testing. In this case the computer is the support equipment rather than the host. Beyond just finding a “quiet” computer I would like to know if there is any reason under ANSI C 64 or CISPR 22
 etc that would prohibit me from buying an all-in-one computer. Essentially the monitor is included inside the same housing that also contains the actual processor and mother board. I still have the various USB and Video outputs such as HDMI. So I still hook
 up keyboards and USB devices – in most cases the USB device is my actual test article.
The benefit is simply that I don’t have to play around with a separate monitor and it’s cabling and associated noise.
 
I had been advised against once by a test facility when I suggested I was going to move from a desktop to a laptop to try and minimized the test platform. I’m not sure why it would be prohibited or if they are actually correct. I can’t
 find a reason behind it other than the antiquated test setups currently identified in the standards. Has anyone else run into an actual prohibition?
 
Laptops themselves being the glaring exception to the standard test setup.
 
 
 
 
 




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Re: [PSES] Test computers

[Jeffrey Gilbert]

Gary,

Would plugging your USB test article into a laptop, or an all-in-one, be a
valid, representative setup that your customer could possibly employ?  If
so, then using a laptop or an all-in-one *could* be a legitimate test
set-up.

When faced with multiple possiblities involving what an EUT might plug
into, I have generally done enough investigation to find the worst case
scenario, then went with that.  In other words, does your EUT behave worse
with the laptop set-up, the all-in-one setup, or the desktop PC setup?
 Does it behave the same no matter what platform you plug it into?

If it behaves the same in any platform, go with the one that is least
likely to have emissions issues that have nothing to do with your EUT.

ANSI C63.4-2009 (6.3.1.2 - page 28 of my copy) does state that if there is
only one accessory, then it should to go into the peripheral 1 position
shown in figure 6 (page 32 of my copy).

- Jeff


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gary.mcintu...@esterline.com> wrote:

>  I’m looking at updating my computer for EMC testing. In this case the
> computer is the support equipment rather than the host. Beyond just finding
> a “quiet” computer I would like to know if there is any reason under ANSI C
> 64 or CISPR 22 etc that would prohibit me from buying an all-in-one
> computer. Essentially the monitor is included inside the same housing that
> also contains the actual processor and mother board. I still have the
> various USB and Video outputs such as HDMI. So I still hook up keyboards
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> going to move from a desktop to a laptop to try and minimized the test
> platform. I’m not sure why it would be prohibited or if they are actually
> correct. I can’t find a reason behind it other than the antiquated test
> setups currently identified in the standards. Has anyone else run into an
> actual prohibition?
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Re: [PSES] Test computers

[Brian Oconnell]

Employer recently had me do a widget for connect to computer via USB, and comes 
with canned software driver (no API). EMC labs give me lots of trouble. The 
first test house said No, so I said 'bye' and took it down the road to another, 
where they wrote almost a full page on the test conditions. Have settled on a 
single 'representative' computer - a somewhat older Lenovo (2011) Thinkpad. Do 
not know if emissions or immunity are any better or worse than other boxes, but 
what can be reasonably expected? 

IAC, how can an external widget maker control the various combinations of 
keyboards, monitors, rat, and coffee cup heaters attached to the 10E6 types of 
mother board/chip set/OS combos? I say let them eat cake, or burritos...

Would also like to hear from some senior EMC people employed at test labs for 
the FCC and CISPR interpretations on this mess.

Brian

From: McInturff, Gary [mailto:gary.mcintu...@esterline.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 4:18 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Test computers

I'm looking at updating my computer for EMC testing. In this case the computer 
is the support equipment rather than the host. Beyond just finding a "quiet" 
computer I would like to know if there is any reason under ANSI C 64 or CISPR 
22 etc that would prohibit me from buying an all-in-one computer. Essentially 
the monitor is included inside the same housing that also contains the actual 
processor and mother board. I still have the various USB and Video outputs such 
as HDMI. So I still hook up keyboards and USB devices - in most cases the USB 
device is my actual test article.
The benefit is simply that I don't have to play around with a separate monitor 
and it's cabling and associated noise.

I had been advised against once by a test facility when I suggested I was going 
to move from a desktop to a laptop to try and minimized the test platform. I'm 
not sure why it would be prohibited or if they are actually correct. I can't 
find a reason behind it other than the antiquated test setups currently 
identified in the standards. Has anyone else run into an actual prohibition?

Laptops themselves being the glaring exception to the standard test setup.


Gary McInturff
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[PSES] Test computers

[McInturff, Gary]

I'm looking at updating my computer for EMC testing. In this case the computer 
is the support equipment rather than the host. Beyond just finding a "quiet" 
computer I would like to know if there is any reason under ANSI C 64 or CISPR 
22 etc that would prohibit me from buying an all-in-one computer. Essentially 
the monitor is included inside the same housing that also contains the actual 
processor and mother board. I still have the various USB and Video outputs such 
as HDMI. So I still hook up keyboards and USB devices - in most cases the USB 
device is my actual test article.
The benefit is simply that I don't have to play around with a separate monitor 
and it's cabling and associated noise.

I had been advised against once by a test facility when I suggested I was going 
to move from a desktop to a laptop to try and minimized the test platform. I'm 
not sure why it would be prohibited or if they are actually correct. I can't 
find a reason behind it other than the antiquated test setups currently 
identified in the standards. Has anyone else run into an actual prohibition?

Laptops themselves being the glaring exception to the standard test setup.





Gary McInturff
Reliability/Compliance Engineer











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Re: [PSES] Test Lab Approved for AS/NZS 3112 Power Plugs?

[Martin Garwood]

 

Both our Sydney and Melbourne labs perform accredited AS/NZS 3112 testing.

 

 

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Subject: [PSES] Test Lab Approved for AS/NZS 3112 Power Plugs?

 

Esteemed colleagues --

 

I'm looking for a test lab that is approved to run AS/NZS 3112 power plug tests 
in order to obtain a certificate for our design from Australian authorities.

 

Can you recommend one, or are you one? Please reply privately.

 

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Mike Sherman

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Re: [PSES] Test Lab Approved for AS/NZS 3112 Power Plugs?

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Hi Mike,

 

I expect that only an accredited Australian or New Zealand lab will be able to 
do this. You can try SGS Australia on ph: +613 9875 9000, or email: 
paul.huys...@sgs.com. 

 

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Subject: [PSES] Test Lab Approved for AS/NZS 3112 Power Plugs?

 

Esteemed colleagues --

 

I'm looking for a test lab that is approved to run AS/NZS 3112 power plug tests 
in order to obtain a certificate for our design from Australian authorities.

 

Can you recommend one, or are you one? Please reply privately.

 

Thanks!

Mike Sherman

Graco Inc.

msher...@graco.com

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[PSES] Test Lab Approved for AS/NZS 3112 Power Plugs?

[Mike Sherman ----- Original Message -----]

Esteemed colleagues -- 



I'm looking for a test lab that is approved to run AS/NZS 3112 power plug tests 
in order to obtain a certificate for our design from Australian authorities. 



Can you recommend one, or are you one? Please reply privately. 



Thanks! 

Mike Sherman 

Graco Inc. 

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Re: [PSES] Test facility insurance

[Pearson, John]

An oft missed but important issue for manufacturers using 3rd party safety test 
labs is the indemnity liability clause in the agreement.  Manufacturers need to 
be careful that indemnity is sufficient in the event of a "faulty" test issue 
that results in a recall or incident.

Cost and competence are not the sole considerations.

John
From: Charlie Blackham [mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com]
Sent: 25 September 2013 15:02
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Test facility insurance

Scott

I recall a conversation on another email reflector which noted that a "very 
large NRTL" had re-written it's client agreement and, in the event of an error, 
their liability was limited to the cost of re-testing that particular clause!

On a wider note, "consequential losses" are typically excluded from many 
contractual agreements and liability limitations for UK consultants and test 
labs seem to be limited to 100% or 125% of order value.

Regards
Charlie

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Sent: 25 September 2013 14:36
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: Re: [PSES] Test facility insurance

It is very interesting subject.  From time to time, we appoint 3rd party 
laboratories for the testing work.  In case there is an error regardless of 
interpretation or careless mistake, it may result in rework cost of several 
million dollars.  I do not believe any 3rd party testing laboratory to cover 
this loss.  Is there any insurance or infrastructure to cover it.

Thanks and regards,

Scott

On 24/9/13 5:47 AM, "Ken MacGrath"  wrote:
Hello Group,

I'm the owner of an EMC/Product Safety/Reliability/Environmental test facility 
in New Hampshire and would greatly appreciate your input on insurance. What 
would you suggest for coverage, and should test engineers have professional 
liability insurance?

Thank you!

Ken MacGrath
Core Compliance Testing Services, LLC
79 River Road (Route 3A)
Hudson, NH 03051
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Re: [PSES] Test facility insurance

[Scott Xe]

Charlie,

You are right that is a common practice in testing laboratory industry.  As
a client, that is the risk of the business that may not be under the
control.

Regards,

Scott


On 25/9/13 10:01 PM, "Charlie Blackham" 
wrote:

> Scott
>  
> I recall a conversation on another email reflector which noted that a ³very
> large NRTL² had re-written it¹s client agreement and, in the event of an
> error, their liability was limited to the cost of re-testing that particular
> clause!
>  
> On a wider note, ³consequential losses² are typically excluded from many
> contractual agreements and liability limitations for UK consultants and test
> labs seem to be limited to 100% or 125% of order value.
>  
> Regards
> Charlie
>  
> 
> From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 25 September 2013 14:36
> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> Subject: Re: [PSES] Test facility insurance
>  
> It is very interesting subject.  From time to time, we appoint 3rd party
> laboratories for the testing work.  In case there is an error regardless of
> interpretation or careless mistake, it may result in rework cost of several
> million dollars.  I do not believe any 3rd party testing laboratory to cover
> this loss.  Is there any insurance or infrastructure to cover it.
> 
> Thanks and regards,
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 24/9/13 5:47 AM, "Ken MacGrath"  wrote:
> Hello Group, 
> 
> I'm the owner of an EMC/Product Safety/Reliability/Environmental test facility
> in New Hampshire and would greatly appreciate your input on insurance. What
> would you suggest for coverage, and should test engineers have professional
> liability insurance?
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Ken MacGrath 
> Core Compliance Testing Services, LLC
> 79 River Road (Route 3A)
> Hudson, NH 03051 
> 603.889.5545
> 
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Re: [PSES] Test facility insurance

[Charlie Blackham]

Scott

I recall a conversation on another email reflector which noted that a "very 
large NRTL" had re-written it's client agreement and, in the event of an error, 
their liability was limited to the cost of re-testing that particular clause!

On a wider note, "consequential losses" are typically excluded from many 
contractual agreements and liability limitations for UK consultants and test 
labs seem to be limited to 100% or 125% of order value.

Regards
Charlie

From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com]
Sent: 25 September 2013 14:36
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Test facility insurance

It is very interesting subject.  From time to time, we appoint 3rd party 
laboratories for the testing work.  In case there is an error regardless of 
interpretation or careless mistake, it may result in rework cost of several 
million dollars.  I do not believe any 3rd party testing laboratory to cover 
this loss.  Is there any insurance or infrastructure to cover it.

Thanks and regards,

Scott

On 24/9/13 5:47 AM, "Ken MacGrath"  wrote:
Hello Group,

I'm the owner of an EMC/Product Safety/Reliability/Environmental test facility 
in New Hampshire and would greatly appreciate your input on insurance. What 
would you suggest for coverage, and should test engineers have professional 
liability insurance?

Thank you!

Ken MacGrath
Core Compliance Testing Services, LLC
79 River Road (Route 3A)
Hudson, NH 03051
603.889.5545

www.corecompliancetesting.com<http://www.corecompliancetesting.com>

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Re: [PSES] Test facility insurance

[Scott Xe]

It is very interesting subject.  From time to time, we appoint 3rd party
laboratories for the testing work.  In case there is an error regardless of
interpretation or careless mistake, it may result in rework cost of several
million dollars.  I do not believe any 3rd party testing laboratory to cover
this loss.  Is there any insurance or infrastructure to cover it.

Thanks and regards,

Scott

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> Hello Group, 
> 
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> in New Hampshire and would greatly appreciate your input on insurance. What
> would you suggest for coverage, and should test engineers have professional
> liability insurance?
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Ken MacGrath 
> Core Compliance Testing Services, LLC
> 79 River Road (Route 3A)
> Hudson, NH 03051 
> 603.889.5545
> 
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Re: [PSES] Test facility insurance

[Ed Price]

As I'm not a lawyer, the advisability of my comments is always marginal.
But. Some people have been known to achieve peace of mind by resorting to:

 

.ISOLATION, where your assets are so remote and isolated that you
are not worth suing. Are twelve levels of off-shore holding companies
sufficient?



.CHARISMA, where you convince people you are either far too nice a
guy to sue, or the mirror, where you establish that you are a truly
hyperbolic psychopath. Either way requires exceptional people skills.



.MAD (mutual assured destruction), where you make it clear that you
will bankrupt yourself, and anyone who dares to sue you, in a protracted
legal battle prosecuted as a personal vendetta of such epic proportions that
it will influence case law for the next century.


Maybe the most instructive thing to do would be to see what kind of
professional insurance lawyers carry?

 

Ed Price
WB6WSN
Chula Vista, CA USA



 

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:05 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Test facility insurance

 

I don't know about such things but recently our company was asked to sign an
agreement with a local NRTL office that we work with. The agreement is a
long list of items the NRTL would not be responsible for from damaging a
million dollar prototype device or causing a virus getting loose on your
corporate network and everything in between. 

 

The nature of the type of work we do demands that your company and employees
are protected from litigation for a long list of things that could happen.
Also, we have customers on location during testing and you never know what
they might do.

 

If I had my own company I would seek advice from a good corporate lawyer and
insurance company to get what you need and not what you don't need. 

 

The Other Brian

 

From: Ken MacGrath [mailto:khcmacgr...@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 5:47 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Test facility insurance

 

Hello Group, 

 

I'm the owner of an EMC/Product Safety/Reliability/Environmental test
facility in New Hampshire and would greatly appreciate your input on
insurance. What would you suggest for coverage, and should test engineers
have professional liability insurance? 

 

Thank you!

Ken MacGrath 

Core Compliance Testing Services, LLC 
79 River Road (Route 3A) 
Hudson, NH 03051 

603.889.5545

www.corecompliancetesting.com

 

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Re: [PSES] Test facility insurance

[Kunde, Brian]

I don't know about such things but recently our company was asked to sign an 
agreement with a local NRTL office that we work with. The agreement is a long 
list of items the NRTL would not be responsible for from damaging a million 
dollar prototype device or causing a virus getting loose on your corporate 
network and everything in between.

The nature of the type of work we do demands that your company and employees 
are protected from litigation for a long list of things that could happen. 
Also, we have customers on location during testing and you never know what they 
might do.

If I had my own company I would seek advice from a good corporate lawyer and 
insurance company to get what you need and not what you don't need.

The Other Brian

From: Ken MacGrath [mailto:khcmacgr...@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 5:47 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Test facility insurance

Hello Group,

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Re: [PSES] Test facility insurance

[Brian Oconnell]

Warning - IANAL, but I did have an excellent burrito for lunch.
Signatories to reports and the various CAB agreements may need 'errors and
omissions' insurance. If a single person provides the final review and signs
all reports, then perhaps the insurance can be limited to the qualification
of single person.

Brian

From: Ken MacGrath [mailto:khcmacgr...@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 2:47 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Test facility insurance

Hello Group, 

I'm the owner of an EMC/Product Safety/Reliability/Environmental test
facility in New Hampshire and would greatly appreciate your input on
insurance. What would you suggest for coverage, and should test engineers
have professional liability insurance? 

Thank you!
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[PSES] Test facility insurance

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Hello Group,


I'm the owner of an EMC/Product Safety/Reliability/Environmental test facility 
in New Hampshire and would greatly appreciate your input on insurance. What 
would you suggest for coverage, and should test engineers have professional 
liability insurance? 


Thank you!


Ken MacGrath 
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