Re: Abolishing LVD Lower Limits
John, As Kaz pointed out by his web link, the document has now reached revision 5. However, the proposals were developed in a small(ish) working group where not all Member States were present. Also, many comments by those who participated in the development of this document were not resolved in the creation of LVD.5, but the Commission wished to a document into the public domain. Finally, the proposal still has to be reviewed by the European Parliament and the Council of Ministers before it can become law. So, not only are parts of Annex 1 set in modelling clay, so too are other aspects. Of course, the WEEE and RoHS both go down to 0V and so too does the R&TTED. Does this guarantee that the LVD will go down to 0V? I'm not sure who would be in a position to give such a guarantee. Regards, Richard Hughes This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Abolishing LVD Lower Limits
In article <94a47b850669da46b69db0578bbef4e8948...@ausx2kmps303.aus.amer .dell.com>, kazimier_gawrzy...@dell.com writes >The lower limits appear to have been removed from the draft LVD revision >efforts currently under way...Annex I is also very interesting. I heard that some parts of Annex 1 are NOT agreed by all parties. 'Domestic animals' can be almost anything short of a tiger or elephant. My friend's grandson has stick insects and they could easily get into the TV! -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. The good news is that nothing is compulsory. The bad news is that everything is prohibited. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Abolishing LVD Lower Limits
If the LVD voltage limit question is relative to equipment under the R&TTE Directive, there is a caveat statement in item (10) of the introduction: "but with no lower voltage limit applying;" Frank de Vall Assa Abloy ITG Sent by: To owner-emc-pstc@li , stserv.ieee.org cc 09/20/2004 01:19 Subject PM RE: Abolishing LVD Lower Limits The lower limits appear to have been removed from the draft LVD revision efforts currently under way...Annex I is also very interesting. http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/electr_equipment/lv/direct/lvdupdat e5.pdf Regards, Kaz Gawrzyjal Dell Inc. From: owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 1:20 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Abolishing LVD Lower Limits In article <20040920180626.98559.qm...@web14826.mail.yahoo.com>, peter merguerian writes >At one point, the EU was discussing abolishing the low voltage >limits on electrical equipment from the Low Voltage Directive. What >is the status of those discussions? Still under discussion, I believe. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. The good news is that nothing is compulsory. The bad news is that everything is prohibited. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Abolishing LVD Lower Limits
The lower limits appear to have been removed from the draft LVD revision efforts currently under way...Annex I is also very interesting. http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/electr_equipment/lv/direct/lvdupdat e5.pdf Regards, Kaz Gawrzyjal Dell Inc. From: owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 1:20 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Abolishing LVD Lower Limits In article <20040920180626.98559.qm...@web14826.mail.yahoo.com>, peter merguerian writes >At one point, the EU was discussing abolishing the low voltage >limits on electrical equipment from the Low Voltage Directive. What >is the status of those discussions? Still under discussion, I believe. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. The good news is that nothing is compulsory. The bad news is that everything is prohibited. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Abolishing LVD Lower Limits
Peter, Discussions on the revision of the LVD seem to have been given a lower priority over the last year and, as a sign of this, the consultation promised for March/April of this year still hasn't happened. In the mean time the European Commission is all-change, with new Commissioners identified but not yet sworn in. However, I am not aware of any different proposals on this subject and so it still remains a possibility for the future. Regards, Richard Hughes In a message dated 09/20/2004 19:07:20 GMT Standard Time, pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com writes: Dear All, At one point, the EU was discussing abolishing the low voltage limits on electrical equipment from the Low Voltage Directive. What is the status of those discussions? Peter Merguerian This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Abolishing LVD Lower Limits
In article <20040920180626.98559.qm...@web14826.mail.yahoo.com>, peter merguerian writes >At one point, the EU was discussing abolishing the low voltage >limits on electrical equipment from the Low Voltage Directive. What >is the status of those discussions? Still under discussion, I believe. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. The good news is that nothing is compulsory. The bad news is that everything is prohibited. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Abolishing LVD Lower Limits
Dear All, At one point, the EU was discussing abolishing the low voltage limits on electrical equipment from the Low Voltage Directive. What is the status of those discussions? Peter Merguerian _ Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
