Fwd: EMC immunity requirements in Canada?
Reposted due to server failure... Begin forwarded message: From: Warren Birmingham Date: Fri Sep 20, 2002 18:55:25 US/Pacific To: Marko Radojicic Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: EMC immunity requirements in Canada? I was not clear enough in my original message when I said that there ARE requirements but no per se standards. The de-facto immunity requirements the FCC has (and the Canadians) is the responsibility the manufacturer accepts as posted on the label. This is called out in 15.19 (in part) as follows: (3) All other devices shall bear the following statement in a conspicuous location on the device: This device complies with part 15 of the FCC Rules. Operation is subject to the following two conditions: (1) This device may not cause harmful interference, and (2) this device must accept any interference received, including interference that may cause undesired operation. Thus the FCC does not dictate WHAT the testing levels are, only that the manufacturer must meet generally accepted design guidelines that protect the consumer and is on the hook for meeting them at their expense. If this is splitting hairs to anyone, it is not that vague to me. Warren Birmingham Epsilon Mu consultants On Thursday, Sep 19, 2002, at 16:33 US/Pacific, Marko Radojicic wrote: Warren, Could you reference the section of part 15 (or elsewhere) where the FCC calls out immunity requirements? I have to speculate that you are mixing up other requirements such as GR-1089 NEBS with the FCC. Thanks, Marko -Original Message- From: Warren Birmingham [mailto:war...@comfortjets.com] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 8:59 AM To: am...@westin-emission.no Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: EMC immunity requirements in Canada? The Canadians accept FCC data, which DOES include immunity requirements. There are no testing standards for immunity, only that the device must accept any interference for normal operation. See the labeling requirements for verification and certification in Part 15. Warren Birmingham Epsilon-Mu Consultants (510) 793-4806 email: war...@epsilon-mu.com website: http://www.epsilon-mu.com On Thursday, Sep 19, 2002, at 05:22 US/Pacific, am...@westin-emission.no wrote: As far as I remember, US (FCC) do only have emission (radiated / conducted) requirements. What about Canada (IC) do they have immunity requirements in addition ? Best regards Amund Westin, Oslo/ NORWAY --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
AW: EMC immunity requirements in Canada?
Hi Amund, Products in Canada must conform to the following: * ICES-003 for digital apparatus * CAN/CSA - CISPR 22-96 for other devices ICES-003 incorporates by reference CSA C108.8-M1983 or CAN/CSA-CISPR 22-96 as an alternative standard. The manufacturer can choose which one to use. Canada has no mandatory immunity requirements. The following Industry voluntary standards can be used: * ANSI/TIA/EIA-613 * EIA 470 A (a belltap standard) * ANSI T1.308 (applies to central office equipment) ICES-003 is based on CISPR 22 and FCC Part 15. Devices that meet CISPR 22 or FCC 15 do not have to be separately tested to ICES-003. Canada has a "self certification" requirement for EMC testing. Any test laboratory or manufacturer that can perform the tests can certify that the product meets these standards. IC has a guide to compliance with ICES-003 named "Electromagnetic Compatibility Advisory Bulletin (EMCAB) - 3". This guide is available from IC's website. Category I Equipment and EMC These devices must be certified by Industry Canada. The Radio Equipment approval process is followed. The manufacturer or an independent test lab does the required EMC testing and prepares a test report that must be kept for 5 years. Category II Equipment and EMC The manufacturer or an independent test lab does the required EMC testing and prepares a test report that must be kept for 5 years. Industry Canada can request to see this test report at any time. These devices are labeled as Class A or B and the notice affixed to the device as required by ICES-003 IC accepts for the purposes of radio equipment certification, radiated emission measurements taken using a GTEM device under certain conditions. Contact the Certification and Engineering Bureau for more information: Certification and Engineering Bureau Telephone:+1 613 952 3650 Telefax: +1 613 952 1088 Email: kasper.br...@ic.gc.ca Contact: Brian Kasper A notice about GTEM testing is found at: http://spectrum.ic.gc.ca/~cert/ Canada has no mandatory immunity requirements. The following Industry voluntary standards can be used: * ANSI/TIA/EIA-613 * EIA 470 A (a belltap standard) * ANSI T1.308 (applies to central office equipment) Hope this helps. Kind regards Mario Lehmann Lucent Technologies Network Systems GmbH European Compliance Laboratory (ECL) DMTS/EMC Compliance Engineer Thurn-und-Taxis-Strasse 10 D-90411 Nuernberg Tel.: +49 (0) 911 526-4310 Fax: +49 (0) 911 526-2391 mailto:mlehm...@lucent.com http://www.lucent.de/ecl -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: am...@westin-emission.no [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. September 2002 14:22 An: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Betreff: EMC immunity requirements in Canada? As far as I remember, US (FCC) do only have emission (radiated / conducted) requirements. What about Canada (IC) do they have immunity requirements in addition ? Best regards Amund Westin, Oslo/ NORWAY --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
Re: EMC immunity requirements in Canada?
The Canadians accept FCC data, which DOES include immunity requirements. There are no testing standards for immunity, only that the device must accept any interference for normal operation. See the labeling requirements for verification and certification in Part 15. Warren Birmingham Epsilon-Mu Consultants (510) 793-4806 email: war...@epsilon-mu.com website: http://www.epsilon-mu.com On Thursday, Sep 19, 2002, at 05:22 US/Pacific, am...@westin-emission.no wrote: > > As far as I remember, US (FCC) do only have emission (radiated / > conducted) > requirements. > What about Canada (IC) do they have immunity requirements in > addition ? > > Best regards > Amund Westin, Oslo/ NORWAY > > > --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
RE: EMC immunity requirements in Canada?
Hi Warren, As I understand the FCC Part 15 regs there are NO immunity requirements. Indeed the FCC have in the past allowed the market to dictate the "quality" of the EM design. Has there been a change?? Best Regards Charles Grasso Senior Compliance Engineer Echostar Communications Corp. Tel: 303-706-5467 Fax: 303-799-6222 Cell: 303-204-2974 Email: charles.gra...@echostar.com; Email Alternate: chasgra...@ieee.org -Original Message- From: Warren Birmingham [mailto:war...@comfortjets.com] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:59 AM To: am...@westin-emission.no Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: EMC immunity requirements in Canada? The Canadians accept FCC data, which DOES include immunity requirements. There are no testing standards for immunity, only that the device must accept any interference for normal operation. See the labeling requirements for verification and certification in Part 15. Warren Birmingham Epsilon-Mu Consultants (510) 793-4806 email: war...@epsilon-mu.com website: http://www.epsilon-mu.com On Thursday, Sep 19, 2002, at 05:22 US/Pacific, am...@westin-emission.no wrote: > > As far as I remember, US (FCC) do only have emission (radiated / > conducted) > requirements. > What about Canada (IC) do they have immunity requirements in > addition ? > > Best regards > Amund Westin, Oslo/ NORWAY > > > --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
Re: EMC immunity requirements in Canada?
The Canadians accept FCC data, which DOES include immunity requirements. There are no testing standards for immunity, only that the device must accept any interference for normal operation. See the labeling requirements for verification and certification in Part 15. Warren Birmingham Epsilon-Mu Consultants (510) 793-4806 email: war...@epsilon-mu.com website: http://www.epsilon-mu.com On Thursday, Sep 19, 2002, at 05:22 US/Pacific, am...@westin-emission.no wrote: As far as I remember, US (FCC) do only have emission (radiated / conducted) requirements. What about Canada (IC) do they have immunity requirements in addition ? Best regards Amund Westin, Oslo/ NORWAY --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
Re: EMC immunity requirements in Canada?
Amund, Like the US, Canada has just radiated and conducted emissions requirements. The pertinent standard for Digital Apparatus is Industry Canada's ICES-003 Issue 3, dated November 22, 1997. This standard may be downloaded from: http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/SSG/1/sf00020e.html and the implementation/interpretation guide from: http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/SSG/1/sf01006e.html You may want to refer to three web pages on our company's web site about international electromagnetic compatibility (EMC), electromagnetic interference (EMC), and electrostatic discharge (ESD) requirements: * http://www.dbicorporation.com/ite.htm for information technology equipment (ITE). * http://www.dbicorporation.com/generic.htm for generic devices used in residential, commercial, and light industrial areas. * http://www.dbicorporation.com/industry.htm for generic devices used in industry. John Barnes KS4GL dBi Corporation http://www.dbicorporation.com/ --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
RE: EMC immunity requirements in Canada?
No. Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International -Original Message- From: am...@westin-emission.no [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 8:22 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: EMC immunity requirements in Canada? As far as I remember, US (FCC) do only have emission (radiated / conducted) requirements. What about Canada (IC) do they have immunity requirements in addition ? Best regards Amund Westin, Oslo/ NORWAY --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
Re: EMC immunity requirements in Canada?
Amund: Industry Canada does not have immunity requirements for Class A/B products. Regards Kevin Keegan KES & Associates Ottawa Canada - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 8:22 AM Subject: EMC immunity requirements in Canada? > > As far as I remember, US (FCC) do only have emission (radiated / conducted) > requirements. > What about Canada (IC) do they have immunity requirements in addition ? > > Best regards > Amund Westin, Oslo/ NORWAY > > > > --- > This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety > Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > > Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: > unsubscribe emc-pstc > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com > Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org > Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ > Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" > --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
EMC immunity requirements in Canada?
As far as I remember, US (FCC) do only have emission (radiated / conducted) requirements. What about Canada (IC) do they have immunity requirements in addition ? Best regards Amund Westin, Oslo/ NORWAY --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
