Re: ESD Gun targets

2003-05-06 Thread Jim Ericson

Dave:

I would be delighted to take a target (on loan) and do my best to evaluate
it ... within the limitations of my instrumentation.

Thanks for the offer.

Jim Ericson
Acme Testing Company
j...@acmetesting.com


- Original Message - 
From: "drcuthbert" 
To: "'Jim Ericson'" ; "emcpost"

Cc: "drcuthbert" 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:45 AM
Subject: ESD Gun targets


> Jim,
>
> the Pelligrini Target spec in EN61000-4-2 is quite a challenge to meet.
The 1 dB insertion loss delta from DC to 4 GHz to be exact. The simulation
of my proposed PCB design shows that it can meet the spec and I have the
equipment to verify this.
>
> I will build a few targets. Perhaps a few of you would like a target to
use and to provide feedback. Who wants a target? Step right up and get your
red hot Pelligrini targets!
>
>Dave Cuthbert
>Micron Technology
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Ericson [mailto:jde...@nas.com]
> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 5:09 PM
> To: emcpost
> Cc: drcuthbert
> Subject: Re: ESD Gun "verification"
>
>
> Dave:
>
> Yes.  The current-sensing transducer that I built ("Pelligrini Target") is
> per the Annex B drawings in EN 61000-4-2:1995 + A1:1998 +A2:2001.  It has
> five paralleled 240 Ohm resistors arranged radially around the
oscilloscope
> side to give 48 Ohms.  On the ESD Gun side are twenty-five radially spaced
> 50 Ohm resistors to give 2 Ohms.  Transconductance is 1 Amp/1 Volt into 50
> Ohms.
>
> The present Standard requires a minimum 1 GHz bandwidth oscilloscope.
>
> I use a Pasternak Model PE7002-30 (DC to 2 GHz) 1 Watt Attenuator between
> the Pelligrini Target and the scope (voltage ratio of 32).  The
oscilloscope
> is a Tektronix 7104 with 7B10 time base, and a 7A26 dual-trace amplifier.
>
> I'll email a couple of photos to you (offline), and copy Mr. Pommerenke
and
> Mr. Kinney.
>
> Regards,
> Jim Ericson
> Acme Testing Company
> j...@acmetesting.com
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "drcuthbert" 
> To: "'Jim Ericson'" 
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 8:07 AM
> Subject: RE: ESD Gun "verification"
>
>
> > Jim,
> >
> > I simulated this. I am assuming the circuit is a 2 ohm resistor to GND.
If
> so, the series inductance must be <0.1 nH for the 2 ohm resistor. Does
this
> sound right? I can do this with 25 paralleled 49.9 ohm resistors arranged
> radially around the input (discharge) point.
> >
> >Dave Cuthbert
> >Micron Technology
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jim Ericson [mailto:jde...@nas.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 11:50 PM
> > To: emcpost
> > Subject: ESD Gun "verification"
> >
> >
> >
> > John:
> >
> > I faced the same problem about six years ago.  I needed to do
> "verification"
> > in between the expensive annual "calibrations".  I first explored the
> option
> > of buying a Pelligrini Target.  As I recall, the quotes I received were
> > around $2000.  That seemed outrageous, so I decided to build one myself.
> > I'll bet it took me at least 3 days to make sense of those goofy
> mechanical
> > drawings in 61000-4-2.  If only they had included a photograph or good
> > cross-section in the Standard!
> >
> > Anyway, I finally figured it out, translated the drawings into something
> > understandable by a U.S. machine shop, and got all the brass parts
> > fabricated locally.  It took several in-process consulting sessions with
> the
> > machinist, but I finally got all the brass parts done for around $300.
> > Then, I purchased a $25 silver electroplating kit.  It was like Science
> Fair
> > time in my workshop!  Some hours of painstaking soldering later, the
> target
> > was completed.  I mounted it over a specially-drilled hole in the brass
> wall
> > panel of our anechoic chamber (you need a Faraday Cage of some sort, and
> > this seemed the easiest).  I did a quick check using our Tektronix 1 GHz
> > analog oscilloscope ... and the risetimes and overall waveforms measured
> > within spec!  Then, I sent the target to Haefely-Trench for a
> "calibration"
> > (against their standard Pelligrini target).  The results were very, very
> > close.
> >
> > Having performed many verifications at this point, my advice (if you
want
> > fairly accurate and repeatable results):
> >
> > 1.Make (or buy) something resembling the 61000-4-2 target.
> > 2.Use a Faraday Cage.
> > 3.Be aware how important the POSITION of the ESD Gun 

ESD Gun targets

2003-05-05 Thread drcuthbert

Jim,

the Pelligrini Target spec in EN61000-4-2 is quite a challenge to meet. The 1
dB insertion loss delta from DC to 4 GHz to be exact. The simulation of my
proposed PCB design shows that it can meet the spec and I have the equipment
to verify this.

I will build a few targets. Perhaps a few of you would like a target to use
and to provide feedback. Who wants a target? Step right up and get your red
hot Pelligrini targets!

   Dave Cuthbert
   Micron Technology


From: Jim Ericson [mailto:jde...@nas.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 5:09 PM
To: emcpost
Cc: drcuthbert
Subject: Re: ESD Gun "verification"


Dave:

Yes.  The current-sensing transducer that I built ("Pelligrini Target") is
per the Annex B drawings in EN 61000-4-2:1995 + A1:1998 +A2:2001.  It has
five paralleled 240 Ohm resistors arranged radially around the oscilloscope
side to give 48 Ohms.  On the ESD Gun side are twenty-five radially spaced
50 Ohm resistors to give 2 Ohms.  Transconductance is 1 Amp/1 Volt into 50
Ohms.

The present Standard requires a minimum 1 GHz bandwidth oscilloscope.

I use a Pasternak Model PE7002-30 (DC to 2 GHz) 1 Watt Attenuator between
the Pelligrini Target and the scope (voltage ratio of 32).  The oscilloscope
is a Tektronix 7104 with 7B10 time base, and a 7A26 dual-trace amplifier.

I'll email a couple of photos to you (offline), and copy Mr. Pommerenke and
Mr. Kinney.

Regards,
Jim Ericson
Acme Testing Company
j...@acmetesting.com


- Original Message - 
From: "drcuthbert" 
To: "'Jim Ericson'" 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 8:07 AM
Subject: RE: ESD Gun "verification"


> Jim,
>
> I simulated this. I am assuming the circuit is a 2 ohm resistor to GND. If
so, the series inductance must be <0.1 nH for the 2 ohm resistor. Does this
sound right? I can do this with 25 paralleled 49.9 ohm resistors arranged
radially around the input (discharge) point.
>
>Dave Cuthbert
>Micron Technology
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Ericson [mailto:jde...@nas.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 11:50 PM
> To: emcpost
> Subject: ESD Gun "verification"
>
>
>
> John:
>
> I faced the same problem about six years ago.  I needed to do
"verification"
> in between the expensive annual "calibrations".  I first explored the
option
> of buying a Pelligrini Target.  As I recall, the quotes I received were
> around $2000.  That seemed outrageous, so I decided to build one myself.
> I'll bet it took me at least 3 days to make sense of those goofy
mechanical
> drawings in 61000-4-2.  If only they had included a photograph or good
> cross-section in the Standard!
>
> Anyway, I finally figured it out, translated the drawings into something
> understandable by a U.S. machine shop, and got all the brass parts
> fabricated locally.  It took several in-process consulting sessions with
the
> machinist, but I finally got all the brass parts done for around $300.
> Then, I purchased a $25 silver electroplating kit.  It was like Science
Fair
> time in my workshop!  Some hours of painstaking soldering later, the
target
> was completed.  I mounted it over a specially-drilled hole in the brass
wall
> panel of our anechoic chamber (you need a Faraday Cage of some sort, and
> this seemed the easiest).  I did a quick check using our Tektronix 1 GHz
> analog oscilloscope ... and the risetimes and overall waveforms measured
> within spec!  Then, I sent the target to Haefely-Trench for a
"calibration"
> (against their standard Pelligrini target).  The results were very, very
> close.
>
> Having performed many verifications at this point, my advice (if you want
> fairly accurate and repeatable results):
>
> 1.Make (or buy) something resembling the 61000-4-2 target.
> 2.Use a Faraday Cage.
> 3.Be aware how important the POSITION of the ESD Gun Grounding Strap
is
> to these measurements ... especially to risetime measurements.  I always
> take a photograph of the setup, including the "shape" of the Grounding
Strap
> and where it is attached.  If you don't do this, you'll get pretty wild
> variability between verifications.
> 4.Even a 500 MHz oscilloscope would probably be OK for "verification".
> Just make certain that all setup parameters (including Ground Strap
> placement) are EXACTLY the same each time.  That way, if the GUN happens
to
> change, you'll at least know what to do next.
>
> Give me a call if you'd like a photo.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Jim Ericson
> Quality System Manager/Sr. EMC Engineer
> Acme Testing Company
> Acme, WA.
> 888-226-3837
> j...@acmetesting.com
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "John Harrington" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 11:45 AM
> Subject: ESD gun verification
>
>
> >
> > Hello All
> >
> > Does any one have a quick and dirty (and hopefully cheap) way to verify
> the
> > performance of an ESD gun.
> >
> > Please, no one suggest building the current sensing system described in
> the
> > back of IEC 61000-4-2.  I don't understand the drawings let alone have
the
> > workshop or mate