RE: PDF file copy method
Barry, If the protections are set so that you can neither select text nor print, you are pretty much out of luck. If the problem is that the pdf file was created from a scanned document you may be able to print to a fax file (if you have a fax modem card and appropriate software. Many fax programs have OCR (Optical Character Recognition)capability. You can print to a stored fax file, and then open it as if it were a received fax, using the OCR input option. Some OCR programs are better than others at recovering text correctly. It's worth a try if you or a co-worker already have the software. Just a thought. Scott Lacey At 01:59 PM 7/17/2000 -0700, Barry Ma wrote: Hi, When reading an EMC article in PDF file, I sometimes want to copy a couple of sentences or paragraph to my MS WORD document. Most of times I failed. But a few times I could do it. I don't know why. Do you have the same experience? --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: PDF file copy method
Derek, Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. Walk away from the Sun. Come back to the fold of the one true office suite god. ;-) Dave -Original Message- From: lfresea...@aol.com [mailto:lfresea...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 5:09 PM To: barry...@altavista.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: PDF file copy method Barry, your using MS word! A pathetic piece of software. I've changed to Star office from SUN Microsystems. It beats MS word in just about everything! I did work for SUN, briefly, so I'm biased But it's free, so I'm not commercially motivated;-) Derek Walton --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: PDF file copy method
You can check for yourself just by opening the pdf, then clicking on File, then Document Info, and then Security. You will see a list of what's allowed for this document. Ed :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-) Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Systems San Diego, CA. USA 858-505-2780 (Voice) 858-505-1583 (Fax) Military Avionics EMC Services Is Our Specialty Shake-Bake-Shock - Metrology - Reliability Analysis :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-) -Original Message- From: ron_well...@agilent.com [mailto:ron_well...@agilent.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 5:51 AM To: c...@dolby.co.uk; ron_well...@agilent.com; barry...@altavista.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: PDF file copy method Interesting comment Chris. The Acrobat Reader has its limitations depending on how the PDF document was created. Being that we do not know the way the PDF document Barry is talking about was created, you can make all the interpretations you want. Maybe Barry should send you a copy of the document to the list so the self-proclaimed Acrobat experts can help him out. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-345-8630 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-SQ |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age | | eighteen. - Albert Einstein | +=+ -Original Message- From: James, Chris [mailto:c...@dolby.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 1:38 AM To: 'ron_well...@agilent.com'; barry...@altavista.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: PDF file copy method Incorrect! - from ANY version reader you can copy text or graphics unless it is protected. Yes, to modify a pdf you need Acrobat Exchange. Chris -Original Message- From: ron_well...@agilent.com [mailto:ron_well...@agilent.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 4:42 AM To: barry...@altavista.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: PDF file copy method Barry, You need to get a full copy of Adobe Acrobat, not the Reader. Depending on whether the original PDF document is password protected, you should be able to a do page capture and make the text selectable. Then you can copy it into the word processor of choice. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-345-8630 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-SQ |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age | | eighteen. - Albert Einstein | +=+ -Original Message- From: Barry Ma [mailto:barry...@altavista.com] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 2:00 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: PDF file copy method Hi, When reading an EMC article in PDF file, I sometimes want to copy a couple of sentences or paragraph to my MS WORD document. Most of times I failed. But a few times I could do it. I don't know why. Do you have the same experience? --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: PDF file copy method
Interesting comment Chris. The Acrobat Reader has its limitations depending on how the PDF document was created. Being that we do not know the way the PDF document Barry is talking about was created, you can make all the interpretations you want. Maybe Barry should send you a copy of the document to the list so the self-proclaimed Acrobat experts can help him out. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-345-8630 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-SQ |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age | | eighteen. - Albert Einstein | +=+ -Original Message- From: James, Chris [mailto:c...@dolby.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 1:38 AM To: 'ron_well...@agilent.com'; barry...@altavista.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: PDF file copy method Incorrect! - from ANY version reader you can copy text or graphics unless it is protected. Yes, to modify a pdf you need Acrobat Exchange. Chris -Original Message- From: ron_well...@agilent.com [mailto:ron_well...@agilent.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 4:42 AM To: barry...@altavista.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: PDF file copy method Barry, You need to get a full copy of Adobe Acrobat, not the Reader. Depending on whether the original PDF document is password protected, you should be able to a do page capture and make the text selectable. Then you can copy it into the word processor of choice. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-345-8630 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-SQ |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age | | eighteen. - Albert Einstein | +=+ -Original Message- From: Barry Ma [mailto:barry...@altavista.com] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 2:00 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: PDF file copy method Hi, When reading an EMC article in PDF file, I sometimes want to copy a couple of sentences or paragraph to my MS WORD document. Most of times I failed. But a few times I could do it. I don't know why. Do you have the same experience? ___ $1 million in prizes! 20 daily instant winners. AltaVista Rewards: Click here to win! http://shopping.altavista.com/e.sdc?e=3 ___ --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail
RE: PDF file copy method
One thing not mentioned in all the posts on this subject is that if the document was scanned and not captured then the text is really graphics and would not be selectable as text. Thankfully most documents these days are created directly from the source document into a PDF using PDF Writer which allows the file to be compact and the text selectable. This is not always the case though. -- Dan Roman, Compliance Engineer Dialogic®, an Intel Company 1515 Rt. Ten, Parsippany, NJ 07054 mailto:dan.ro...@dialogic.com Mail Stop: 2PY2-021 Voice: +1 (973) 967-6485 Fax: +1 (973) 967-8109 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: PDF file copy method
Incorrect! - from ANY version reader you can copy text or graphics unless it is protected. Yes, to modify a pdf you need Acrobat Exchange. Chris -Original Message- From: ron_well...@agilent.com [mailto:ron_well...@agilent.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 4:42 AM To: barry...@altavista.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: PDF file copy method Barry, You need to get a full copy of Adobe Acrobat, not the Reader. Depending on whether the original PDF document is password protected, you should be able to a do page capture and make the text selectable. Then you can copy it into the word processor of choice. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-345-8630 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-SQ |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age | | eighteen. - Albert Einstein | +=+ -Original Message- From: Barry Ma [mailto:barry...@altavista.com] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 2:00 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: PDF file copy method Hi, When reading an EMC article in PDF file, I sometimes want to copy a couple of sentences or paragraph to my MS WORD document. Most of times I failed. But a few times I could do it. I don't know why. Do you have the same experience? ___ $1 million in prizes! 20 daily instant winners. AltaVista Rewards: Click here to win! http://shopping.altavista.com/e.sdc?e=3 ___ --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: PDF file copy method
Barry - what's it like being a minority? This does not really help though does it. From Acrobat you should be able to cut and paste text into any wp application or ascii editor. In Acrobat 3 there is a select text tool icon and on the tools drop down there is otions to select text or graphics. On Acrobat 4 there is only a select text icon BUT if you hold the pointer down on the icon it will flip to a selection of select grahics or select column also. Chris -Original Message- From: lfresea...@aol.com [mailto:lfresea...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 1:09 AM To: barry...@altavista.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: PDF file copy method Barry, your using MS word! A pathetic piece of software. I've changed to Star office from SUN Microsystems. It beats MS word in just about everything! I did work for SUN, briefly, so I'm biased But it's free, so I'm not commercially motivated;-) Derek Walton --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: PDF file copy method
Barry: This is copied from the pdf Help file: Copying and pasting text and graphics to another application You can select text or a graphic in a PDF document, copy it to the Clipboard, and paste it into a document in another application such as a word processor. You can also paste text into a PDF document note or into a bookmark. Once the selected text or graphic is on the Clipboard, you can switch to another application and paste it into another document. Note: If a font copied from a PDF document is not available on the system displaying the copied text, the font cannot be preserved. A default font is substituted..Page 54 Using Acrobat Reader To select text and copy it to the clipboard: 1 Select the text select tool , and do one of the following: To select a line of text, select the first letter of the sentence or phrase and drag to the last letter. To select multiple columns of text (horizontally), hold down Ctrl (Windows and UNIX) or Option (Mac OS) as you drag across the width of the document. To select a column of text (vertically), hold down Ctrl+Alt (Windows) or Option+Command (Mac OS) as you drag the length of the document. To select all the text on the page, choose Edit Select All. In Single Page mode, all the text on the current page is selected. In Continuous or Continuous - Facing mode, most of the text in the document is selected. When you release the mouse button, the selected text is highlighted. To deselect the text and start over, click anywhere outside the selected text. The Select All command will not select all the text in the document. A workaround for this (Windows) is to use the Edit Copy command. 2 Choose Edit Copy to copy the selected text to the Clipboard. 3 To view the text, choose Window Show Clipboard..Page 55 Using Acrobat Reader In Windows 95, the Clipboard Viewer is not installed by default, and you cannot use the Show Clipboard command until it is installed. To install the Clipboard Viewer, choose Start Settings Control Panel Add/Remove Programs, and then click the Windows Setup tab. Double-click Accessories, check Clipboard Viewer, and click OK. To copy graphics to the Clipboard: 1 Select the graphics select tool by holding down the mouse button on the text select tool and dragging to the graphics select tool. Or press Shift-V as necessary to cycle through the group of tools. The cursor changes to the cross-hair icon. 2 Drag a rectangle around the graphic you want to copy. To deselect the graphic and start over, click anywhere outside the selected graphic. 3 Choose Edit Copy to copy the graphic to the Clipboard. 4 To view the graphic, choose Window Show Clipboard. The graphic is copied using the WMF (Windows), PICT (Mac OS), or XPIXMAP (UNIX) format. In UNIX, the graphic is pasted in the primary selection. Now, I didn't put in any editing. This was a single pass, highlighted in the pdf document, copied, and pasted into Outlook. Notice that it does need a little cleanup. Be sure that you have the Continuous page mode selected, or you can only copy from any one page at a time. BTW, the pdf author can set the security to not allow copying. Ed :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-) Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Systems San Diego, CA. USA 858-505-2780 (Voice) 858-505-1583 (Fax) Military Avionics EMC Services Is Our Specialty Shake-Bake-Shock - Metrology - Reliability Analysis :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-) -Original Message- From: Barry Ma [mailto:barry...@altavista.com] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 2:00 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: PDF file copy method Hi, When reading an EMC article in PDF file, I sometimes want to copy a couple of sentences or paragraph to my MS WORD document. Most of times I failed. But a few times I could do it. I don't know why. Do you have the same experience? --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re:RE: PDF file copy method
Forwarding for George.. Jim Reply Separator Subject:RE: PDF file copy method Author: Seminsky; George gsemin...@nuera.com List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 7/17/00 2:30 PM It is my understanding that at the time the pdf file is generated, the pdf generation software has a user-settable flag to allow that feature in the resulting pdf file. George Seminsky Compliance Engineering Nuera Communications. Inc. 10445 Pacific Center Court San Diego, CA 92121 Ph 858 625 9220 X1248 Fx 858 625 2422 www.nuera.com -Original Message- From: Barry Ma [mailto:barry...@altavista.com] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 2:00 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: PDF file copy method Hi, When reading an EMC article in PDF file, I sometimes want to copy a couple of sentences or paragraph to my MS WORD document. Most of times I failed. But a few times I could do it. I don't know why. Do you have the same experience? --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: PDF file copy method
which version of Acrobat Reader do you have ? Acrobat Reader 3.0, under Tools menu, has select text and select graphic. Acrobat Reader 4.0 does not have this feature anymore, or at least I can't find it. Jim Bacher wrote: Forwarding for George.. Jim Reply Separator Subject:RE: PDF file copy method Author: Seminsky; George gsemin...@nuera.com Date: 7/17/00 2:30 PM It is my understanding that at the time the pdf file is generated, the pdf generation software has a user-settable flag to allow that feature in the resulting pdf file. George Seminsky Compliance Engineering Nuera Communications. Inc. 10445 Pacific Center Court San Diego, CA 92121 Ph 858 625 9220 X1248 Fx 858 625 2422 www.nuera.com -Original Message- From: Barry Ma [mailto:barry...@altavista.com] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 2:00 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: PDF file copy method Hi, When reading an EMC article in PDF file, I sometimes want to copy a couple of sentences or paragraph to my MS WORD document. Most of times I failed. But a few times I could do it. I don't know why. Do you have the same experience? --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
PDF file copy method
Hi, When reading an EMC article in PDF file, I sometimes want to copy a couple of sentences or paragraph to my MS WORD document. Most of times I failed. But a few times I could do it. I don't know why. Do you have the same experience? ___ $1 million in prizes! 20 daily instant winners. AltaVista Rewards: Click here to win! http://shopping.altavista.com/e.sdc?e=3 ___ --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
