RE: Certificate of Incoorporation???

2001-06-28 Thread Mark Haynes 

Andy,

I have never heard of the term "certificate of incorporation".  However,
Article 4(2) and Annex IIB of the Machinery Directive (98/37/EC) reference a
document that has been referred to as a "declaration of incorporation".
That might be what your vendor was referring to.  The wording in the
directive indicates that it is for "machinery that is intended to be
incorporated into machinery or assembled with other machinery...".  I also
have an example of this document (from a UL Seminar on CE Marking) if you
want to take a look at it.  It states that this type of machinery is not
allowed to be put into operation until the end product machinery has been
"properly evaluated".  Let me know if you want me to e-mail you a copy of
the example declaration or the applicable pages from the directive.

Hope this helps!

Best regards,

Mark A. Haynes
Senior Product Safety Engineer
D.L.S. Conformity Assessment, Inc.
1250 Peterson Drive
Wheeling, IL 60090-6454
(847) 537-6400 (Ext. 157)
Fax (847) 537-6488
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Hello-
Can someone explain to me what a "Certificate of Incorporation" is?  One of
our vendors wants to supply this in lieu of an "EU Declaration of
Conformity" for CE compliance.
Can someone enlighten me?

Thanks again-
-Andy

Andrew Veit
Systems Design Engineer
MTS Systems Corp
Ph: 919.677.2507
Fax: 919.677.2480
1001 Sheldon Drive 
Cary, NC 27513 


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Re: Certificate of Incoorporation???

2001-06-28 Thread fwest 


Hi Andy,

A certificate of incorporation is what should be issued with a sub-assembly
that cannot operate on its own, and will be incorporated into a larger
machine once shipped into the EU.

See the machinery directive 98/37/EC, article 4, para 2, for the
requirement for an article of incorporation, and see annex II, section B
for the information to list on the article of incorporation.

In general, an article of incorporation is exactly like the DOC with these
exceptions:

1.  At the top, you list "Article of Incorporation" instead of "Declaration
of Conformity" :-)
2.  You do not have to list any directives or standards, as the item is not
required to comply with any AT THIS TIME.
3.  You must include the statement "This machine must not be put into
service until such time as the machinery into which it is incorporated has
been declared in conformity with the provisions of the Machinery Directive
98/37/EC", or something very similar.

Note that an interesting point is that at the time of import, the equipment
does not have to comply with the machinery directive nor any technical
standards.  It must comply eventually, when the equipment is incorporated
and the larger assembly is declared to be in compliance.  The machine also
should not be CE marked under the machinery directive when this route is
used.

An second interesting aside is that while the machinery directive has
provision for a declaration of incorporation, the EMC directive and LVD
directives do not.  A purist would insist that while MD compliance can be
delayed, compliance with the others can not.  However, in practice, we
delay compliance with all three if needed until incorporation time.

Best Regards,

Frank W.

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Hello-
Can someone explain to me what a "Certificate of Incorporation" is?  One of
our vendors wants to supply this in lieu of an "EU Declaration of
Conformity" for CE compliance.
Can someone enlighten me?

Thanks again-
-Andy

Andrew Veit
Systems Design Engineer
MTS Systems Corp
Ph: 919.677.2507
Fax: 919.677.2480
1001 Sheldon Drive
Cary, NC 27513


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RE: Certificate of Incoorporation???

2001-06-28 Thread Clement Dave-LDC009 

Andy,

"Certificate of Incorporation" usually is the piece or paper from the Secretary 
of State of the state your company is incorporated in as a business. I have had 
to provide this as evidence that the company is a real company when doing 
approval work but it certainly has nothing to do with and EU DofC and CE 
marking.

David Clement
Motorola Inc.
Global Homologation Engineering
20 Cabot Blvd.
Mansfield, MA 02048

P: 508-261-4389
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Subject: Certificate of Incoorporation???



Hello-
Can someone explain to me what a "Certificate of Incorporation" is?  One of
our vendors wants to supply this in lieu of an "EU Declaration of
Conformity" for CE compliance.
Can someone enlighten me?

Thanks again-
-Andy

Andrew Veit
Systems Design Engineer
MTS Systems Corp
Ph: 919.677.2507
Fax: 919.677.2480
1001 Sheldon Drive 
Cary, NC 27513 


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RE: Certificate of Incoorporation???

2001-06-28 Thread Ned Devine 

Hi,

My guess is that it has to do with the Machinery Directive.  See Article 4,
paragraph 2 and point B of Annex II.  This deals with machinery "...that it
is intended to be incorporated into machinery or assembled with other
machinery to constitute machinery covered by this Directive..."


Ned Devine
Program Manager III
Entela, Inc.
3033 Madison Ave. SE
Grand Rapids, MI  49548

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Hello-
Can someone explain to me what a "Certificate of Incorporation" is?  One of
our vendors wants to supply this in lieu of an "EU Declaration of
Conformity" for CE compliance.
Can someone enlighten me?

Thanks again-
-Andy

Andrew Veit
Systems Design Engineer
MTS Systems Corp
Ph: 919.677.2507
Fax: 919.677.2480
1001 Sheldon Drive 
Cary, NC 27513 


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