RE: EMC test software - TILE

[emc-p...@ieee.org]

So what you are saying is that he sends you an instrument driver that he has
no way of testing. If/when you tell him that it works fine, you have only
tested it using the functions needed for your particular application. It may
not work for the next person.
 
When I started working at my present employer, they had been using Tile for a
few years. As I understand it, the profiles they were using had been setup by
a representative of Quantum Change. They were very happy with it. However,
within short order, I discovered problems with every instrument driver they
were using. The driver for the spectrum analyzer had a problem that caused
measurement errors of as much as 8dB.  Yes, Mike did fix (most) of the
problems, but I wonder how many other "happy" users have no idea they have
problems.
 
One problem I discovered, in the Immunity section, was that the "Max sig-gen
level" did not always work. If a certain sequence of events occured, it would
set the signal generator level way above the max level set by the user, and
way above the 0dBm limit of most amplifiers. Luckily, it has not destroyed any
equipment -- yet.
 
And while Tile is very flexible -- I don't dispute that -- the user interface
is lacking. While the flowchart looks a little like Labview, that is where the
similarity ends. However, that is usually the part of the package that you
will see emphasized in literature.
 
Yes, I am sure there are a lot of labs using it succesfully. What I am saying
is that there is a lot of room for improvement.
 
I always approach software as a pessimist. Instead of assuming it is working
correctly and trying to prove it, I assume it is NOT working correctly, and
try to prove that. I've discovered that I find more problems that way. :-)
 
Bob Richards, NCT.


"Garnier, David S (GE Healthcare)"  wrote:

Hello,
 
..and if by chance you happen to come up with an instrument
(GPIB based) that TILE 
does not have a driver for, all you need to do is send the GPIB command list
to Mike and he'll 
make it for you, usually in a couple of days.
 
 
Same experiance here.
 
Regards,
 
Dave Garnier
 


David Garnier 
e GE Health Care 
___ 

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Senior Technician 
Functional & CT Engineering 
3000 N. Grandview Ave - M/S W-1250 
Waukesha, Wi. 53188 
Tel: 262.312.7246 
Cel:  414.899.7580 



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Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 5:07 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: EMC test software - TILE


Another opinion:
As with anything, there is a tradeoff between complexity and flexibility and
this is especially true with EMC software.  You won't find a more flexible EMC
software package than TILE.and really it is pretty straight
forward to use.  It is based on a GUI interface much like LABVIEW.  If you
need to do customized EMC test automation, and eventually you will (each
industry has it's own quirks), you will not find a better overall package. 
Mike Hart's support of TILE is second to none in the industry.  He has more
instrument drivers available than any other package..and if by
chance you happen to come up with an instrument (GPIB based) that TILE does
not have a driver for, all you need to do is send the GPIB command list to
Mike and he'll make it for you, usually in a couple of days.  He'll even add
custom features and capabilities to TILE for you.  He's done these for me on
numerous occasions, all at no extra cost.  No politics, committee approvals or
marketing reviews.  You'll be hard pressed to find another EMC software vendor
that will do all that.  

I may sound like I have an affiliation with Quantum Change (TILE), but I do
not.  I am simply an end user of the product and have experienced the package
and unparalleled support first hand.  

MOOO

Gary Stuyvenberg
Thompson Consulting


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RE: EMC test software - TILE

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Good People,

I specifically did not want to get into "code wars", but since other people
have intro'd the 'T' vs 'U' "argument", I will append to what has been said.

CAVEAT: I am NOT an EMC expert, and would not even qualify as a journeyman
EMC tech.

I have observed some configuration management problems with TILE that were
(in my opinion) design-related.

I have experienced some support problems with UL stuff.

IMO, both systems attempt too much.

If one is able and has the time (hah?!?!), I would encourage EMC test labs
to base their automation systems on Linux/BSD/Unix boxen - reliable, simple,
and timeless. Write small modular test drivers that are specific to your
needs, abstract instrument drivers, and use C only if you have multiple
years of serious experience (I like to write hardware drivers in C, and all
else in Python).

luck,
Brian



From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Bob Richards
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 12:07 PM
To: IEEE EMC & SAFETY PSTC
Subject: RE: EMC test software - TILE

I have used both Tile and the UL software. While the Tile package has
improved over the years, it is still very user-unfriendly and quirky, IMHO.

I worked at UL for 6 years and used the UL software extensively for
emissions testing. It, too, has its quirks, but it is a very capable
package. As I understand it, the UL software started out as the HP package
with extensive modifications and enhancements.

The learning curve for either package is steep. If I had to choose between
the two, I would go with the UL package.

As for immunity, I wrote a lot of software for both conducted and radiated
immunity. If you need a good conducted immunity package, check out:

http://emc.toprudder.com/software/radcon/index.html

It includes some instrument drivers, but it has a facility to allow you to
create your own instrument files if you are familiar with the GPIB commands
for your instrument. If you use the National Instruments GPIB interface, you
can use the NISpy program to view the GPIB commands sent by other programs.

Bob Richards, NCT.


Ralph McDiarmid  wrote:
This program may have improved immensely since we tried it in 2001. We
hated it and so went with UL's after trying a few other demos from other
vendors. UL was the closest "look and feel" to the 1980's HP program
which ran on their 300 series computers.

Ralph McDiarmid, AScT
Compliance Engineering Group
Xantrex Technology Inc.



From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ken
Javor
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 8:21 AM
To: Brian O'Connell; 'IEEE EMC & SAFETY PSTC'
Subject: Re: EMC test software

TILE software:

http://www.quantumchange.com/

provides EMC test software for various EMI test equipment, both
emissions
and immunity systems.

> From: "Brian O'Connell"
> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:05:56 -0700
> To: "'IEEE EMC & SAFETY PSTC'"
> Subject: RE: EMC test software
>
> All of the major instrument vendors offer test and reporting software,
so
> your selection tends to be determined by the hardware already sitting
on the
> bench. Note that test automation is "probably mandatory" for GTEM cell
> tests.
>
> My employer bought the emc report generator app from Agilent (I have
no
> major complaints), but the control/automation code is custom in-house
stuff,
> done by a local brilliant programmer (moi).
>
> Google for "emc test software" and become a bit overwhelmed...
>
> luck,
> Brian
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of
>> Gordon,Ian
>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 4:47 AM
>> To: 'IEEE EMC & SAFETY PSTC'
>> Subject: EMC test software
>>
>>
>> All
>> What software packages do people use for radiated + conducted
>> emission and
>> immunity testing?
>>
>> Ian Gordon

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RE: EMC test software - TILE

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Hello,
 
..and if by chance you happen to come up with an instrument
(GPIB based) that TILE 
does not have a driver for, all you need to do is send the GPIB command list
to Mike and he'll 
make it for you, usually in a couple of days.
 
 
Same experiance here.
 
Regards,
 
Dave Garnier
 

David Garnier 
e GE Health Care 
___ 

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Senior Technician 
Functional & CT Engineering 
3000 N. Grandview Ave - M/S W-1250 
Waukesha, Wi. 53188 
Tel: 262.312.7246 
Cel:  414.899.7580 



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Subject: RE: EMC test software - TILE


Another opinion:
As with anything, there is a tradeoff between complexity and flexibility and
this is especially true with EMC software.  You won't find a more flexible EMC
software package than TILE.and really it is pretty straight
forward to use.  It is based on a GUI interface much like LABVIEW.  If you
need to do customized EMC test automation, and eventually you will (each
industry has it's own quirks), you will not find a better overall package. 
Mike Hart's support of TILE is second to none in the industry.  He has more
instrument drivers available than any other package..and if by
chance you happen to come up with an instrument (GPIB based) that TILE does
not have a driver for, all you need to do is send the GPIB command list to
Mike and he'll make it for you, usually in a couple of days.  He'll even add
custom features and capabilities to TILE for you.  He's done these for me on
numerous occasions, all at no extra cost.  No politics, committee approvals or
marketing reviews.  You'll be hard pressed to find another EMC software vendor
that will do all that.  

I may sound like I have an affiliation with Quantum Change (TILE), but I do
not.  I am simply an end user of the product and have experienced the package
and unparalleled support first hand.  

MOOO

Gary Stuyvenberg
Thompson Consulting




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Another opinion:
As with anything, there is a tradeoff between complexity and flexibility and
this is especially true with EMC software.  You won't find a more flexible EMC
software package than TILE.and really it is pretty straight
forward to use.  It is based on a GUI interface much like LABVIEW.  If you
need to do customized EMC test automation, and eventually you will (each
industry has it's own quirks), you will not find a better overall package. 
Mike Hart's support of TILE is second to none in the industry.  He has more
instrument drivers available than any other package..and if by
chance you happen to come up with an instrument (GPIB based) that TILE does
not have a driver for, all you need to do is send the GPIB command list to
Mike and he'll make it for you, usually in a couple of days.  He'll even add
custom features and capabilities to TILE for you.  He's done these for me on
numerous occasions, all at no extra cost.  No politics, committee approvals or
marketing reviews.  You'll be hard pressed to find another EMC software vendor
that will do all that.  

I may sound like I have an affiliation with Quantum Change (TILE), but I do
not.  I am simply an end user of the product and have experienced the package
and unparalleled support first hand.  

MOOO

Gary Stuyvenberg
Thompson Consulting

  

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RE: EMC test software - TILE

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Another opinion:
As with anything, there is a tradeoff between complexity and flexibility and
this is especially true with EMC software.  You won't find a more flexible EMC
software package than TILE.and really it is pretty straight
forward to use.  It is based on a GUI interface much like LABVIEW.  If you
need to do customized EMC test automation, and eventually you will (each
industry has it's own quirks), you will not find a better overall package. 
Mike Hart's support of TILE is second to none in the industry.  He has more
instrument drivers available than any other package..and if by
chance you happen to come up with an instrument (GPIB based) that TILE does
not have a driver for, all you need to do is send the GPIB command list to
Mike and he'll make it for you, usually in a couple of days.  He'll even add
custom features and capabilities to TILE for you.  He's done these for me on
numerous occasions, all at no extra cost.  No politics, committee approvals or
marketing reviews.  You'll be hard pressed to find another EMC software vendor
that will do all that.  

I may sound like I have an affiliation with Quantum Change (TILE), but I do
not.  I am simply an end user of the product and have experienced the package
and unparalleled support first hand.  

MOOO

Gary Stuyvenberg
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RE: EMC test software - TILE

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I have used both Tile and the UL software. While the Tile package has improved
over the years, it is still very user-unfriendly and quirky, IMHO.
 
I worked at UL for 6 years and used the UL software extensively for emissions
testing. It, too, has its quirks, but it is a very capable package. As I
understand it, the UL software started out as the HP package with extensive
modifications and enhancements.
 
The learning curve for either package is steep. If I had to choose between the
two, I would go with the UL package.
 
As for immunity, I wrote a lot of software for both conducted and radiated
immunity. If you need a good conducted immunity package, check out:
 
 <http://emc.toprudder.com/software/radcon/index.html>
http://emc.toprudder.com/software/radcon/index.html
 
It includes some instrument drivers, but it has a facility to allow you to
create your own instrument files if you are familiar with the GPIB commands
for your instrument. If you use the National Instruments GPIB interface, you
can use the NISpy program to view the GPIB commands sent by other programs. 
 
Bob Richards, NCT.


Ralph McDiarmid  wrote:

This program may have improved immensely since we tried it in 2001. We
hated it and so went with UL's after trying a few other demos from other
vendors. UL was the closest "look and feel" to the 1980's HP program
which ran on their 300 series computers.

Ralph McDiarmid, AScT 
Compliance Engineering Group 
Xantrex Technology Inc.



From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ken
Javor
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 8:21 AM
To: Brian O'Connell; 'IEEE EMC & SAFETY PSTC'
Subject: Re: EMC test software

TILE software:

http://www.quantumchange.com/

provides EMC test software for various EMI test equipment, both
emissions
and immunity systems.

> From: "Brian O'Connell" 
> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:05:56 -0700
> To: "'IEEE EMC & SAFETY PSTC'" 
> Subject: RE: EMC test software
> 
> All of the major instrument vendors offer test and reporting software,
so
> your selection tends to be determined by the hardware already sitting
on the
> bench. Note that test automation is "probably mandatory" for GTEM cell
> tests.
> 
> My employer bought the emc report generator app from Agilent (I have
no
> major complaints), but the control/automation code is custom in-house
stuff,
> done by a local brilliant programmer (moi).
> 
> Google for "emc test software" and become a bit overwhelmed...
> 
> luck,
> Brian
> 
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>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 4:47 AM
>> To: 'IEEE EMC & SAFETY PSTC'
>> Subject: EMC test software
>> 
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>> All
>> What software packages do people use for radiated + conducted
>> emission and
>> immunity testing?
>> 
>> Ian Gordon
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RE: EMC test software - TILE

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This program may have improved immensely since we tried it in 2001.  We
hated it and so went with UL's after trying a few other demos from other
vendors.  UL was the closest "look and feel" to the 1980's HP program
which ran on their 300 series computers.

Ralph McDiarmid, AScT 
Compliance Engineering Group 
Xantrex Technology Inc.



From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ken
Javor
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 8:21 AM
To: Brian O'Connell; 'IEEE EMC & SAFETY PSTC'
Subject: Re: EMC test software

TILE software:

http://www.quantumchange.com/

provides EMC test software for various EMI test equipment, both
emissions
and immunity systems.

> From: "Brian O'Connell" 
> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:05:56 -0700
> To: "'IEEE EMC & SAFETY PSTC'" 
> Subject: RE: EMC test software
> 
> All of the major instrument vendors offer test and reporting software,
so
> your selection tends to be determined by the hardware already sitting
on the
> bench. Note that test automation is "probably mandatory" for GTEM cell
> tests.
> 
> My employer bought the emc report generator app from Agilent (I have
no
> major complaints), but the control/automation code is custom in-house
stuff,
> done by a local brilliant programmer (moi).
> 
> Google for "emc test software" and become a bit overwhelmed...
> 
> luck,
> Brian
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of
>> Gordon,Ian
>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 4:47 AM
>> To: 'IEEE EMC & SAFETY PSTC'
>> Subject: EMC test software
>> 
>> 
>> All
>> What software packages do people use for radiated + conducted
>> emission and
>> immunity testing?
>> 
>> Ian Gordon
> 
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