RE: RE: Notified Body Number
Cynthia,
I am not familiar with Annex V of the Directive, however I do know that use
of the NB number is not limited to that route of compliance.
Annex IV requires a Notified Body assessment of the TCF and in so doing, the
mfg. must identify, by use of the NB number, which NB was used.
Also, it is my understanding that the NB number should be placed between the
CE mark and the alert symbol, if required, otherwise just to the right of
the CE mark(I have no basis for this position but it seems to be the
accepted norm).
~
Sam Wismer
RF Approvals Engineer
LXE, Inc.
(770) 447-4224 Ext. 3654
Visit Our Website at:
http://www.lxe.com
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Subject:RE: Notified Body Number
Author: Cynthia Pleach
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Date: 7/10/00 1:49 PM
It was my understanding that only manufacturing
using Annex V of the RTTE would use the CE and notified
body number. All others would simply use the CE.
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Subject: RE: Notified Body Number
I just discovered the Commission's statement on marking in the Sept. 1999
publication "Guide to the implementation of directives based upon the New
Approach and the Global Approach". Section 7.3 says, "A notified body may be
involved in the design phase, the production phase, or both, depending on
the conformity assessment procedures applied. The CE marking shall only be
followed by the identification number of the notified body if it is involved
in the production phase. Thus the identification number of a notified body
involved in conformity assessment according to Module B does not follow the
CE marking."
Therefore, it appears that a product subject to Annex III or IV of the RTTE
must have a NB marking but, according to the above, it cannot follow the CE
marking since the NB is not involved in the production phase.
Richard Woods
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Subject: Re: Notified Body Number
Richard,
Directive 93/68/EC (Article 5), which linked the CE marking to the
EMC
directive, states that the minimum height of the CE marking must be
5 mm. The
Maritime Directive requires a CE marking which also includes the NB
number. From
the example drawing in the directive it shows that the height of the
NB number
is identical to the height of the CE marking. The distance of the NB
number to
the CE marking is based on the distance between the characters C and
E.
The marking for the RTTE Directive would then look like: CE XXX,
where XXX is
the NB number.
Best regards,
NMi Certin B.V.
Pieter Robben
Department of EMC, Telecommunications and Electrical Safety
Web: www.nmicertin.com / www.nmicertin.nl
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Subject: Notified Body Number
Neither the LV nor the RTTE Directive indicates the minimal size for
the
Notified Body number nor do they indicate the placement of the
number
relative to the CE marking. Do any of the other directives or any
other
documents from the Commission indicate the proper way to size and
place the
Notified Body number?
Richard Woods
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RE: Notified Body Number
I just discovered the Commission's statement on marking in the Sept. 1999
publication "Guide to the implementation of directives based upon the New
Approach and the Global Approach". Section 7.3 says, "A notified body may be
involved in the design phase, the production phase, or both, depending on
the conformity assessment procedures applied. The CE marking shall only be
followed by the identification number of the notified body if it is involved
in the production phase. Thus the identification number of a notified body
involved in conformity assessment according to Module B does not follow the
CE marking."
Therefore, it appears that a product subject to Annex III or IV of the RTTE
must have a NB marking but, according to the above, it cannot follow the CE
marking since the NB is not involved in the production phase.
Richard Woods
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Subject: Re: Notified Body Number
Richard,
Directive 93/68/EC (Article 5), which linked the CE marking to the
EMC
directive, states that the minimum height of the CE marking must be
5 mm. The
Maritime Directive requires a CE marking which also includes the NB
number. From
the example drawing in the directive it shows that the height of the
NB number
is identical to the height of the CE marking. The distance of the NB
number to
the CE marking is based on the distance between the characters C and
E.
The marking for the RTTE Directive would then look like: CE XXX,
where XXX is
the NB number.
Best regards,
NMi Certin B.V.
Pieter Robben
Department of EMC, Telecommunications and Electrical Safety
Web: www.nmicertin.com / www.nmicertin.nl
wo...@sensormatic.com on 10/07/2000 14:54:46
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Subject: Notified Body Number
Neither the LV nor the RTTE Directive indicates the minimal size for
the
Notified Body number nor do they indicate the placement of the
number
relative to the CE marking. Do any of the other directives or any
other
documents from the Commission indicate the proper way to size and
place the
Notified Body number?
Richard Woods
RE: Notified Body Number
Richard, If you look on the Commission R&TTE pages there is a section in the FAQs which relates to marking. This states with respect to radio equipment that uses non-harmonised frequency bands : "With regard to the putting into service of these types of equipment the "alert sign" shall be added to the CE marking: Depending on the conformity assessment procedure followed by the manufacturer the identification numbers of the relevant Notified Bodies shall be included in the CE marking" By saying that the NB number must be included in the CE marking implies that the rules governing its size, given in Annex VII of the Directive, apply to the complete marking. (Mrs) Andrea Bishop Compliance Manager BABT Product Service Ltd Segensworth Road Fareham, Hants PO15 5RH, UK Tel: +44 1329 443486 -Original Message- From: wo...@sensormatic.com [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com] Sent: 10 July 2000 13:55 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; t...@world.std.com Subject: Notified Body Number Neither the LV nor the RTTE Directive indicates the minimal size for the Notified Body number nor do they indicate the placement of the number relative to the CE marking. Do any of the other directives or any other documents from the Commission indicate the proper way to size and place the Notified Body number? Richard Woods --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: Notified Body Number
Richard, Directive 93/68/EC (Article 5), which linked the CE marking to the EMC directive, states that the minimum height of the CE marking must be 5 mm. The Maritime Directive requires a CE marking which also includes the NB number. From the example drawing in the directive it shows that the height of the NB number is identical to the height of the CE marking. The distance of the NB number to the CE marking is based on the distance between the characters C and E. The marking for the RTTE Directive would then look like: CE XXX, where XXX is the NB number. Best regards, NMi Certin B.V. Pieter Robben Department of EMC, Telecommunications and Electrical Safety Web: www.nmicertin.com / www.nmicertin.nl wo...@sensormatic.com on 10/07/2000 14:54:46 Please respond to wo...@sensormatic.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org, t...@world.std.com cc:(bcc: Pieter Robben/Nmi) Subject: Notified Body Number Neither the LV nor the RTTE Directive indicates the minimal size for the Notified Body number nor do they indicate the placement of the number relative to the CE marking. Do any of the other directives or any other documents from the Commission indicate the proper way to size and place the Notified Body number? Richard Woods
