RE: RE: Product Safety Certification School
Agreed, but there still needs to be a course that teaches engineers the idea of Standard Compliance before they graduate. Otherwise, newbie engineers look at you with a blank stare when you tell them that normally they need 8 mm of creepage for primary to secondary, but since their design has 251 Volts they now need 12 mm of creepage, or that 1 layer of tape is not acceptable in a medical transformer. I don't want to make them experts in Product Safety, after all that is how I make my living! However, it would be nice for them (pedigreed engineers) to understand where we (product safety ) come up with these requirements that we want them to meet. Daniel W. Mitchell Product Safety Engineer Condor DC Power Supplies, Inc. "WELLMANRON (A-PaloAltoex1)" on 03/07/2000 09:21:04 AM To: "'duncan.ho...@snellwilcox.com'", dirk_at...@yahoo.com, emc-p...@ieee.org cc:(bcc: Dan Mitchell/CondorDC) Subject: RE: RE: Product Safety Certification School Howdy all, I agree, there needs to be a curriculum available to teach product safety basics at the University level. However, to truly look at product safety the curriculum needs to focus on the application of engineering fundamentals to the design and analysis of provably safe products, not a standards compliance approach. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-345-8630 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 51L-SQ |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ | "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age | | eighteen." - Albert Einstein | +=+ -Original Message- From: duncan.ho...@snellwilcox.com [mailto:duncan.ho...@snellwilcox.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 1:32 AM To: dirk_at...@yahoo.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re:RE: Product Safety Certification School Dan,Rich Dick,Dirk and group. I would also aggree. years ago I served an apprenticeship with a major computer manufacturer and for my final year and a half chose to work in product safety. At the end of the apprenticeship I decided that I wanted to go to university and get a degree and I set out to find a Degree course with a product safety content. In the end I couldn't find one and ended up doing an electrical and electronics degree. The degree enhanced my electrical theory but there was no product safety content except for the presentation on product liability that I gave as part of an engineering managment module. I believe that it is fundamental that if designers are to design to meet standards they at least need to be taught the fundamentals of why the standards exist and their basic requirements. Perhaps this is somthing that the IEE or the IEEE should take up with the academic institutions, as I know that they have a lot of involvement in setting course sylabusses and accrediting degrees. Regards, Duncan Reply Separator Subject:RE: Product Safety Certification School Author: Dirk Atama List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 3/6/00 6:00 PM Dan/Rich/Dick- My two pence: I agree, too, that a module of some basic power electronics courses could be a product safety lesson. We have hired new college graduates that had little inkling of what was of concern for product safety; often times they have a modicum of intuitive feel for products unsafe, but it takes a while to breed in the safety sense that we so often take for granted. I nominate Surrey-on-Trent Mines Engineer Technical College to spawn the first course. I'll call the headmaster and put a bug in his bum for the idea. Dr. Dirk ><><><><><><><><><><><><> > > > -- We all spend time online; make some extra $$ free at http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=EDL-665 -- > > --- Dick Grobner wrote: > > > My 2 cents: I agree, it would make my life easier in > compliance engineering > if the EE's & ME's would have a little basic > understanding of the concepts > of product safety. It seems that they have a general > knowledge of EMI/RFI > but the product safety side is still missing. > > -Original Message- > From: Rich Nute [mailto:ri...@sdd.hp.com] > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 5:01 PM > To: dan_mitch...@condordc.com > Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > Subject: Re: Product Safety Certification School > > > > > > Hi Dan: > > > >
RE: RE: Product Safety Certification School
Howdy all, I agree, there needs to be a curriculum available to teach product safety basics at the University level. However, to truly look at product safety the curriculum needs to focus on the application of engineering fundamentals to the design and analysis of provably safe products, not a standards compliance approach. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-345-8630 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 51L-SQ |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ | "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age | | eighteen." - Albert Einstein | +=+ -Original Message- From: duncan.ho...@snellwilcox.com [mailto:duncan.ho...@snellwilcox.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 1:32 AM To: dirk_at...@yahoo.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re:RE: Product Safety Certification School Dan,Rich Dick,Dirk and group. I would also aggree. years ago I served an apprenticeship with a major computer manufacturer and for my final year and a half chose to work in product safety. At the end of the apprenticeship I decided that I wanted to go to university and get a degree and I set out to find a Degree course with a product safety content. In the end I couldn't find one and ended up doing an electrical and electronics degree. The degree enhanced my electrical theory but there was no product safety content except for the presentation on product liability that I gave as part of an engineering managment module. I believe that it is fundamental that if designers are to design to meet standards they at least need to be taught the fundamentals of why the standards exist and their basic requirements. Perhaps this is somthing that the IEE or the IEEE should take up with the academic institutions, as I know that they have a lot of involvement in setting course sylabusses and accrediting degrees. Regards, Duncan Reply Separator Subject:RE: Product Safety Certification School Author: Dirk Atama List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 3/6/00 6:00 PM Dan/Rich/Dick- My two pence: I agree, too, that a module of some basic power electronics courses could be a product safety lesson. We have hired new college graduates that had little inkling of what was of concern for product safety; often times they have a modicum of intuitive feel for products unsafe, but it takes a while to breed in the safety sense that we so often take for granted. I nominate Surrey-on-Trent Mines Engineer Technical College to spawn the first course. I'll call the headmaster and put a bug in his bum for the idea. Dr. Dirk ><><><><><><><><><><><><> > > > -- We all spend time online; make some extra $$ free at http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=EDL-665 -- > > --- Dick Grobner wrote: > > > My 2 cents: I agree, it would make my life easier in > compliance engineering > if the EE's & ME's would have a little basic > understanding of the concepts > of product safety. It seems that they have a general > knowledge of EMI/RFI > but the product safety side is still missing. > > -Original Message- > From: Rich Nute [mailto:ri...@sdd.hp.com] > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 5:01 PM > To: dan_mitch...@condordc.com > Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > Subject: Re: Product Safety Certification School > > > > > > Hi Dan: > > > > Last year, sometime, reference was made about > the possible creation of a > > University program to teach Product Safety. I > was wondering if anybody > has > > heard anything further about this program? > > I probably was the one who mentioned that > engineering > schools should include a 1-term course in product > safety. > > Its on my wish-list. I'd like to find even one > engineering school that would consider such a > course, > and then I'd volunteer to help create the course. > > But, I believe that no engineering school currently > has such a course. > > > Best regards, > Rich > > > > > > --- > This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product > Safety > Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: > unsubscribe emc-pstc > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Jim Bacher: > jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com > Michael Garretson: > pstc_ad...@garretson.org > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org > > > ---
