Re: TCF for EMC directive
Thanks Barbara for the detailed text. It would seem Article 10.5 of the EMC Directive is no longer relevant when one is applying the RTTE Directive. That is implied in the wording of Article 20 of the RTTE Directive. Even though Article 10.5 remains in the text of the EMC Directive, I anticipate the clause will be removed for the next revision. Best Regards, -- Daniel Kwok, P.Eng. Principal EMC Engineer Intetron Consulting, Inc. Vancouver, Canada Phone (604) 432-9874 Email dk...@intetron.com Web http://www.intetron.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: TCF for EMC directive
Dan, There are several US CABs designated by NIST and confirmed by the EU. The RTTE CABs hold the same status as an EU Notified Body under the RTTE Directive. Best Regards, Barbara ___ Barbara L. Judge Vice President Compliance Certification Services Designated TCB and CAB 561F Monterey Road Morgan Hill, CA 95037 408-463-0885 ext.104 Fax: 408-463-0888 e-mail: bju...@ccsemc.com http://www.ccsemc.com -Original Message- From: Dan Kwok [mailto:dk...@intetron.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 7:09 PM To: Barbara Judge Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: TCF for EMC directive Barbara Judge wrote: Notified Bodies have no part in assessing TCFs under Article 10.2 of the EMC Directive. Notified Bodies dealt with radio transmitting devices under Article 10.5 but the overwhelming majority of those devices now fall under the RTTE Directive. What happens if a type-examination certificate is required under Article 10.5 of the EMC Directive? Can a U.S. CAB also issue this certificate or would one need to obtain it from a Notified Body located in the EU? Just curious. Dan Kwok --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: TCF for EMC directive
Dan, Please note excerpts from RTTE Directive: Article 20 Repeal 1. Directive 98/13/EC is hereby repealed as from 8 April 2000. 2. This Directive is not a specific directive within the meaning of Article 2(2) of Directive 89/336/EEC. The provisions of Directive 89/336/EEC shall not apply to apparatus falling within the scope of this Directive, with the exception of the protection requirements in Article 4 and Annex III and the conformity assessment procedure in Article 10(1) and (2) of, and Annex I to, Directive 89/336/EEC, as from 8 April 2000. 3. The provisions of Directive 73/23/EEC shall not apply to apparatus falling within the scope of this Directive, with the exceptions of the objectives with respect to safety requirements in Article 2 and Annex I and the conformity assessment procedure in Annex III, Section B, and Annex IV to Directive 73/23/EEC, as from 8 April 2000. the above pulls telecom equipment out from coverage by the EMC Directive and the following requires compliance, under the RTTE Directive, with both the EMC LV Directives. Article 3 Essential requirements 1. The following essential requirements are applicable to all apparatus: (a) the protection of the health and the safety of the user and any other person, including the objectives with respect to safety requirements contained in Directive 73/23/EEC, but with no voltage limit applying; (b) the protection requirements with respect to electromagnetic compatibility contained in Directive 89/336/EEC. 2. In addition, radio equipment shall be so constructed that it effectively uses the spectrum allocated to terrestrial/space radio communication and orbital resources so as to avoid harmful interference. 3. In accordance with the procedure laid down in Article 15, the Commission may decide that apparatus within certain equipment classes or apparatus of particular types shall be so constructed that: (a) it interworks via networks with other apparatus and that it can be connected to interfaces of the appropriate type throughout the Community; and/or that (b) it does not harm the network or its functioning nor misuse network resources, thereby causing an unacceptable degradation of service; and/or that (c) it incorporates safeguards to ensure that the personal data and privacy of the user and of the subscriber are protected; and/or that (d) it supports certain features ensuring avoidance of fraud; and/or that (e) it supports certain features ensuring access to emergency services; and/or that (f) it supports certain features in order to facilitate its use by users with a disability. I hope that you find this helpful. Best Regards, Barbara ___ Barbara L. Judge Vice President Compliance Certification Services Designated TCB and CAB 561F Monterey Road Morgan Hill, CA 95037 408-463-0885 ext.104 Fax: 408-463-0888 e-mail: bju...@ccsemc.com http://www.ccsemc.com -Original Message- From: Dan Kwok [mailto:dk...@intetron.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 11:03 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: TCF for EMC directive John Woodgate wrote: 10.5 is deleted in 'favour' of the RTTE Directive, isn't it? Article 10.5 is still in the current version of the EMC Directive. Dan Kwok -- Daniel Kwok, P.Eng. Principal EMC Engineer Intetron Consulting, Inc. Vancouver, Canada Phone (604) 432-9874 Email dk...@intetron.com Web http://www.intetron.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web
Re: TCF for EMC directive
John Woodgate wrote: 10.5 is deleted in 'favour' of the RTTE Directive, isn't it? Article 10.5 is still in the current version of the EMC Directive. Dan Kwok -- Daniel Kwok, P.Eng. Principal EMC Engineer Intetron Consulting, Inc. Vancouver, Canada Phone (604) 432-9874 Email dk...@intetron.com Web http://www.intetron.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: TCF for EMC directive
Hi Folks This topic has rather drifted and I cannot remember what the original point was. But, as a reminder, the following document on the UK Department of Trade and Industry might be of some use: http://www.dti.gov.uk/strd/emcps00.pdf This is the DTI guidance note on compliance with the EMC Directive. Page 7 gives basic guidance about TCF's and ANNEX B gives guidance on the content thereof - although you might find that Competent Bodies might require more (e.g. your ISO 9000 accreditations for the design and manufacturing operations to ensure that there is some liklihood that shipped products resemble the ones described in the file!). John Allen --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Re: TCF for EMC directive
I read in !emc-pstc that Dan Kwok dk...@intetron.com wrote (in 3b79d9c1.159c7...@intetron.com) about 'TCF for EMC directive', on Tue, 14 Aug 2001: What happens if a type-examination certificate is required under Article 10.5 of the EMC Directive? Can a U.S. CAB also issue this certificate or would one need to obtain it from a Notified Body located in the EU? 10.5 is deleted in 'favour' of the RTTE Directive, isn't it? -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Eat mink and be dreary! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Re: TCF for EMC directive
Barbara Judge wrote: Notified Bodies have no part in assessing TCFs under Article 10.2 of the EMC Directive. Notified Bodies dealt with radio transmitting devices under Article 10.5 but the overwhelming majority of those devices now fall under the RTTE Directive. What happens if a type-examination certificate is required under Article 10.5 of the EMC Directive? Can a U.S. CAB also issue this certificate or would one need to obtain it from a Notified Body located in the EU? Just curious. Dan Kwok --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: TCF for EMC directive
John, I would agree that the ability to have face to face meetings with the Competent Body is of key importance. There are a number of bodies designated in the United States at this time, called Conformity Assessment Bodies, which hold equal status in the EU to any Competent Body in the EU. Bottom line: You no longer have to go to the EU to find a designated body to review and approve your TCFs. Notified Bodies have no part in assessing TCFs under Article 10.2 of the EMC Directive. Notified Bodies dealt with radio transmitting devices under Article 10.5 but the overwhelming majority of those devices now fall under the RTTE Directive. Best Regards, Barbara ___ Barbara L. Judge Vice President Compliance Certification Services Designated TCB and CAB 561F Monterey Road Morgan Hill, CA 95037 408-463-0885 ext.104 Fax: 408-463-0888 e-mail: bju...@ccsemc.com http://www.ccsemc.com -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 1:04 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: TCF for EMC directive I read in !emc-pstc that Stuart Lopata stu...@timcoengr.com wrote (in 002e01c124e5$aadceac0$1301a8c0@newberry) about 'TCF for EMC directive', on Tue, 14 Aug 2001: Does anyone know of any good information on how to make a technical construction file (TCF) for the EMC directive? My company is working on obtaining its CAB certification neccessary to provide our customers with a CE mark. If at all possible, DON'T use the TCF route. It can be practicable if you are in Europe and can have face-to-face meetings with your Notified Body. You can almost certainly use the standards route now, which has far fewer uncertainties. What sort of product is involved? -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co..uk Eat mink and be dreary! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Re: TCF for EMC directive
I read in !emc-pstc that Stuart Lopata stu...@timcoengr.com wrote (in 002e01c124e5$aadceac0$1301a8c0@newberry) about 'TCF for EMC directive', on Tue, 14 Aug 2001: Does anyone know of any good information on how to make a technical construction file (TCF) for the EMC directive? My company is working on obtaining its CAB certification neccessary to provide our customers with a CE mark. If at all possible, DON'T use the TCF route. It can be practicable if you are in Europe and can have face-to-face meetings with your Notified Body. You can almost certainly use the standards route now, which has far fewer uncertainties. What sort of product is involved? -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co..uk Eat mink and be dreary! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: TCF for EMC directive
Stuart, The Directive itself stipulates what must be contained in the TCF and the Guidance notes go into greater detail. Attached please find website for Guidance Notes. http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/electr_equipment/emc/guides/english.pdf http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/electr_equipment/emc/guides/english.pd f Good Luck. Best Regards, Barbara ___ Barbara L. Judge Vice President Compliance Certification Services Designated TCB and CAB 561F Monterey Road Morgan Hill, CA 95037 408-463-0885 ext.104 Fax: 408-463-0888 e-mail: bju...@ccsemc.com http://www.ccsemc.com http://www.ccsemc.com/ -Original Message- From: Stuart Lopata [mailto:stu...@timcoengr.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 10:22 AM To: emc Subject: TCF for EMC directive Does anyone know of any good information on how to make a technical construction file (TCF) for the EMC directive? My company is working on obtaining its CAB certification neccessary to provide our customers with a CE mark. Stuart Lopata Compliance Engineer Timco Engineering
RE: TCF for EMC directive
You can find the information at http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/electr_equipment/emc/index.htm http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/electr_equipment/emc/index.htm Look in the guidelines. -- From: Stuart Lopata [SMTP:stu...@timcoengr.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 1:22 PM To: emc Subject: TCF for EMC directive Does anyone know of any good information on how to make a technical construction file (TCF) for the EMC directive? My company is working on obtaining its CAB certification neccessary to provide our customers with a CE mark. Stuart Lopata Compliance Engineer Timco Engineering --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Re: TCF for EMC Directive
Sam, You have a choice of 3 basic routes to satisfy the EMC Directive. 1. The standards route. You had the product tested to the appropriate harmonised Standards. So you have evidence you pass. You can self declare. 2. You use the Technical Construction File Route. This mandates production and retention of the TCF document. Then you self declare. 3. The EC Type examination route. Getting a Notified Body involved. They will get all the documents out of you, their checks reduce your risk considerably. You get a certificate instead of a self declaration. This route is a bit old. For your own peace of mind the minimum material I would store to back up D of C would be the test reports + BOM and schematics of the product to prove identification at any later challenge. Only route 2. requires production of a formal TCF but actions you took to comply with routes 1 and 3 would create a document trail anyway. My option has been to use route 1 wherever possible and keep supporting evidence with the product file. Jerry Roberton International Compliance Manager NET Europe Ltd. www.net.com Wismer, Sam wrote: Bob et. al, Thanks for your comments. I use the term TCF only because we include all the same materials as would be required if we did submit it to a competent body. Perhaps Technical file is more appropriate. We do not submit it because we do not deviate from the Directive. However some feel that it is a document that, according to the directive, must be created to back up your declaration. My question is, does the directive really require such a document be created? Sam Wismer RF Approvals Engineer LXE, Inc. (770) 447-4224 Ext. 3654 Visit Our Website at: http://www.lxe.com -Original Message- From: Chaplis, Bob [mailto:chapl...@genrad.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 3:14 PM To: 'John Juhasz' Cc: Wismer, Sam Subject: RE: TCF for EMC Directive John, I think what Sams question relates to is a TCF required to show compliance with the EMC Directive, and to that the answer is no, The TCF is but one avenue that a manufacturer can use to show conpliance to the Directive. I wonder if Sam did not mean Techical File: instead of TCF. Is that correct Sam? The TCF must be under control of a Competant Body. Bob Chaplis Genrad. -Original Message- From: John Juhasz [SMTP:jjuh...@fiberoptions.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 12:38 PM To: 'Wismer, Sam'; EMC Forum (E-mail) Subject: RE: TCF for EMC Directive Sam, Regarding TCFs, it really depends on your product/product's configuration management. If you have a product (with a specific model name/munber) that will only be used 'as is' (no variations) then a TCF is required. However, if you have a product which is a base model for which there may be numerous variations, then the TCF is the way to go. John Juhasz Fiber Options Bohemia, NY -Original Message- From: Wismer, Sam [ mailto:wisme...@lxe.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 10:34 AM To: EMC Forum (E-mail) Subject: TCF for EMC Directive All, Thank you for your replies to my VCCI question. The point came through loud and clear that VCCI certification is only voluntary, however maybe mandated by the market. In short, if your customer doesn't care, then why bother. New question: There is some debate whether or not it is mandatory for a manufacturer to create and maintain a TCF to show compliance to the EMC Directive(ITE Equipment only). We currently do create a TCF for every product when we apply the EMC directive. Some here think it is necessary, and some think not, however in any case it happens to be a great place to keep test reports, schematics, drawings and the like so it is not really an issue until we contract a vendor to produce a product for us. Usually we require them to obtain all the necessary approvals so that we don't have to. With this scenario, and the difference of opinion in the necessity for a TCF, should we require our vendor to create a TCF? If they choose not to, are we liable since we will private label it and place it on the market? Should we create the TCF with their reports? Thanks in advance Sam Wismer RF Approvals Engineer LXE, Inc. (770) 447-4224 Ext. 3654 Visit Our Website at: http://www.lxe.com - This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list adminstrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com, or Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
