Curtis: For the testing of Military systems, I always look for the worst possible, yet normal mode of operation. Sometimes a power supply will be noisier at little load than at high load, so we usually test it at 10%, 50% and 100% loading. Electromechanical devices are operated as close to normal as possible, so that means that actuators driving flight control surfaces are loaded (with weights and/or elastomeric springs) to simulate flight loads. If I had a motor which drove a pump or blower or whatever, I would operate it at its normal speed and torque loading. If the loading was unpredictable, I would do a quick analysis of emissions to determine the worst-case operating point, and then do the rest of my emission testing in that condition. Predicting the worst-case operating condition for susceptibility (immunity) testing is a lot more difficult. If I didn't have a good engineering analysis of the EUT to help me, I would probably use the same operating condition that I used for the emission tests. Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com <blocked::mailto:ed.pr...@cubic.com> WB6WSN NARTE Certified EMC Engineer & Technician Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Applications San Diego, CA USA 858-505-2780 (Voice) 858-505-1583 (FAX) Military & Avionics EMC Is Our Specialty
________________________________ From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Bender, Curtis Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:56 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: unloaded motors - EMC testing Greetings IEEE EMC-PSTC forum members and experts. I am looking to answer some questions concerning the EMC testing of portable commercial and industrial equipment; specifically the testing of motors at “no load”. I have my own “opinions” and experience concerning these questions but I would like to get some factual data (standard reference) and documented EMC standard design philosophy if at all possible. I was hoping the IEC guide 107 would have noted this design philosophy but unless I missed it I did not see it. 1. Can someone explain how and why “no load” frequently occurs in EMC test standards? See CISPR 14-1 section 7.3 for example. 2. Why is “no load” used and why isn’t a loaded or partially loaded motor used? (other than “testing for all possible working conditions is not practical for technical and economic reasons”). Is this representative of “real world” conditions? If not how is it correlated to the “real world?” 3. Typically do the limits included in EMC standards correspond (or are reduced) to the actual application? How is this correlated to “real world” applications? Or is this covered in statements such as: “the limits given in this standard take into account uncertainties” (from CISPR 12)? As always, I look forward to your comments. Regards, Curt ______________________________________________________ Curtis Bender | T: 616.994.4221| F: 616.994.4127 Global Technical Approvals/Lead Project Engineer Tennant Company | Creating a cleaner, safer world for 135 years. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc