Re: Re[2]: Proposed changes to UL 1950 3rd Edition

[Victor L. Boersma]

My comments are the rock in the big pond.  YES.

However, just back from INTER COMM 97.  

Anybody who thinks that in three years from now, when PCS is taking hold, when
CATV companies offer dial tone and telcos are offering TV, we will be operating
the old T1 pipe infrastructure, is ready for a rude awakening.

We are in for a VERY competitive ICT (Information and Communications
Technologies)
business period, that will involve a restructuring of our infrastructures.  You
won't even be
able to sell the equipment as second hand equipment to developing countries.
They'll be
leapfrogging those technologies.

IEC-950 and its derivatives (EN 60 950, UL 1950, CSA 950) will probably have to
change as
well.  They were never intended for the technologies we are inventing as we go.

Aren't I lucky that I am part of an interesting world in my dotage.

Ciao,


Vic


Buy stock in equipment and software providers.  Sell stock in competing service
providers
you don't believe will make it.  VB

Re: Re[2]: Proposed changes to UL 1950 3rd Edition

[Duane J Marcroft]

Vic,

I have a feeling your statements, in this case, are intended to be a large
rock thrown into a very still pond so you can see what kind of waves it
creates.  :-)

Even so I'll take the bait and add to the fray.

I concur with Tania.

I think your statement about obsolecents are bentrovato in the commercial
market place.  But, they are true if you're speaking of the consumer
market.  Where planned obsolecents of TV's, cars, audio systems, pc's,
modems...etc is 3 years or less. 

Commercial equipment for telecom, data communications, medical, mainframe
computers, construction, transportation, TV and radio stations...etc are
simply not replaced very often.  They generally have a planned life of at
least 10 years.  Some are not replaced for 15 or 20 years.  The expense is
much too high to justify replacement sooner.  Corporate officers have to
produce profits or answer to the stock holders.  Unless there is some way
to demonstrate a dramatic increase in profits or lowering costs the
replacement of large ticket items just doesn't happen that often.  This is
a corporate given. 

Amities,

Duane

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On Sat, 1 Mar 1997 tania.gr...@octel.com wrote:

>  My dear Signore,
>  
>  There is a lot of equipment out there that is expected to last 10, 15, 
>  or more years.  Thus, it becomes a catastrophe to have to redesign 
>  something that is not yet past its adolescence.  Any equipment that 
>  "peddles" for 100K is not designed to become obsolete after 3 years.
>  So this issue is one of concern to us.
>  
>   Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
>   tania.gr...@octel.com
>  
> __ Reply Separator 
> _
> Subject: Re: Proposed changes to UL 1950 3rd Edition
> Author:  t...@world.std.com at P_Internet_Mail
> Date:3/1/97 4:36 PM
> 
> 
> Poor idea.  We no longer design ICT equipment for anyone geographic location 
> on
> the 
> globe.  The equipment has to be "GLOBALLY" IEC-950 compliant.   Most of the
> equipment you mention does not have a product life that exceeds three years.  
> By
> that time, newer technology equipment takes over.  Hence, there should not be
> any problem having compliant equipment
> available and in place by the time UL1950/CSA950 kick in and you should be 
> able
> to peddle
> such equipment world-wide.
> 
> Ciao,
> 
> 
> Vic  Boersma
> 
> 

Re[2]: Proposed changes to UL 1950 3rd Edition

[tania . grant]

 My dear Signore,
 
 There is a lot of equipment out there that is expected to last 10, 15, 
 or more years.  Thus, it becomes a catastrophe to have to redesign 
 something that is not yet past its adolescence.  Any equipment that 
 "peddles" for 100K is not designed to become obsolete after 3 years.
 So this issue is one of concern to us.
 
  Tania Grant, Octel Communications Corporation
  tania.gr...@octel.com
 
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Subject: Re: Proposed changes to UL 1950 3rd Edition
Author:  t...@world.std.com at P_Internet_Mail
List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org
Date:3/1/97 4:36 PM


Poor idea.  We no longer design ICT equipment for anyone geographic location on
the 
globe.  The equipment has to be "GLOBALLY" IEC-950 compliant.   Most of the
equipment you mention does not have a product life that exceeds three years.  By
that time, newer technology equipment takes over.  Hence, there should not be
any problem having compliant equipment
available and in place by the time UL1950/CSA950 kick in and you should be able
to peddle
such equipment world-wide.

Ciao,


Vic  Boersma