RE: Reverberating chambers and screen rooms

1999-05-02 Thread Brumbaugh, David
You'll get better results of the dimensions of the chamber are not multiples of 
each other, better still if their relative dimensions are prime numbers.
DB

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> Mat:
> 
> Every shielded enclosure starts out as a reverberant chamber. You then pay 
> big bucks to coat those reflective surfaces with foam or ferrite treatments 
> that reduce the reflections.
> 
> But you want to shift the three-dimensional peaks and nulls around the volume 
> of the chamber. To do this, you have to vary the reflective pattern within 
> the room. The easiest way is to get about 3 surplus gearmotors (each with 
> different RPM). Mount the gearmotors on the floor or ceiling or a wall of the 
> room. Each gearmotor turns a reflective "paddle". As the paddles rotate, the 
> pattern shifts about the room.
> 
> I did a room (12' high by 36' long by 24' wide) where I used one 4'x 8' 
> (firring strips with aluminum foil) paddle turning about 6 RPM, one 12" x 18" 
> (sheet aluminum) paddle turning about 40 RPM, and one 12" x 18" (sheet 
> aluminum with the corners bent at odd angles) turning about 60 RPM. During 
> immunity testing, I was able to see peak-to-null ratios of about 40 dB in the 
> field strength above 1 GHz.
> 
> The big problems with the reverberant testing method is time and frequency. 
> You really should wait a few minutes at each test frequency to be sure that 
> all rotational combinations have been cycled through. This really slows a 
> frequency sweep. You usually have to reach some compromise between sweep 
> speed and certainty of peak detection. And, the technique becomes less 
> capable as frequency drops. In practical size enclosures, I don't think you 
> will get much effect below maybe 200 MHz.
> 
> For emission testing, I still have some problem grasping the concept of how 
> you relate observed emissions to a specific antenna-to-EUT separation 
> distance.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Ed
> 
> 
> 
>   From: "Aschenberg, Mat" 
>   Subject: Reverberating chambers and screen rooms
>   Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:36:50 -0600 
>   To: 'emc-pstc' 
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> 
> > I was wondering how feasible it is to convert a screen room into a
> > reverberating chamber? 
> > How useful are reverberating chambers in measuring radiated emissions?
> > Mat
> > 
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Re: Reverberating chambers and screen rooms

1999-05-01 Thread ed . price
Mat:

Every shielded enclosure starts out as a reverberant chamber. You then pay big 
bucks to coat those reflective surfaces with foam or ferrite treatments that 
reduce the reflections.

But you want to shift the three-dimensional peaks and nulls around the volume 
of the chamber. To do this, you have to vary the reflective pattern within the 
room. The easiest way is to get about 3 surplus gearmotors (each with different 
RPM). Mount the gearmotors on the floor or ceiling or a wall of the room. Each 
gearmotor turns a reflective "paddle". As the paddles rotate, the pattern 
shifts about the room.

I did a room (12' high by 36' long by 24' wide) where I used one 4'x 8' 
(firring strips with aluminum foil) paddle turning about 6 RPM, one 12" x 18" 
(sheet aluminum) paddle turning about 40 RPM, and one 12" x 18" (sheet aluminum 
with the corners bent at odd angles) turning about 60 RPM. During immunity 
testing, I was able to see peak-to-null ratios of about 40 dB in the field 
strength above 1 GHz.

The big problems with the reverberant testing method is time and frequency. You 
really should wait a few minutes at each test frequency to be sure that all 
rotational combinations have been cycled through. This really slows a frequency 
sweep. You usually have to reach some compromise between sweep speed and 
certainty of peak detection. And, the technique becomes less capable as 
frequency drops. In practical size enclosures, I don't think you will get much 
effect below maybe 200 MHz.

For emission testing, I still have some problem grasping the concept of how you 
relate observed emissions to a specific antenna-to-EUT separation distance.

Regards,

Ed


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  From: "Aschenberg, Mat" 
  Subject: Reverberating chambers and screen rooms
  Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:36:50 -0600 
  To: 'emc-pstc' 


> I was wondering how feasible it is to convert a screen room into a
> reverberating chamber? 
> How useful are reverberating chambers in measuring radiated emissions?
> Mat
> 
> Mathew Aschenberg 
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Reverberating chambers and screen rooms

1999-04-30 Thread Aschenberg, Mat
I was wondering how feasible it is to convert a screen room into a
reverberating chamber? 
How useful are reverberating chambers in measuring radiated emissions?
Mat

Mathew Aschenberg   


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