Re: [Emc-users] changes to the hostmot2 driver in CVS TRUNK

[Sebastian Kuzminsky]

Terry wrote:
> Is there going to be problems if I dont do this?
> Is there an advantage other than selectable firmware?
> I dont want to go poking around in places I dont know
> what I am doing.I have a 5i20 board so I assume this
> would be something that(hostmot2) I am using.

EMC2 has several drivers that can control the 5i20 board.  This change only 
affects users who are controlling their 5i20 (or 7i43) with the hostmot2 driver.

If you're not sure if you're using hostmot2, you're probably not (like Chris 
Morley said).  You can find out for sure by starting emc2 and running "show pin 
hm2" in halcmd.  If no pins are listed in the output, you're not running 
hostmot2 and you can ignore the change.


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Re: [Emc-users] changes to the hostmot2 driver in CVS TRUNK

[Chris Morley]

Terry

Unless you set a config up to use hostmot2 then you are using hostmot4 and 
there will be no problem.

Chris Morley

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> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:31:42 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] changes to the hostmot2 driver in CVS TRUNK
> 
> Is there going to be problems if I dont do this?
> Is there an advantage other than selectable firmware?
> I dont want to go poking around in places I dont know
> what I am doing.I have a 5i20 board so I assume this
> would be something that(hostmot2) I am using.
> 
> 


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Re: [Emc-users] changes to the hostmot2 driver in CVS TRUNK

[Terry]

Is there going to be problems if I dont do this?
Is there an advantage other than selectable firmware?
I dont want to go poking around in places I dont know
what I am doing.I have a 5i20 board so I assume this
would be something that(hostmot2) I am using.


Terry

On Mon Aug  4  0:54 , Sebastian Kuzminsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent:

>This message affects users of the hostmot2 driver only, all others can hit
Delete now.
>
>I just committed a large change to the hostmot2 driver in CVS TRUNK that 
>changes
how firmware loading is done.  Instead of loading the firmware using bfload
before loading the device driver, the driver now handles firmware loading 
itself:
it fetches the specified firmware from userspace using udev and programs the
FPGA.  The "config" modparam was extended to let the user specify which firmware
they want.
>
>
>Users who install emc2 using the Debian package will find the firmware files in
/lib/firmware/hm2//.
>
>Users who use Run-In-Place must symlink the hostmot2 firmware directory of 
>their
sandbox(es) into /lib/firmware before this will work:
>
>   sudo ln -s $HOME/emc2-sandbox/src/hal/drivers/mesa-hostmot2/firmware
/lib/firmware/hm2
>
>Replace "emc2-sandbox" in the link target with the actual name of the directory
containing your CVS checkout.  If you want to have access to the firmwares from
multiple sandboxes, replace "hm2" in the link name with the sandbox names.
>
>
>To tell the driver which firmware file to load on a specific board, add
something like "firmware=hm2/5i20/SVST8_4.BIT" to the board's config string.
>
>
>This is all described in the "config modparam" section of the hostmot2(9)
manpage, here:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man9/hostmot2.9.html#config%20modparam>
>
>
>Sorry for the disruption, i think it's for the best in the long run.
>
>
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Re: [Emc-users] PLC programing

[Ray Henry]

On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 13:58 -0700, Kirk Wallace wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 14:54 -0500, Ray Henry wrote:
> 
> > I'm curious though why you would not want to run ladder?  It has obvious
> > advantages.
> > 
> > Ray
> 
> Only if you know ladder and are tied to it somehow. I think writing
> components in C is much more direct. I have very limited experience with
> ladder (and C actually), which I believe is much more prevalent in
> larger or more complex machines, but I wonder if that is still true with
> today's machines? Anyone have a brand new Haas or Mori Seiki I can take
> apart?

There are a few advantages to our ladder programming system.  The first
is that it mimics contacts, timers, counters, and coils and shows their
status is a fairly easily readable display.  A PLC based logical system
also applies a predictable environment.  It reads all the input signals
(sense) then applies all of the logic to that state (model) and then
sets the computed state of all of the outputs (act) at the same time.

Now you can do that with a C program but you are not constrained to do
so.  As the model part of a hand written system becomes more complex it
is more and more likely you will have unintended consequences for some
action you took just a few lines up in the code.  It's possible to
create a race condition with PLC systems but it is less likely and
rather easy to see happening in the display.

And as a added benefit you need not shut down the machine to develop
test and edit your machine logic.  I'd push the estop button before I
pressed ladder edit rung but if you've written the estop feed to the
ladder loop correctly it should assert an estop whenever you edit the
logic.

And for a more recent machine tool, you would not need to take them
apart, simply press the maintenance button and look for ladder.  Or
easier yet, look for the machine logic in the manuals.

HTH

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Re: [Emc-users] PLC programing

[Kirk Wallace]

On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 14:54 -0500, Ray Henry wrote:

> I'm curious though why you would not want to run ladder?  It has obvious
> advantages.
> 
> Ray

Only if you know ladder and are tied to it somehow. I think writing
components in C is much more direct. I have very limited experience with
ladder (and C actually), which I believe is much more prevalent in
larger or more complex machines, but I wonder if that is still true with
today's machines? Anyone have a brand new Haas or Mori Seiki I can take
apart?

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Re: [Emc-users] European EMC-fest

[Alex Joni]

I'd also be happy to attend ..

Regards,
Alex

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From: "aaron Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" 
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] European EMC-fest


> Hi
> I would be be more than happy to attend and learn, but have little to 
> offer
> in return.
> Aaron
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Sven Wesley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" 
>> Subject: [Emc-users] European EMC-fest
>> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 10:46:05 +0200
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> A while back I promised to investigate how a European EMC-fest/meeting
> could
>> be arranged. I have some ideas and suggestions, but it would be great to
>> have as many influences as possible and that means from all of you!
> Please
>> throw in your ideas or suggestions!
>>
>> Possible location?
>> Is there a machine to CNC-ify or retrofit?
>> Topics for classes?
>> Possible teachers or do you have something to present?
>> Experiences from other EMC-gatherings?
>>
>> It's brainstorm time!
>>
>> --Sven


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Re: [Emc-users] Hardy install using emc2-install.sh

[Emory Smith]

Maybe try 'sudo apt-get update' before the install script.

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Re: [Emc-users] PLC programing

[Ray Henry]

Juanjo

You could hard code your logic into a Comp module using a language and
environment quite similar to C.  You can read about it in the Integrator
Manual.  It's chapter 11 in the released version.

I'm curious though why you would not want to run ladder?  It has obvious
advantages.

Ray





On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 16:32 -0300, juanjo wrote:
> Hello guys!!
> 
> i looking in the the new features of the Classic Ladder, and really
> the new ones added are a big step in the scalability of the I/O.
> in special the Modbus.
> I sent my congratulations to the Programmer!!.
> 
> Well the questios is is a way to program the I/O without using Ladder
> for example in "C" and we can still comunicate with the enviorement of the
> EMC like the ClassicLadder doing?
> 
> thanks
> 
> 
> Juanjo


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[Emc-users] PLC programing

[juanjo]

Hello guys!!

i looking in the the new features of the Classic Ladder, and really
the new ones added are a big step in the scalability of the I/O.
in special the Modbus.
I sent my congratulations to the Programmer!!.

Well the questios is is a way to program the I/O without using Ladder
for example in "C" and we can still comunicate with the enviorement of the
EMC like the ClassicLadder doing?

thanks


Juanjo


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Re: [Emc-users] Basic Installation and Configuration Tutorial, Final Draft

[Organic Engines]

 >I agree - and then they blame the software - thus is the point of the 
 >tutorial - a hopefully knock on wood, cross my fingers, nearly 
 >foolproof way to get them started so they see what they were missing 
 >and increase the number of converts (insert sinister Mr. Burns finger 
 >motion here).

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Re: [Emc-users] Hal File to Diagram

[John Kasunich]

Kirk Wallace wrote:
> I tried the eagle2hal setup in the wiki:
> 
> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Eagle2HAL
> 
> and it looks like it would pretty handy, but is not quite ready for
> prime time, especially if you are not a regular Eagle user.
> 
> It would be nice to have a way to diagram existing HAL files. Is there a
> plan to have a hal2eagle utility? Is there another method or
> application, like Inkscape, that would be easier to develop and use in
> the long run? If so, it would be nice to have the diagramming
> application be able to stand on its own, so it could be run on any
> (Linux) PC. I'm trying to get an idea of where more effort could be most
> effectively placed. Thanks.
> 

The problem with any HAL to schematic (or netlist to schematic) program 
is that it will most likely generate hideous schematics.  When a circuit 
designer draws a schematic, he knows what the circuit does.  He lays out 
the circuit on the page to clearly convey that information.

A program that is reading a circuit netlist or a HAL file has no idea 
what the circuit does, so all it can do is plop things down at random 
and draw lines between them.  The result might be easier to understand 
than the original file, but I wouldn't count on it.  It will almost 
certainly need radically rearranged to make it clear and easy to understand.

Regards,

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[Emc-users] Hal File to Diagram

[Kirk Wallace]

I tried the eagle2hal setup in the wiki:

http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Eagle2HAL

and it looks like it would pretty handy, but is not quite ready for
prime time, especially if you are not a regular Eagle user.

It would be nice to have a way to diagram existing HAL files. Is there a
plan to have a hal2eagle utility? Is there another method or
application, like Inkscape, that would be easier to develop and use in
the long run? If so, it would be nice to have the diagramming
application be able to stand on its own, so it could be run on any
(Linux) PC. I'm trying to get an idea of where more effort could be most
effectively placed. Thanks.

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[Emc-users] Hardy install using emc2-install.sh

[Andy Downard]

Hello,

I am trying to install EMC2 using the emc2-install.sh commands.  It wasn't
working properly, so I put it in the terminal line by line to figure out where
it was going wrong.  In the final line, I typed

sudo apt-get install emc2

and the response was

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree   
Reading state information... Done
Package emc2 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source
However the following packages replace it:
  emc2
E: Package emc2 has no installation candidate

Might you know what I am doing wrong?

Thanks,

Andy


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Re: [Emc-users] European EMC-fest

[aaron Moore]

Hi
I would be be more than happy to attend and learn, but have little to offer 
in return.
Aaron  
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sven Wesley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" 
> Subject: [Emc-users] European EMC-fest
> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 10:46:05 +0200
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> A while back I promised to investigate how a European EMC-fest/meeting 
could
> be arranged. I have some ideas and suggestions, but it would be great to
> have as many influences as possible and that means from all of you! 
Please
> throw in your ideas or suggestions!
> 
> Possible location?
> Is there a machine to CNC-ify or retrofit?
> Topics for classes?
> Possible teachers or do you have something to present?
> Experiences from other EMC-gatherings?
> 
> It's brainstorm time!
> 
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Re: [Emc-users] Basic Installation and Configuration Tutorial Final Draft

[Greg Michalski]

> Don't mean to turn your how-to into an Ubuntu guide but reading the fine 
> manual
> is a basic thing many users skip over.  

I agree - and then they blame the software - thus is the point of the tutorial 
- a hopefully knock on wood, cross my fingers, nearly foolproof way to get them 
started so they see what they were missing and increase the number of converts 
(insert sinister Mr. Burns finger motion here).  

I'll add a comment about reading the help files - Hardy is 8.04 right?  I'll 
locate the 6.06 version help files link off my install(s) for people to have 
that info handy.  It'll be a simple addition.  Thanks for the suggestion.  PPoE 
was one of the complaints I had when they started DSL - now the modems they are 
replacing the worn out ones with (well at SBC at least - my office has a DSL 
connection) has the PPoE setup built in so it acts just like a cable modem or 
router.  I won't digress into all my other issues between the two. :)  I know 
for some (like my office it's either the best choice, only choice or only cost 
effective choice (the office got a 53k quote to extend lines to the building + 
business rates of 75% over for the same service I get at home - and still a 
dynamic IP not static).

Thanks for the feedback - the PDF version is looking rather nice right now.

Greg
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  Subject: Re: [Emc-users]Basic Installation and Configuration Tutorial Final 
Draft


  >

  One thing worth mentioning to people unfamilar with Ubuntu is the help files 
are
  a must read. On Hardy these are accessed by clicking the question mark on the
  top bar. For example it explains how to enable a ADSL pppoe connection.  The
  network assistant is next to useless for this type of connection which might
  confuse some users.

  Don't mean to turn your how-to into an Ubuntu guide but reading the fine 
manual
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Re: [Emc-users] Basic Installation and Configuration Tutori al Final Draft

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>

One thing worth mentioning to people unfamilar with Ubuntu is the help files are
a must read. On Hardy these are accessed by clicking the question mark on the
top bar. For example it explains how to enable a ADSL pppoe connection.  The
network assistant is next to useless for this type of connection which might
confuse some users.

Don't mean to turn your how-to into an Ubuntu guide but reading the fine manual
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Re: [Emc-users] European EMC-fest

[Sebastian Kuzminsky]

Sven Wesley wrote:
> A while back I promised to investigate how a European EMC-fest/meeting could
> be arranged. I have some ideas and suggestions, but it would be great to
> have as many influences as possible and that means from all of you! Please
> throw in your ideas or suggestions!
> 
> Possible location?
> Is there a machine to CNC-ify or retrofit?
> Topics for classes?
> Possible teachers or do you have something to present?
> Experiences from other EMC-gatherings?
> 
> It's brainstorm time!

I live in the US but i'll be in Berlin the week of October 13 for the CCSDS.  
If the EMC Fest is nearby and at a time when I can slip away from the 
conference I'd like to try to go.  I can't bring any equipment but I could give 
an introductory talk on HAL and RTAI drivers.


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Re: [Emc-users] European EMC-fest

[Dave Caroline]

Im game if its in England, if midland Ill bring my cnc

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[Emc-users] Basic Installation and Configuration Tutorial Final Draft

[Greg Michalski]

http://www.distinctperspectives.com/emc2installsetup/

Ok, this covered everyone;s comments exceopt I didn't make the PDF yet - I'll 
do that tomorrow once this gets "rubber stamped"  I think it's pretty 
comprehensivel  Enjoy and once the PDF is made I'll put a link up on the 
homepage, link it to the wiki and mke the page live.  Thnks again for the input.

Greg
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[Emc-users] European EMC-fest

[Sven Wesley]

Hi all,

A while back I promised to investigate how a European EMC-fest/meeting could
be arranged. I have some ideas and suggestions, but it would be great to
have as many influences as possible and that means from all of you! Please
throw in your ideas or suggestions!

Possible location?
Is there a machine to CNC-ify or retrofit?
Topics for classes?
Possible teachers or do you have something to present?
Experiences from other EMC-gatherings?

It's brainstorm time!

--Sven
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