Re: [Emc-users] CNC machining setup cards

[gene heskett]

On 7/11/23 18:36, andy pugh wrote:

On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 at 23:13, gene heskett  wrote:


I also have a problem with the $1000 limit, even if my total intake in
the last 2 decades is under 50 bucks for stuff I've done for OP.  With
today's prices, 10 G's would be a limit I might tolerate, but really, I
have no intentions of putting up a shingle.  That shop is my play toy,
not ever to be a slave to someone else's wishes.


I think you are missing the point. Fusion is free to use until and if
you are using it to make a profit, and only if that profit is
significant.

You fall very much into the free-use demographic.

And, it's not like they check anyway.

That would take a court order, for records I've never kept. Profit has 
never exceeded the costs.  Besides, I'll bet real money that OpenSCAD is 
easier to learn. I do use OpenSCAD for 3d printed stuff, there its ideal.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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Re: [Emc-users] CNC machining setup cards

[John Dammeyer]

> -Original Message-
> From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com]
> On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 at 23:13, gene heskett  wrote:
> 
> > I also have a problem with the $1000 limit, even if my total intake in
> I think you are missing the point. Fusion is free to use until and if
> you are using it to make a profit, and only if that profit is
> significant.
> 
> You fall very much into the free-use demographic.
> 
> And, it's not like they check anyway.
> 
And the cost of the bait is very low compared to the number of fish they are 
catching with it.  Once you have several years of drawings (all essentially 
free) throwing an upgrade that now costs on ly a tiny bit, hardly anything,  
but "Will enhance your user experience!"  is in the works.

John



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Re: [Emc-users] CNC machining setup cards

[andy pugh]

On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 at 23:13, gene heskett  wrote:

> I also have a problem with the $1000 limit, even if my total intake in
> the last 2 decades is under 50 bucks for stuff I've done for OP.  With
> today's prices, 10 G's would be a limit I might tolerate, but really, I
> have no intentions of putting up a shingle.  That shop is my play toy,
> not ever to be a slave to someone else's wishes.

I think you are missing the point. Fusion is free to use until and if
you are using it to make a profit, and only if that profit is
significant.

You fall very much into the free-use demographic.

And, it's not like they check anyway.

-- 
atp
"A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is
designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
lunatics."
— George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912


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Re: [Emc-users] CNC machining setup cards

[gene heskett]

On 7/11/23 09:31, Matthew Herd wrote:

At one time, Fusion360's hobby user license limited rapids to the max feed
speed, but that may have changed.  The biggest issue I discovered was the
one tool per program limitation.  Even with a manual tool change, I prefer
to have one program per setup rather than multiple programs.


That is a limitatiom I can't live with. The mst tool complex thing I 
wrote was the 4 tool thing that I setup as stations on the mills 
table.But I've never had the luxury of a toolholder system that made a 
properly configured tooltable a reality. So as it changes tools, I also 
measure for tlo after the tool change, and once fine tuned, tha tworked 
quit well. I chose a taller part of one on the jigs and put a piece of 
double sided pcb material connected to the probe input, made sure the 
tool turning slowly backwards for less wear on the pcb's copper had a 
good ground as it approached the pcb, probed for the pcb, grabbing the Z 
data from that, and calculated the z offet to apply to the next 
operation.  Once fine tuned, I made about 150 of the brass tap hats for 
every tap small enough I could turn it in my souped up g0704. I have a 
psu that can hit that 1hp rated motor for nearly 4hp surge.


I also have a problem with the $1000 limit, even if my total intake in 
the last 2 decades is under 50 bucks for stuff I've done for OP.  With 
today's prices, 10 G's would be a limit I might tolerate, but really, I 
have no intentions of putting up a shingle.  That shop is my play toy, 
not ever to be a slave to someone else's wishes. At the instant, I've 
enough resources I don't have to make an income from it.


That, at 88 yo, seems to be the ideal situation.


On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 8:55 AM andy pugh  wrote:


On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 at 20:11, Dave Matthews  wrote:


Fusion 360 is still free for personal use.  The limit is $1000 in sales.
The do defeature some parts like rapids in tool paths.


I have read that, but the G-code it produces for me still contains G0
moves.

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atp
"A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is
designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
lunatics."
— George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912


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Re: [Emc-users] Installing From Debian?

[Todd Zuercher]

Here is a link to the instructions of how to correct a borked Debian 12 
installation from one of the live amd64 ISOs.
https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=155245

You need to perform 3 command line commands (with root or sudo privileges.)
# rm 
/etc/{initramfs/post-update.d/,kernel/{postinst.d/,postrm.d/}}z50-raspi-firmware
# apt purge raspi-firmware
# rm -rf /boot/firmware

I tested this and it does seem to get things working correctly again.  And then 
I could install the real-time or other kernels without issue.

Todd Zuercher
P. Graham Dunn Inc.
630 Henry Street
Dalton, Ohio 44618
Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031

-Original Message-
From: Todd Zuercher 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 4:21 PM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Installing From Debian?

[EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe.

Karl,

Have you tried installing Debian using one of the Bookworm live ISOs?  I have, 
and the Mate version I downloaded on 3/30/2023 is definitely borked.  I don't 
remember and didn't take notes of the actual details of the problems.  (and 
I've since wiped that install.)  It would run live fine, install and run fine, 
install new software from the repos fine, but could not install a new kernel 
via apt-get or Synaptic (same thing really).  I didn't' bother putting much 
effort into finding or fixing the problem.

I have it installing again on a spare old harddrive to check out exactly what 
the problems were.

The system I installed on was an older Lenovo desktop with an i5 (not sure the 
exact model.)  I don't have a rbpi or any other arm devices.

Todd Zuercher
P. Graham Dunn Inc.
630 Henry Street
Dalton, Ohio 44618
Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031

-Original Message-
From: Karl Schmidt 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 2:39 PM
To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
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@Todd -

Not likely a Debian problem - I would have to see his /etc/apt/sources.list to 
know what is going on.

To upgrade you also need something like this in /etc/apt.conf.d/local

APT::Default-Release "/^bookworm(|-security|-updates)$/";

He says this is on an old MacBook (A1278) - that is supposed to be a core-i5 - 
thus amd64.

I don't think the 'Raspberry Pi Desktop' is part of Debian - so his 
sources.list is probably wacked.

Other things to look at:
# cat /etc/issue
# uname -a


 From a normal Debian system with these lines in sources.list:
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ bookworm  main contrib non-free deb 
http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bookworm main contrib non-free non-free-firmware 
deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security main contrib 
non-free non-free-firmware deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bookworm-updates 
main contrib non-free non-free-firmware

# wajig listall linuxcnc
linuxcnc-doc-de   motion controller for CNC machines and robots (German 
documentation)
linuxcnc-doc-en   motion controller for CNC machines and robots 
(English documentation)
linuxcnc-doc-es   controlador de movimiento para máquinas CNC y robots 
(Español).
linuxcnc-doc-fr   motion controller for CNC machines and robots (French 
documentation)
linuxcnc-doc-zh-cnmotion controller for CNC machines and robots (Chinese
linuxcnc-uspace   motion controller for CNC machines and robots
linuxcnc-uspace-dev   PC based motion controller for real-time Linux

The only drawback to running a pure Debian system is it 'tends to be VERY 
conservative' - so the big advantage of running pure Debian is it 'tends to be 
VERY conservative' - something I want for running machine-control or public 
facing systems.

I really want to praise the guys that did all the heavy lifting to get linuxcnc 
into Debian - not a small task - (the software has to survive all sorts of 
probes by the "Lintian" a comprehensive package checker - Debian Policy 
violations and violations of various sub-policies, best practices, common 
mistakes, and problems that maintainers like to catch before uploads. )

I'm sure the code will be picked up by the manny distributions that feed off of 
Debian. The more eyes on the code - the more users - the more polished it 
becomes.




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Data mining fools the miner first.
Bayesian thinking is not a human trait.
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Re: [Emc-users] CNC machining setup cards

[Matthew Herd]

At one time, Fusion360's hobby user license limited rapids to the max feed
speed, but that may have changed.  The biggest issue I discovered was the
one tool per program limitation.  Even with a manual tool change, I prefer
to have one program per setup rather than multiple programs.

On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 8:55 AM andy pugh  wrote:

> On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 at 20:11, Dave Matthews  wrote:
> >
> > Fusion 360 is still free for personal use.  The limit is $1000 in sales.
> > The do defeature some parts like rapids in tool paths.
>
> I have read that, but the G-code it produces for me still contains G0
> moves.
>
> --
> atp
> "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is
> designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
> lunatics."
> — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Installing From Debian?

[Todd Zuercher]

Here is a link to the forum thread that pointed me to using the net install to 
avoid the bug in the live iso.
https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=154857
This is definitely a Debian bug (nothing to do with Linuxcnc.)

It looks like I need to create a user account to add my voice to the complaints 
to fix this bug.

Todd Zuercher
P. Graham Dunn Inc.
630 Henry Street
Dalton, Ohio 44618
Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031

-Original Message-
From: Todd Zuercher 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 5:10 PM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Installing From Debian?

[EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe.

I just tried to install the real time kernel on a fresh install from the " 
debian-live-12.0.0-amd64-mate.iso".
I don't have time to dig up error logs... right now.  (Trying to wrap stuff up 
before heading out on vacation for the 2nd half of the week.) No idea why 
"raspi-firmware: missing" would be mentioned in the error list below.  Maybe 
that has something to do with the problem, but this machine and installation 
has nothing to do with a Raspberrypi.  Again this is a pure clean installation 
from the Debian live iso, then the first and only thing I did after installing 
was open Synaptic check the box to install the "linux-image-rt-amd64" meta 
package, then let Synaptic do it's thing.

Error Message from Synaptic:
E: linux-image-6.1.0-10-amd64: installed linux-image-6.1.0-10-amd64 package 
post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1
E: linux-image-6.1.0-10-rt-amd64: installed linux-image-6.1.0-10-rt-amd64 
package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1
E: linux-image-rt-amd64: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
E: linux-image-amd64: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured

Repositories List:
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bookworm main deb-src 
http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bookworm main deb 
http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security main deb-src 
http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security main # 
bookworm-updates, to get updates before a point release is made; # see 
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_updates_and_backports
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bookworm-updates main deb-src 
http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bookworm-updates main


Everything from the Changes Aplied, Details window:
(Reading database ... 286299 files and directories currently installed.) 
Preparing to unpack .../00-libcpupower1_6.1.37-1_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking libcpupower1 (6.1.37-1) over (6.1.27-1) ...
Preparing to unpack .../01-linux-compiler-gcc-12-x86_6.1.37-1_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking linux-compiler-gcc-12-x86 (6.1.37-1) over (6.1.27-1) ...
Selecting previously unselected package linux-headers-6.1.0-10-common.
Preparing to unpack .../02-linux-headers-6.1.0-10-common_6.1.37-1_all.deb ...
Unpacking linux-headers-6.1.0-10-common (6.1.37-1) ...
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Unpacking linux-kbuild-6.1 (6.1.37-1) over (6.1.27-1) ...
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Setting up linux-libc-dev:amd64 (6.1.37-1) ...
Setting up linux-image-6.1.0-10-amd64 (6.1.37-1) ...
I: /vmlinuz.old is now a symlink to boot/vmlinuz-6.1.0-9-amd64
I: /initrd.img.old is now a symlink to boot/initrd.img-6.1.0-9-amd64
I: /vmlinuz is now a symlink to boot/vmlinuz-6.1.0-10-amd64
I: /initrd.img is now a symlink to boot/initrd.img-6.1.0-10-amd64
/etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms:
dkms: running auto installation service for kernel 6.1.0-10-amd64.
dkms: autoinstall for kernel: 6.1.0-10-amd64.
/etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools:
update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-6.1.0-10-amd64
raspi-firmware: missing /boot/firmware, did you forget to mount it?
run-parts: /etc/initramfs/post-update.d//z50-raspi-firmware exited with return 
code 1
run-parts: 

Re: [Emc-users] CNC machining setup cards

[andy pugh]

On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 at 20:11, Dave Matthews  wrote:
>
> Fusion 360 is still free for personal use.  The limit is $1000 in sales.
> The do defeature some parts like rapids in tool paths.

I have read that, but the G-code it produces for me still contains G0 moves.

-- 
atp
"A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is
designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
lunatics."
— George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912


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